Is all scripture plain to understand?

[throughfaith]

Or maybe you humble yourself and you can look to the greek, and see Peter literally said this

Repent, and you shall recieve the gift of the holy spirit. And let every one of you (who repented) be baptized, because you have recieved remission of sin

the first phrase is all 2nd person plural

The second phrase is all 3rd person singular. hence the words fit together

One must remember, the people who interpreted this word at the time believed baptism was required to be saved. So they interpreted it to fit their belief system. Thats why you shoudl trust NO interpretation. But to test every spirit

Yes Catholics also miss the context, just like your doing . And again 0 context from you ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes Catholics also miss the context, just like your doing . And again 0 context from you ?

I do not need context to see what it is saying.

I just need the words.

He did not say be baptized to recieve the holy spirit. No matter how bad you want it too.

Funny how you refuse to even look at the words as written..

Anyway, Thanks again for nothing. Good day

 

[throughfaith]

Or maybe you humble yourself and you can look to the greek, and see Peter literally said this

Repent, and you shall recieve the gift of the holy spirit. And let every one of you (who repented) be baptized, because you have recieved remission of sin

the first phrase is all 2nd person plural

The second phrase is all 3rd person singular. hence the words fit together

One must remember, the people who interpreted this word at the time believed baptism was required to be saved. So they interpreted it to fit their belief system. Thats why you shoudl trust NO interpretation. But to test every spirit

The ' greek game ' and the ' the kjv is wrong ' game . Which greek ?

 

[throughfaith]

I do not need context to see what it is saying.

I just need the words.

He did not say be baptized to recieve the holy spirit. No matter how bad you want it too.

Funny how you refuse to even look at the words as written..

Anyway, Thanks again for nothing. Good day

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
NKJV
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
NASB
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
DBY
And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of sins, and ye will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
DBY
And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of sins, and ye will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Rock said to them, "Repent, and be immersed, everyone of you, in the name of Yeshua the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh.
RSV
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
YLT
and Peter said unto them, 'Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
WEB
Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
NET
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
All these idiots .

 

[throughfaith]

now take the text, as it stands, and see how God the Holy Spirit interpreted it. 1. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Mark 1:4 2. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Matthew 26:28 3. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Romans 3:25 4. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Acts 2:38 Find one time in that list where “FOR” means anything but “because of”! You can’t find it.

 

[throughfaith]

I do not need context to see what it is saying.

I just need the words.

He did not say be baptized to recieve the holy spirit. No matter how bad you want it too.

Funny how you refuse to even look at the words as written..

Anyway, Thanks again for nothing. Good day

now take the text, as it stands, and see how God the Holy Spirit interpreted it. 1. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Mark 1:4 2. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Matthew 26:28 3. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Romans 3:25 4. “FOR the REMISSION OF SINS”—Acts 2:38 Find one time in that list where “FOR” means anything but “because of”! You can’t find it.

 

[KingdomBrat]

As human beings, we are generally like the term for driving [tunnel visioned] when it comes to how each one of us views all things in life, Hardly are we ever close. Therefore, [context] is always subjected to views and opinions. The differing answers indicates the point or level of understanding due to the growth in God. When someone [yells] context, I wonder if that person is understanding from what the Holy Spirit has revealed or what their carnal mind perceives.

 

[throughfaith]

I do not need context to see what it is saying.

I just need the words.

He did not say be baptized to recieve the holy spirit. No matter how bad you want it too.

Funny how you refuse to even look at the words as written..

Anyway, Thanks again for nothing. Good day

There isn’t one time in the New Testament where “FOR the remission of sins” meant anything except that God had forgiven them, so in view of this (not “with a view to” as the ridiculous Greek professors conjectured), the sinner was to DO something. 1. “FOR the REMISSION”—Mark 1:4.
1. There are no Christians in Acts 2. 2. The plan of salvation for a lost man is NOT given clearly. 3. None of the apostles are baptized according to Acts 2:38. 4. If you got baptized that way, without Colossians 2:11–12, you will go to HELL without the Spirit.
5. No one asked, “What must I do to be saved?”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The ' greek game ' and the ' the kjv is wrong ' game . Which greek ?

Every greek text uses the same words in this case.

