Is america becoming a Pagan nation?
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yeah I don’t think whatever we do is ever going to change what God said is good and evil. We’re all going to face God for our words and deeds , but it’s not going to be according to what the world thinks is right and wrong it will be according to what God said
Christians are normally going to believe the things they learn from the Bible so there are going to disagree with thkngs like transgenderism and homosexual marriages and thkngs like that. It’s just a reality in the church we can’t let the world decide what’s right and wrong it’s always trying to do that that’s why the country is like it is
we don’t remain in what God said is good and evil, we try to get consensus and make up our own good and evil, and then we get bent against what God said first and consider those things to be “ an evil “ rather than what they are
Christians are normally going to believe the things they learn from the Bible so there are going to disagree with thkngs like transgenderism and homosexual marriages and thkngs like that. It’s just a reality in the church we can’t let the world decide what’s right and wrong it’s always trying to do that that’s why the country is like it is
we don’t remain in what God said is good and evil, we try to get consensus and make up our own good and evil, and then we get bent against what God said first and consider those things to be “ an evil “ rather than what they are
"And he made them Male and Female". I am not challenging you.
Since the fall, this is not strictly true any more. Thankfully the incidence is low, there are folk who are referred to as Intersex, not strictly XX or XY and there are many variations. And then of course there are those with conditions like AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) and others. People, sadly including the religious are at times quite cruel to people like this.
I won't moralize about homosexuality because that is not up to me but God only. The argument about it being a moral issue or having been born that way is tiresome and I get angry. There are however, those who get labelled as Transgender by people who have no right to speak about it. It used to be that new born babies born with visible disorders simply disappeared for a while so the Doctor could preform some corrective surgery, so the mother could have either a boy or a girl. After numbers of various disasters that often involved suicides, many Doctors have stopped doing them. It is becoming the normal protocol that as the child grows up, they can decide for themselves. And NO I am not going to write about my own personal experiences. It is private.
Since the fall, this is not strictly true any more. Thankfully the incidence is low, there are folk who are referred to as Intersex, not strictly XX or XY and there are many variations. And then of course there are those with conditions like AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) and others. People, sadly including the religious are at times quite cruel to people like this.
I won't moralize about homosexuality because that is not up to me but God only. The argument about it being a moral issue or having been born that way is tiresome and I get angry. There are however, those who get labelled as Transgender by people who have no right to speak about it. It used to be that new born babies born with visible disorders simply disappeared for a while so the Doctor could preform some corrective surgery, so the mother could have either a boy or a girl. After numbers of various disasters that often involved suicides, many Doctors have stopped doing them. It is becoming the normal protocol that as the child grows up, they can decide for themselves. And NO I am not going to write about my own personal experiences. It is private.
To the OP question, the 1st amendment insures the religious freedom of pagans. 
American government has always been secular, not Theocratic.
Some think the phrase in the Declaration of Independence, natures God, means that those who oversaw the draft of that document were Christian. Actually, the phrase regarding nature and natures God is taken from the writing of John Locke, Theory of Natural Rights.
Locke was raised in a Puritan household.
He later evolved his theology to that of a Calvinist trinitarian. Gradually he began to embrace the teachings of Faustus Socinus as a "Socinian Christian". Faustus Socinus believed in the separation of church and state.
As to the trajectory of America's state today, I think it's fast moving toward Authoritarianism, with a smattering of Socialism. Both schools of thought raised their head during the lock down. A term and application that was previously relegated to that of prisoners in prisons.
I think the whole thing is a social experiment. To see how far we shall allow ourselves to be pushed away from our inalienable rights. And how easily or if at all, we'll concede to the new rules and stipulations that portend allowance of our being given limited liberty in future. While we'll never return to the liberty we once enjoyed, we even before Covid were being slowly groomed to accept the authoritarian model.
Political Correctness. Thought re-education programs. Etc....
Interestingly the Jeremy Renner film, The Bourne Legacy is being replayed in some markets now. There's a fascinating bit of timing. Especially given the line by "Dr. Marta Shearing"
Well, if you're going to reprogram human genetic material, you need a delivery system, and nothing works better than virus. It's like a suitcase.
