Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?

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Jackson123

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Paul isn't a member of the Church teaching with authority?
I don't know what do you mean

You believe Peter have authority to teach purgatory?
If so why he never teach purgatory

Paul say not even angel have authority to teach other gospel.
No peter, not Paul or pope have authority to teach other gospel.
 

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I don't know what do you mean

You believe Peter have authority to teach purgatory?
If so why he never teach purgatory

Paul say not even angel have authority to teach other gospel.
No peter, not Paul or pope have authority to teach other gospel.
Remind me of what antichrist mean

Antichrist also mean replace Christ

Pope think he have authority to replace gospel

Purgatory replace Christ gospel

So pope is antichrist
 

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No you not prove anything.
Who is the frauds and hucksters, history prove catholic is.
In case you missed it the first time.

Yep, another fraud. Here is a Cornerstone Magazine's expose:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051202084221/http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?228

And from Christianity Today,
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Jack Chick’s Anti-Catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud

A comic book produced by a fundamentalist publisher named Jack Chick is causing an uproar among Roman Catholics. It purports to be the true story of a Jesuit priest named Alberto Rivera, who was raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, and whose job was to infiltrate and destroy Protestant churches. The comic book, titled Alberto, says the reason Protestant churches don’t speak out against Catholicism the way they should is that they are infiltrated by Jesuits.

The comic book has been so popular that Chick has published a sequel, Double Cross, which claims to be the true story of how the priest rescued his sister from a convent in England, where she was a nun, and where she was bleeding to death from flagellation and other mistreatment. The sequel also alleges that Kathryn Kuhlman was a secret agent of Rome and claims that Jim Jones, the leader of the Jonestown cult, was secretly a Jesuit.

Both magazines are saturated with anti-Catholic slurs and unsavory innuendo. The most astonishing charge is that the name of every Protestant is kept in a computer file in the Vatican, and that the Catholic church is preparing for a twentieth-century Inquisition.

The Catholic church is understandably upset. Its Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, based in Milwaukee, has asked the state attorney general’s office in California, where the magazines are published, to investigate Chick Publications for false advertising and consumer fraud. The attorney general’s office recently declined to do so.

Many Protestant bookstores carry small, comic-book-like Bible tracts published by Chick, as well as his earlier, full-size comics on Christian subjects. The Alberto magazine, however, has caused such a fuss that many bookstores have refused to sell it. To counteract that pressure. Chick published a special tract that he distributes free, in which he says Catholic propaganda teams pressure bookstore owners to remove Alberto, and that only a few “totally committed” gospel bookstores still dare to carry it.

A year ago, Alberto Rivera himself issued a sworn statement defending the allegations. He declared in part that, “Alberto is a true and actual account and I will face a court of law to prove the events actually took place.”

He may get his chance. This reporter’s investigation shows that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit. Neither, it seems, does he have a sister in England who was a nun. Rivera has been sought by police for writing bad checks in Hoboken, New Jersey, and for stealing a credit card in Florida. Those revelations taint the credibility of the fantastic stories Rivera tells in the comic books.

Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, is a native of the Canary Islands. He has traveled widely and has been associated with numerous Christian organizations and churches, including several in California. He is being sued in a Los Angeles court at the present time by a man who said that Rivera, on behalf of the Hispanic Baptist Church which he started, borrowed $2,025 with which to invest in property, but never purchased the land. When the man asked for his money back, he received a receipt acknowledging his “contribution” of $2,025. . .



Metz, G., Clapp, R., Hopkins, J. M., Shuster, W. G., & Minnery, T. (1981). Jack Chick’s Anti-catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud. Christianity Today, 25(5), 354–356.
Ccc841
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

You not aware Accusing catholic

Ccc 841 state muslim God is catholic God.
Muslim don't believe trinity At all but God that don't believe trinity is also catholic God.


The chapter Al-Ikhlas (The Unity) was revealed at Makkah. It is so named because the belief in the Unity of Allah has been purified of all kinds of shirk (polytheism) and a clear explanation of it has been given. In this chapter, too, a comprehensive elucidation of the Unity of Allah has also been provided.

Sudah all ikhlas 112

3. "He begets not, nor is He begotten.2
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
yes I am aware. Rome is correct in her confession of the Holy Trinity but wrong on her application. And I would add there are many a catholic that reject that teaching. There are whole bodies that reject modern Rome like the SSPX or the SSPV. The later I was a member of.
 
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Paul say not even angel have authority to teach other gospel.
No peter, not Paul or pope have authority to teach other gospel.
How do you know that the Gospel you believe is the Gospel handed down from Paul?
 
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Remind me of what antichrist mean

Antichrist also mean replace Christ

Pope think he have authority to replace gospel

Purgatory replace Christ
gospel

So pope is antichrist
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means😅
 

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Jackson123

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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means😅
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Antichrist

Within eschatology, the Antichrist has come to mean a person or other entity that is the embodiment of evil and utterly opposed to truth. The English word Antichrist is taken from the Greek antíkhristos, which literally means "instead of Christ".

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I don't know what do you mean

You believe Peter have authority to teach purgatory?
If so why he never teach purgatory

Paul say not even angel have authority to teach other gospel.
No peter, not Paul or pope have authority to teach other gospel.
That's true. The authority given by God is to teach the Gospel. Of course no one has the authority to teach another Gospel.
You confused the two because you reject the authority to teach the Gospel by anyone.
 
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Antichrist

Within eschatology, the Antichrist has come to mean a person or other entity that is the embodiment of evil and utterly opposed to truth. The English word Antichrist is taken from the Greek antíkhristos, which literally means "instead of Christ".