Good day sir. I am tired of your games.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As human beings, we are generally like the term for driving [tunnel visioned] when it comes to how each one of us views all things in life, Hardly are we ever close. Therefore, [context] is always subjected to views and opinions. The differing answers indicates the point or level of understanding due to the growth in God. When someone [yells] context, I wonder if that person is understanding from what the Holy Spirit has revealed or what their carnal mind perceives.

In this case we have a passage that for years I could not answer. People who believed baptismal regeneration used this passage to prove we must be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit

For this reason, Someone broke it down in the greek for me, I went him and studied this for myself using about every thing I could use (I have a gret library of greek lexicons and dictionaries as well as many commentaries to look at. And found what I was told to be true, that in fact Peter was not elling people to be baptized to recieve the spirit.

as for context. we see in the following verse This promise was to everyone, not just jews.

Acts 2: 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So it is not just me thinking this is what I believe or my view. It is hours of study, And a simple looking at he passage to who this promise is given too.

 

[throughfaith]

In this case we have a passage that for years I could not answer. People who believed baptismal regeneration used this passage to prove we must be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit

For this reason, Someone broke it down in the greek for me, I went him and studied this for myself using about every thing I could use (I have a gret library of greek lexicons and dictionaries as well as many commentaries to look at. And found what I was told to be true, that in fact Peter was not elling people to be baptized to recieve the spirit.

as for context. we see in the following verse This promise was to everyone, not just jews.

Acts 2: 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So it is not just me thinking this is what I believe or my view. It is hours of study, And a simple looking at he passage to who this promise is given too.

Again if Catholics and the rest that ignore who Peter is speaking to and the context plainly given, and ignoring all the other times ' FOR the remission...' is used elsewhere in the scripture , there is no such difficulty .

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

1) OUR GOD” (as “OUR FATHER”) is the Jewish designation for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. NOW it is true in the sense of God’s being the God of “Us”—Christians (see Col. 1:2), “OUR GOD,” where Peter has just finished addressing “THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL” (and “they” [vs. 37] have responded), is plainly the Jewish designation. “OUR GOD” is the Bible term for the God of Judah and Israel.


2) A FAR OFF.
Daniel 9:7 matches 1. “The men of Judah.” 2. “The inhabitants of Jerusalem.” 3. “All Israel.” 4. “THAT ARE AFAR OFF.” 5. “Through all the countries.”

3) Promise .

s. 39) could have had NOTHING to do with the Gentiles, for the Gentiles receive “the PROMISE of the SPIRIT by FAITH” (Gal. 3:14).

Those “afar off” and their “children” are the Jews of the dispersion who are represented at Pentecost by the list we have given under Acts 2:6–11.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again if Catholics and the rest that ignore who Peter is speaking to and the context plainly given, and ignoring all the other times ' FOR the remission...' is used elsewhere in the scripture , there is no such difficulty .

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

1) OUR GOD” (as “OUR FATHER”) is the Jewish designation for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. NOW it is true in the sense of God’s being the God of “Us”—Christians (see Col. 1:2), “OUR GOD,” where Peter has just finished addressing “THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL” (and “they” [vs. 37] have responded), is plainly the Jewish designation. “OUR GOD” is the Bible term for the God of Judah and Israel.


2) A FAR OFF.
Daniel 9:7 matches 1. “The men of Judah.” 2. “The inhabitants of Jerusalem.” 3. “All Israel.” 4. “THAT ARE AFAR OFF.” 5. “Through all the countries.”

3) Promise .

s. 39) could have had NOTHING to do with the Gentiles, for the Gentiles receive “the PROMISE of the SPIRIT by FAITH” (Gal. 3:14).

Those “afar off” and their “children” are the Jews of the dispersion who are represented at Pentecost by the list we have given under Acts 2:6–11.

Good day sir.

I can not buy anything you sad here. Not because of who you are. But because I have studied this passage in depth,

 

[throughfaith]

Good day sir.

I can not buy anything you sad here. Not because of who you are. But because I have studied this passage in depth,

And yet you offered no walk through of the text ( or context) , Just wilful assertion and pointing ' to the greek ' . The whole of Peter's sermon is the context. Good day to you to .

