Is faith a work?

[FreeGrace2]

You may tell people Christ died for His Sheep Jn 10, or His Church Eph 5:25 but for every single individual, you or myself have no right to tell anyone that.

Frankly, you have no right to say this to anyone. You ain't the boss, and you ain't the authority.

I will tell anyone and everyone what the Bible says. Christ died for them. I've given you the verses in post 451, but you just dig your heels in and resist the truth.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes believing is a work, now its either mans work, or Gods work of regenerating grace. Take your pick !

Anyone who trusts in the work of God is trusting in Gods work, because they are trusting in someone else. not themselves

Its only mans work if man is trusting in self..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

False.

whatever! I will go with What jesus said. He said he died for the world..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You or I havent a right to tell any individual that Christ died for them. Wonder if they be not of His Lost Sheep, and didnt die for them ? Then you lied to them and become a false witness. Now you can tell a person that Christ died for His Sheep, or even that He died for sinners, but we dont know exactly who those sinners are, but He does.

Jesus died for the world. The world is the cosmos system, it is those lost in the world. which included everyone.

He came not to judge them, but so they MIGHT be saved.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your example is bogus, since the ones who are saved, were dead , already drowned to death. They cant participate in their conversion until after they have been made alive.

lol

they are still physically alive and can still make decisions

you have people made alive IN SIN.

God would have to go against his perfect justice to do that. WHich means God himself has sinned.. and is NOT the perfect judge.

Gods love and justice work together.. In perfect love, he can provide a way

but God will not force his love on anyone.. He as soverign God can do it however he wants

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

Anyone who trusts in the work of God is trusting in Gods work, because they are trusting in someone else. not themselves

Its only mans work if man is trusting in self..

its either mans work, or Gods work of regenerating grace. Take your pick !

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

Jesus died for the world. The world is the cosmos system, it is those lost in the world. which included everyone.

He came not to judge them, but so they MIGHT be saved.

Like I said, we have no right telling anyone Christ died for them. Wonder if they not one of His Sheep? Then you lied to them

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

lol

they are still physically alive and can still make decisions

you have people made alive IN SIN.

God would have to go against his perfect justice to do that. WHich means God himself has sinned.. and is NOT the perfect judge.

Gods love and justice work together.. In perfect love, he can provide a way

but God will not force his love on anyone.. He as soverign God can do it however he wants

Being physically alive doesn't count. People are physically alive while yet being spiritually dead in sin. We can do nothing Spiritual while dead spiritually, even as one can do nothing physically if physically dead.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Being physically alive doesn't count. People are physically alive while yet being spiritually dead in sin. We can do nothing Spiritual while dead spiritually, even as one can do nothing physically if physically dead.

Believing the gospel promises is a trust issue, not a spiritual issue, as it seems you opine.

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

Believing the gospel promises is a trust issue, not a spiritual issue, as it seems you opine.

Believing the Gospel takes being Spiritually alive in order to hear spiritually Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

One must be of the Truth to hear the word of Truth Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

its either mans work, or Gods work of regenerating grace. Take your pick !

Regeneration of of the Holy Spirit.

We are talking about faith. not regeneration.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Like I said, we have no right telling anyone Christ died for them. Wonder if they not one of His Sheep? Then you lied to them

You have failed to prove your point. I have every right to tell them this, otherwise they have no basis or hope to repent and believe

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Being physically alive doesn't count. People are physically alive while yet being spiritually dead in sin. We can do nothing Spiritual while dead spiritually, even as one can do nothing physically if physically dead.

then no one can ever be saved

because UNTIL you are justified BY FAITH, you are still DEAD in your sin.

God can not go against his own character

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

Regeneration of of the Holy Spirit.

We are talking about faith. not regeneration.

Faith is the fruit of regeneration. Regeneration is Gods work. So Faith is either Gods work, or your work, take your pick. Cant be both

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

You have failed to prove your point. I have every right to tell them this, otherwise they have no basis or hope to repent and believe

You have to disprove my point. You or myself have no right to tell a person Christ died for them, wonder if they not a Sheep ? Then you lied to them

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

then no one can ever be saved

because UNTIL you are justified BY FAITH, you are still DEAD in your sin.

God can not go against his own character

With man Salvation is impossible, but with God its possible Matt 19:25-26

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Salvation starts with a resurrection from the dead, spiritually Eph 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Faith is the fruit of regeneration. Regeneration is Gods work. So Faith is either Gods work, or your work, take your pick. Cant be both

no it is not

regeneration is the fruit of being justified, which comes when a person has faith which is the work of God

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You have to disprove my point. You or myself have no right to tell a person Christ died for them, wonder if they not a Sheep ? Then you lied to them

I would not have liked to them

because he died for EVERYONE

if he did not die for them. they have no hope. and you can not tell them the gospel.. its useless..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

With man Salvation is impossible, but with God its possible Matt 19:25-26

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Salvation starts with a resurrection from the dead, spiritually Eph 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

nope

salvation start with hearing the word. and comes through faith in that word. and is finished when we are regenerated based on being justified by faith.

No one can be ressurected in sin, You have God going against his own justice.. You have God in sin himself.

 

[savedbysovereigngrace99]

no it is not

regeneration is the fruit of being justified, which comes when a person has faith which is the work of God

Yes it is. Faith is the fruit of the New Birth. Its either Gods work/fruit or mans, take your pick