Is God All-knowing?

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Dino246

Dino246

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Fahad said:
For people who says The Messiah was to save people from sin and quote that verse, It can also that saving people from sin by stopping people from sin. Not that literally dying to save.
Why would God die to remove the sin of mankind?
I mean, if sacrifice is important for forgiveness, we can sacrifice some sheep, goat or cow, or hen sth like that?
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Hebrews 10:4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

That's why we don't sacrifice animals. That, and the fact that Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient:

"so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him." (Hebrews 9:28)
"And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:10; emphasis added)
 
posthuman

posthuman

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posthuman said:
you don't know what you're talking about.

read verse 12 -- blessed are those who put their trust in David?

read Psalm 118:8, Psalm 146:3. whoever trusts in a man is an idiot.
in fact, read Jeremiah 17:5 -- if you trust in a man, you are cursed. and that includes trusting in yourself.
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@Fahad but you're just diverting by showing that you can't see what is being said in Psalm 2: Christ has a name which no one knows but Himself. how could it be that God, who sees and knows all things, from whom nothing is hidden, does not know this name?

you wanted me to do your research for you, here: Hebrews 4:13, God is omniscient. Surah Hud:5, Allah knows all things. and there are many more.

so how could it be that Jesus knows something that God does not? impossible. there is only one conclusion, Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, crucified, risen from the dead, and ascended to heaven, to return again & judge the quick & the dead.
you have a choice: truth or lies. believe, or perish.

Jesus says no one but God is good. if He is good, He is God. He is God, or He is a liar.
Al-Baqarah 2:136 - your Koran instructs you to submit to Isa because the Truth is entrusted to Him. you are to say 'peace be upon Him' when you breathe His name. you are to believe Him.

why do you call Him good?
you have a choice: believe or perish. accept the truth, or exchange it for a lie.
 
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Fahad

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posthuman said:
@Fahad but you're just diverting by showing that you can't see what is being said in Psalm 2: Christ has a name which no one knows but Himself. how could it be that God, who sees and knows all things, from whom nothing is hidden, does not know this name?

you wanted me to do your research for you, here: Hebrews 4:13, God is omniscient. Surah Hud:5, Allah knows all things. and there are many more.

so how could it be that Jesus knows something that God does not? impossible. there is only one conclusion, Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, crucified, risen from the dead, and ascended to heaven, to return again & judge the quick & the dead.
you have a choice: truth or lies. believe, or perish.

Jesus says no one but God is good. if He is good, He is God. He is God, or He is a liar.
Al-Baqarah 2:136 - your Koran instructs you to submit to Isa because the Truth is entrusted to Him. you are to say 'peace be upon Him' when you breathe His name. you are to believe Him.

why do you call Him good?
you have a choice: believe or perish. accept the truth, or exchange it for a lie.
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Don't use verses of Quran, Quranic Argument will not let you breath if you went there. And next, don't nitpick Quran, Quran also says Jesus is not crucified, and it also says Jesus is not the Son of God and it is the worst thing Christians have done.
 
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Fahad said:
Don't use verses of Quran, Quranic Argument will not let you breath if you went there. And next, don't nitpick Quran, Quran also says Jesus is not crucified, and it also says Jesus is not the Son of God and it is the worst thing Christians have done.
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So what exactly are you looking for or what are you disputing?
If you believe the bible is corrupted then your question from the same corrupted bible will not be of any help but if you believe the bible is as was revealed, then we can discuss, perhaps the deity of Christ.
 
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Prognostic said:
What do you mean? You're talking about something completely different. You're jumping from one thing to the next. I never said conflicts are a mystery. All I said was that we don't know and that's just the mystery of it all. If God is truth, it should prove to you He is? Does that even make sense? Something being true doesn't mean that you automatically get to see it for what it is. How is God conflicting? And when does He say mystery? What can you do? It's the same for everyone. Nobody has all the answers. All you can do is embrace the mystery of life. That's all you can do while you seek for truth and answers and wisdom. That's all anyone of us can do.