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American government has always been secular, not Theocratic.
Some think the phrase in the Declaration of Independence, natures God, means that those who oversaw the draft of that document were Christian. Actually, the phrase regarding nature and natures God is taken from the writing of John Locke, Theory of Natural Rights.
Locke was raised in a Puritan household.
He later evolved his theology to that of a Calvinist trinitarian. Gradually he began to embrace the teachings of Faustus Socinus as a "Socinian Christian". Faustus Socinus believed in the separation of church and state.
As to the trajectory of America's state today, I think it's fast moving toward Authoritarianism, with a smattering of Socialism. Both schools of thought raised their head during the lock down. A term and application that was previously relegated to that of prisoners in prisons.
I think the whole thing is a social experiment. To see how far we shall allow ourselves to be pushed away from our inalienable rights. And how easily or if at all, we'll concede to the new rules and stipulations that portend allowance of our being given limited liberty in future. While we'll never return to the liberty we once enjoyed, we even before Covid were being slowly groomed to accept the authoritarian model.
Political Correctness. Thought re-education programs. Etc....
Interestingly the Jeremy Renner film, The Bourne Legacy is being replayed in some markets now. There's a fascinating bit of timing. Especially given the line by "Dr. Marta Shearing"
Well, if you're going to reprogram human genetic material, you need a delivery system, and nothing works better than virus. It's like a suitcase.
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you know what
Eunuchs heard the gospel and they got saved. Its right in the Bible, Jesus even addressed them and said people wouldnt understand. some were born eunuchs and some chose to be.
so, why are some christians being so judgy about the whole male and female thing.
both homosexuality and heterosexuality or plain sexuality is actually not right in the bible either. Just because there are male and female doesnt mean just anyone can copulate with anyone! In fact fornication and adultery are seen as major sins too....as well as incest.
Eunuchs heard the gospel and they got saved. Its right in the Bible, Jesus even addressed them and said people wouldnt understand. some were born eunuchs and some chose to be.
so, why are some christians being so judgy about the whole male and female thing.
both homosexuality and heterosexuality or plain sexuality is actually not right in the bible either. Just because there are male and female doesnt mean just anyone can copulate with anyone! In fact fornication and adultery are seen as major sins too....as well as incest.
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At age 45 I think I’ve seen enough elections both Canadian and American to conclude that candidates have nothing to do with leadership. They are merely the mask of the parties. The parties are the marionettes. The marionettes’ strings are held in the right and left hand of one puppeteer. We the voters are merely are indicators of how the show progresses. If he dangles the left and they cheer then he keeps the crowd entertained while the real changes are made in back rooms off stage. Nothing ever gets better. It only trends further and further into offering up more gods to worship turning hearts from the Creator. First “freedom” under the guise of democracy, money under capitalism, entertainment under free speech. One nation under gods.
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To all the people who claim America has always been non-Christian:
Amazon.com: The Origins of American Constitutionalism (Bibliographies in the History of): 9780807115060: Lutz, Donald S.: Books
It's a small book. You can read it in an evening.
Also, I think it's important to note Paganism is a specific kind of religion, describing worshiping a pantheon of gods built upon house deity worship. What we're dealing with in the West today has its own important distinctives.
Amazon.com: The Origins of American Constitutionalism (Bibliographies in the History of): 9780807115060: Lutz, Donald S.: Books
It's a small book. You can read it in an evening.
Also, I think it's important to note Paganism is a specific kind of religion, describing worshiping a pantheon of gods built upon house deity worship. What we're dealing with in the West today has its own important distinctives.
The point of the book is that regardless of the founding fathers' religious beliefs, the (small-r) republican tradition they were born into, The tradition of self-governance that served as casus belli in the War for Independence, had a VERY Christian cultural backdrop. That and many of our founding fathers we do not emphasize in popular history telling were observant Christians. Men like John Witherspoon (James Madison's mentor), Roger Sherman, Benjamin Rush, John Randolph of Roanoke, and so forth. Part of the reason we do not remember these men is that we have become more heathen and have chosen not to honor their memories in our popular telling of history.
Additionally, the deism of certain founders is also over-stated.