 

[throughfaith]

In this case we have a passage that for years I could not answer. People who believed baptismal regeneration used this passage to prove we must be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit

For this reason, Someone broke it down in the greek for me, I went him and studied this for myself using about every thing I could use (I have a gret library of greek lexicons and dictionaries as well as many commentaries to look at. And found what I was told to be true, that in fact Peter was not elling people to be baptized to recieve the spirit.

as for context. we see in the following verse This promise was to everyone, not just jews.

Acts 2: 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So it is not just me thinking this is what I believe or my view. It is hours of study, And a simple looking at he passage to who this promise is given too.

///In this case we have a passage that for years I could not answer. People who believed baptismal regeneration used this passage to prove we must be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit/// i completely agree with your point here . But the answer is found in the context. Within the actual sermon Peter is preaching to ISRAEL . There is nothing wrong with what the text is saying as its been translated. The conclusions are wrong because people are making this the plan of salvation.

 

[throughfaith]

Good day sir.

I can not buy anything you sad here. Not because of who you are. But because I have studied this passage in depth,

As it stands .
37¶Now when THEY heard this, THEY were pricked in THEIR heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and BRETHREN, what shall WE DO ?

38¶Then Peter said unto THEM ( ISRAEL ) , Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39For the promise is unto YOU ( Whos peter talking to ? ) , and to YOUR children,( Who's children ? Any gentiles hearing this message ? ) and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jews afar off ,
PETER HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ANY MESSAGE TO THE GENTILE UNTIL ACTS 11 .

 

[KingdomBrat]

In this case we have a passage that for years I could not answer. People who believed baptismal regeneration used this passage to prove we must be baptized to recieve the gift of the spirit

For this reason, Someone broke it down in the greek for me, I went him and studied this for myself using about every thing I could use (I have a gret library of greek lexicons and dictionaries as well as many commentaries to look at. And found what I was told to be true, that in fact Peter was not elling people to be baptized to recieve the spirit.

as for context. we see in the following verse This promise was to everyone, not just jews.

Acts 2: 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So it is not just me thinking this is what I believe or my view. It is hours of study, And a simple looking at he passage to who this promise is given too.

Amen!

 

[KingdomBrat]

PETER HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ANY MESSAGE TO THE GENTILE UNTIL ACTS 11 .

Here is what baffles me about your entire argument surrounding this Verse. We have the entire picture from beginning to end here. We know this Verse ultimately is for the Gentiles, whether Peter gets it or not. Christ called him Satan, for his obstruction to going to Jerusalem knowing He would be captured and put to Death. Peter tried to remain hidden when it was mentioned he was caught eating with the Gentiles. Peter does some stupid things and some times is hard of learning. But none of that changes the Spiritual Meaning to this Verse in Acts.

 

[Guojing]

The jew was no longer under law The law was fullfilled the moment Jesus said it is finished.

Your dual gospel issue is blasphemy

Acts 21:20-25. No one told the little flock that Jews were no longer under the Law.

 

[Guojing]

Here is what baffles me about your entire argument surrounding this Verse. We have the entire picture from beginning to end here. We know this Verse ultimately is for the Gentiles, whether Peter gets it or not.

How do you know this? In Acts 2, Peter was speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Why not understand Acts 2, from the context of what Jesus commanded them in Matthew 10:5-7?

After all, the resurrected Christ did tell them to teach others to obey everything he commanded them, and he never canceled out his commandment in Matthew 10:5. (Matthew 28:20).

Why would you think Peter didn't get it?

 

[Guojing]

Hi throughfaith and guojing,



There is one Gospel and one people of God.



Jesus

46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)


Peter

8 Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

39 This promise is to you, to your children, and to those far away—all who have been called by the Lord our God.”

40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation!”


Paul

21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.



In Acts 2 Peter is addressing the people to whom he was talking to because that is were he was standing.. (Judea (The good news spreads from Judea out to the whole world)). Peters message is indeed the gospel. Notice Peter says and all those who are far off..this implies gentile inclusion. The nation of Israel failed in being a light to the nations... Now the Light has appeared:


John 1 :9-13

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Is this your basic argument?

Peter taught that salvation is by Christ alone.

Paul taught that salvation is by Christ alone.

Therefore, both are teaching the same gospel?