Try this: Sit back and just be still (just try it for like 5 minutes). Know that I am God. Know that you don't have all the answers and never will. Just relax chill out and embrace the mystery! It's all for you!
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What I meant is that, when Christians are asked something conflicting, they reply it is a mystery. They use it to avoid answer. Cause they know, there is no answer.
 
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Noose said:
The greatest (perfect) love of all is laying your life for others and God is perfect.
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My mother is greater than your father, she forgave me without asking for sacrifice.
 
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Noose said:
So what exactly are you looking for or what are you disputing?
If you believe the bible is corrupted then your question from the same corrupted bible will not be of any help but if you believe the bible is as was revealed, then we can discuss, perhaps the deity of Christ.
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When I am talking and discussing with you, I accept as if it is not changed, but the so many contradictions makes it clear that it is changed. Or corrupted ofc.
 
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Fahad said:
My mother is greater than your father, she forgave me without asking for sacrifice.
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The greatest love of all is dying for others, your mother did not die for anyone.
 
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Fahad said:
When I am talking and discussing with you, I accept as if it is not changed, but the so many contradictions makes it clear that it is changed. Or corrupted ofc.
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Your thoughts are inherently contradicting, you believe it is corrupted but you also want to discuss as if it was not corrupted- you can not have both.
As for me, the bible is just fine, it was revealed by God.
 
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posthuman said:
@Fahad but you're just diverting by showing that you can't see what is being said in Psalm 2: Christ has a name which no one knows but Himself. how could it be that God, who sees and knows all things, from whom nothing is hidden, does not know this name?

you wanted me to do your research for you, here: Hebrews 4:13, God is omniscient. Surah Hud:5, Allah knows all things. and there are many more.

so how could it be that Jesus knows something that God does not? impossible. there is only one conclusion, Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, crucified, risen from the dead, and ascended to heaven, to return again & judge the quick & the dead.
you have a choice: truth or lies. believe, or perish.

Jesus says no one but God is good. if He is good, He is God. He is God, or He is a liar.
Al-Baqarah 2:136 - your Koran instructs you to submit to Isa because the Truth is entrusted to Him. you are to say 'peace be upon Him' when you breathe His name. you are to believe Him.

why do you call Him good?
you have a choice: believe or perish. accept the truth, or exchange it for a lie.
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2:136, Quran, Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
 
Dino246

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Fahad said:
Don't use verses of Quran, Quranic Argument will not let you breath if you went there. And next, don't nitpick Quran, Quran also says Jesus is not crucified, and it also says Jesus is not the Son of God and it is the worst thing Christians have done.
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Now you're a comedian.

You think that you can criticize our holy book, but your holy book is beyond reproach? Get your head out of the sand. If your book can't stand up under critical examination, it isn't worth anything.
 
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Fahad

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Noose said:
Your thoughts are inherently contradicting, you believe it is corrupted but you also want to discuss as if it was not corrupted- you can not have both.
As for me, the bible is just fine, it was revealed by God.
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ok, let's take your side, let's take it as truth, then you have to clear the contradictions within bible
 
posthuman

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Fahad said:
Don't use verses of Quran
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lol make up your mind

Fahad said:
I am sorry, but without taking context into consideration, can't say anything. For that quote me both, Bible and Quran.
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A double minded man is unstable in all his ways
(James 1:8)​
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you are not brought here because you are to teach us.
you are brought here because you need help, buddy ;)
 
posthuman

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Fahad said:
2:136, Quran, Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
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submit to Him then.

do you call Him good?

why do you call Him good?
 
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Fahad said:
ok, let's take your side, let's take it as truth, then you have to clear the contradictions within bible
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If you take my side then be willing to take my understanding also which i think will not get us anywhere.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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Fahad said:
ok, let's take your side, let's take it as truth, then you have to clear the contradictions within bible
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already done.

you are here to be shown who Jesus Christ really is.
either so that you may believe, or to be evidence against you when you stand before Him on the last day to be judged.

why do you call Him good?
 
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