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Key word instead of Christ. Fine line here since we are all called to be Christ's within our sphere of influence in His stead. Antichrist rejects the Incarnation. Gnosticism was recognized as antichrist by John the beloved because it taught that the visible witness of God is impossible. That the knowledge of God is found internally and when found the true self is as well. Thus they taught a Gospel that attempted to make null and void apostolic authority and the public witness. To do that denial of the Incarnation was necessary.
You used the word inappropriately.
 

Jackson123

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That's true. The authority given by God is to teach the Gospel. Of course no one has the authority to teach another Gospel.
You confused the two because you reject the authority to teach the Gospel by anyone.
1.You agree No one have authority to preach another gospel , than why you believe pope has authority to teach purgatory?

2. Are you going to say only peter have authority to preach the gospel?
Wrong, Jesus ask 11 disciple to preach the gospel, not only peter

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Than Stephen die because preach the gospel, Paul also preach the gospel, and Paul was not one of the 11 disciple.
 

Jackson123

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The authority given by God is to teach the Gospel. Of course no one has the authority to teach another Gospel.
Given by god TO who?
No one have authority to teach another gospel and why you believe pope have authority to teach another gospel of purgatory ?
You confused the two because you reject the authority to teach the Gospel by anyone.
I am not, but I reject the gospel of purgatory
 

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Key word instead of Christ. Fine line here since we are all called to be Christ's within our sphere of influence in His stead. Antichrist rejects the Incarnation. Gnosticism was recognized as antichrist by John the beloved because it taught that the visible witness of God is impossible. That the knowledge of God is found internally and when found the true self is as well. Thus they taught a Gospel that attempted to make null and void apostolic authority and the public witness. To do that denial of the Incarnation was necessary.
You used the word inappropriately.
We all called to be Christ ?
Not only pope?

1 I don't think we are called to be Christ, we are call to accept Christ, not to be God.

2. Christ is God, called to be Christ mean call to be God, are you or pope God?
 
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You agree No one have authority to preach another gospel , than why you believe pope has authority to teach purgatory?
That's not another Gospel.
Are you going to say only peter have authority to preach the gospel?
Wrong, Jesus ask 11 disciple to preach the
I didn't make the 'only Peter' claim. That's the accuser you're listening to. You hear his voice when he accuses Catholicism because you share his hatred of it.

Your reasoning is informed by emotion. It is betrayed by your words. Words like 'all and nothing' 'always and never' indicate emotional thinking because it lacks the ability to see the subtleties between the extremes.
 
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Given by god TO who?
No one have authority to teach another gospel and why you believe pope have authority to teach another gospel of purgator
I already wrote that. You preach another Gospel. Believing things that appeared 1500 years after Jesus. You don't know it Jackson but when the innocent are accused its usually a projection of the accusers denied self. That's the part of us that we keep in darkness.
So the innocent accused witness the accuser parade their sin in public.
 
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I already wrote that. You preach another Gospel. Believing things that appeared 1500 years after Jesus. You don't know it Jackson but when the innocent are accused its usually a projection of the accusers denied self. That's the part of us that we keep in darkness.
So the innocent accused witness the accuser parade their sin in public.
Where in 4 gospel teach purgatory?
Who else have authority ?
I already posted scriptures teaching Purgatory. You should read my posts as possibly true instead of something to deny. Once your mind habitually decides things are impossible without reason, you have blinded yourself to the possible and inevitably Truth Himself. That's why Jesus said all things are possible with God. Not that everything is true but our approach to matters of faith in God should be that they are considered possible before impossible. All things are possible with God is not a teaching you have integrated into your faith..

As to your question about who has authority from God to teach.....Parents.
The authority to teach the Gospel is handed down from the Apostles by the laying on of hands to their chosen successors in communion with the Chair of Peter. He didn't leave us orphans. You my brother need Elijah to return again to turn your face to your fathers.
 
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We all called to be Christ ?
Not only pope?

The Pope may not be like Christ. Remember what Jesus said about those who sit on Moses' seat. Do what they teach but not what they do. Wicked Bishops happen. Today they abound and the Same holds true.

As for being 'other Christ's'. We are called to follow Christ all the way to the cross as the first martyr Stephen did. He completed his call to be an 'other Christ' even praying for those who were murdering him. Powerful prayer that was answered when the risen Christ appeared to Saul and made him Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles. St. Stephen was another Christ to those around him proven by their hatred. They hated Stephen because they hate Christ Jesus.
 

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I already wrote that. You preach another Gospel. Believing things that appeared 1500 years after Jesus. You don't know it Jackson but when the innocent are accused its usually a projection of the accusers denied self. That's the part of us that we keep in darkness.
So the innocent accused witness the accuser parade their sin in public.
My brother Benadam, I believe the gospel of matt, mark Luke etc that was wrote by that saint 2000 years ago not after 1500. In contrary, Gospel of purgatory was establish by catholic in 1274

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The purgatory of Catholic doctrine. At the Second Council of Lyon in 1274, the Catholic Church defined, for the first time, its teaching on purgatory, in two points: some souls are purified after death; such souls benefit from the prayers and pious duties that the living do for them.
 

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The Pope may not be like Christ. Remember what Jesus said about those who sit on Moses' seat. Do what they teach but not what they do. Wicked Bishops happen. Today they abound and the Same holds true.

As for being 'other Christ's'. We are called to follow Christ all the way to the cross as the first martyr Stephen did. He completed his call to be an 'other Christ' even praying for those who were murdering him. Powerful prayer that was answered when the risen Christ appeared to Saul and made him Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles. St. Stephen was another Christ to those around him proven by their hatred. They hated Stephen because they hate Christ Jesus.
We call to be Christ or to follow Christ?