I don't think the founding of our country is perfect, but it had a better foundation than most out there. To have one man like Roger Sherman loom as large as he did is enough for me to be proud of our country in the period of separation from Britain.
It's a great book. Easily one of my favorites.
Additionally, the deism of certain founders is also over-stated.
I don't think the founding of our country is perfect, but it had a better foundation than most out there. To have one man like Roger Sherman loom as large as he did is enough for me to be proud of our country in the period of separation from Britain.
It's a great book. Easily one of my favorites.
Agreed. We often talk about the persecution of Nero against the early Christians. And it was heinous, indeed.
However, in my opinion, there was none more licentious than Caligula with his decadent sex parties and his insane pleasure killings. But, of course, all that eventually led to his assassination.
You hit on a lot of topics here. And most of these anomalies have been around for over 100 years.
For example, Joseph Smith started Mormonism in the 1820s. The Watchtower Society had already published the first edition of their apostate New World Translation in 1918. And L. Ron Hubbard finished his book Dianetics in 1950, creating the first spark for the Scientology movement.
Within the Edict of Milan in AD 313, Roman emperor Constantine declared all Christians free from persecution. He then changed the Jewish Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And he even went as far as to erect Christian monuments, build enormous houses of worship, and offer state funding to various religious activities.
However, all this benevolence toward Christians— and Jews, for that matter— came at an enormous spiritual cost that we're still paying for today. What Constantine did to Christ's church was cloak it in paganism. And it has been tainted ever since.
Of course, the great protestant reformation in the 16th century was an enormous blessing to us even to this day. But some of the remnants of church tradition started by Constantine are still with us in 2021.
The term paganism is somewhat vague, where Christians over the centuries have taken it to mean any religion outside of the Gospel. So, by definition, paganism really isn't organized religion. However, what's interesting is that, during the past twenty years, it has gained traction as a movement, if not a full-blown religion, complete with religious symbols and gatherings.
One final thought. I'm not sure that I buy the argument the US is a Christian nation. But I do believe that most of our traditions are steeped in Judeo-Christian values.
And the fact that we seem to be getting away from those traditions is not necessarily because we're in the end times. I believe it's because of the cultural shift from institutional precepts into a smaller, more communal order.
And once we finally settle into this new alignment, I believe we're going to experience a revival of the magnitude we've never seen before.
However, in my opinion, there was none more licentious than Caligula with his decadent sex parties and his insane pleasure killings. But, of course, all that eventually led to his assassination.
You hit on a lot of topics here. And most of these anomalies have been around for over 100 years.
For example, Joseph Smith started Mormonism in the 1820s. The Watchtower Society had already published the first edition of their apostate New World Translation in 1918. And L. Ron Hubbard finished his book Dianetics in 1950, creating the first spark for the Scientology movement.
Within the Edict of Milan in AD 313, Roman emperor Constantine declared all Christians free from persecution. He then changed the Jewish Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And he even went as far as to erect Christian monuments, build enormous houses of worship, and offer state funding to various religious activities.
However, all this benevolence toward Christians— and Jews, for that matter— came at an enormous spiritual cost that we're still paying for today. What Constantine did to Christ's church was cloak it in paganism. And it has been tainted ever since.
Of course, the great protestant reformation in the 16th century was an enormous blessing to us even to this day. But some of the remnants of church tradition started by Constantine are still with us in 2021.
The term paganism is somewhat vague, where Christians over the centuries have taken it to mean any religion outside of the Gospel. So, by definition, paganism really isn't organized religion. However, what's interesting is that, during the past twenty years, it has gained traction as a movement, if not a full-blown religion, complete with religious symbols and gatherings.
One final thought. I'm not sure that I buy the argument the US is a Christian nation. But I do believe that most of our traditions are steeped in Judeo-Christian values.
And the fact that we seem to be getting away from those traditions is not necessarily because we're in the end times. I believe it's because of the cultural shift from institutional precepts into a smaller, more communal order.
And once we finally settle into this new alignment, I believe we're going to experience a revival of the magnitude we've never seen before.
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Thanks for this. Illuminati hand sign in author pic.
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2013/03/codex-magica-chapter-15.html
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2013/03/codex-magica-chapter-15.html