Is Acts 2.38 the plan of salvation ?

[eternally-gratefull]

jackson your post did not go through

but here is my response

the people asked, what work must I DO

Jesus respons, it is the WORK OF GOD

in other words, there is no work you can do, God sent me to do the work, all you have to do is believe

is belief is a work, we are saved by works, and Paul lied, salvation is not a gift, it is a reward.

 

[Jackson123]

jackson your post did not go through

but here is my response

the people asked, what work must I DO

Jesus respons, it is the WORK OF GOD

in other words, there is no work you can do, God sent me to do the work, all you have to do is believe

is belief is a work, we are saved by works, and Paul lied, salvation is not a gift, it is a reward.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is my take on

The question is

How to work for God

The answer is

Believe in Me

As soon as you believe in Jesus, you work for God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is my take on

The question is

How to work for God

The answer is

Believe in Me

As soon as you believe in Jesus, you work for God

It does not fit

jesus said IT is the work of God

take him at his word.

 

[JBTN]

Eternally-grateful is correct.

Jesus tells us a few verses later that these people are not believers. They want to know how he is performing the miracles they have seen. If you read through John 5 and on to this point in Chapter 6 you will see Jesus telling the people about how the Father is working so that they will believe in the Son. Exactly the same thing he says in John 6:29.

 

[Skovand]

A lot of Christians and denomination s believe that Acts 2.38 is the plan or order of salvation. Or at least it is used to support a variation of .
Why is this the case given the context in a 'transitional ' book with 28 chapters ?

yes it’s part of the plan of salvation. Eis means into. Repent and be baptized into the forgiveness of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is to you ( the jews) , the Samaritans ( half Jewish gentiles ) and to the ends of the earth ( the gentiles ).

 

[Skovand]

Also baptism is an act of faith. It’s in baptism our conscience cries out to God and we receive a spiritual circumcision. ( 1 Peter 3:28-21, Romans 6:1-6, and ect..)

 

[throughfaith]

yes it’s part of the plan of salvation. Eis means into. Repent and be baptized into the forgiveness of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is to you ( the jews) , the Samaritans ( half Jewish gentiles ) and to the ends of the earth ( the gentiles ).

Then why is this never picked up on in any of the books that actually directly teach on soteriology . How to be saved ect ?

 

[Jackson123]

It does not fit

jesus said IT is the work of God

take him at his word.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Verse 28
What we might work the work of God, what kind of work is work of God
Or Asking how to work for God

We mean us not God, we are not God
Not why I work for God

Answer v 29

Work of God is ye/you believe Jesus

 

[throughfaith]

Also baptism is an act of faith. It’s in baptism our conscience cries out to God and we receive a spiritual circumcision. ( 1 Peter 3:28-21, Romans 6:1-6, and ect..)

Also baptism is an act of faith. It’s in baptism our conscience cries out to God and we receive a spiritual circumcision. ( 1 Peter 3:28-21, Romans 6:1-6, and ect..)

No water here?
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Verse 28
What we might work the work of God, what kind of work is work of God
Or Asking how to work for God

We mean us not God, we are not God
Not why I work for God

Answer v 29

Work of God is ye/you believe Jesus

Yep it’s gods work that you believe

Not your own work

 

[JBTN]

yes it’s part of the plan of salvation. Eis means into. Repent and be baptized into the forgiveness of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is to you ( the jews) , the Samaritans ( half Jewish gentiles ) and to the ends of the earth ( the gentiles ).

I agree that eis means into.

If you look up the other words you end up with something like this:

Change your mind and be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into forgiveness of sins.

The immersion here is into forgiveness of sins, not water.

The phrase “into forgiveness of sins“ can be found in Luke 24:47 and Matthew 26:27-29. The Greek words are the same in all 3 places.

In Luke 24:47 we see Jesus say “a change of mind into forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations.” No immersion or baptism is mentioned here. This is significant when you think about the greater context around this verse. Luke 24:44-49.

In Matthew we see the same Greek phrase again. “for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many into the forgiveness of sins.”

Jesus’ blood was poured out into forgiveness of sins. So, in Acts 2:38 when we are immersed into forgiveness of sins we are also immersed into his blood.

 

[throughfaith]

Yep it’s gods work that you believe

Not your own work

And yet its only by our belief in Him do we please God . 1 cor 1.21 .

 

[JBTN]

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Verse 28
What we might work the work of God, what kind of work is work of God
Or Asking how to work for God

We mean us not God, we are not God
Not why I work for God

Answer v 29

Work of God is ye/you believe Jesus

Eternally-grateful is correct.

Jesus tells us a few verses later that these people are not believers. They want to know how he is performing the miracles they have seen. If you read through John 5 and on to this point in Chapter 6 you will see Jesus telling the people about how the Father is working so that they will believe in the Son. Exactly the same thing he says in John 6:29.

 

[JBTN]

And yet its only by our belief in Him do we please God . 1 cor 1.21 .

Also 1 John 3:21-24

 

[throughfaith]

I agree that eis means into.

If you look up the other words you end up with something like this:

Change your mind and be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into forgiveness of sins.

The immersion here is into forgiveness of sins, not water.

The phrase “into forgiveness of sins“ can be found in Luke 24:47 and Matthew 26:27-29. The Greek words are the same in all 3 places.

In Luke 24:47 we see Jesus say “a change of mind into forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations.” No immersion or baptism is mentioned here. This is significant when you think about the greater context around this verse. Luke 24:44-49.

In Matthew we see the same Greek phrase again. “for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many into the forgiveness of sins.”

Jesus’ blood was poured out into forgiveness of sins. So, in Acts 2:38 when we are immersed into forgiveness of sins we are also immersed into his blood.

And yet Peter ( before he even understands the inclusion of the gentiles ( not until acts 11,some time later) Clearly on the Day of pentacost is talking to Israel . The order given is the following on from John the baptist . Thats what they must ' do ' . Notice the contrast in Acts 8 and acts 16.30 .

 

[throughfaith]

I agree that eis means into.

If you look up the other words you end up with something like this:

Change your mind and be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into forgiveness of sins.

The immersion here is into forgiveness of sins, not water.

The phrase “into forgiveness of sins“ can be found in Luke 24:47 and Matthew 26:27-29. The Greek words are the same in all 3 places.

In Luke 24:47 we see Jesus say “a change of mind into forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations.” No immersion or baptism is mentioned here. This is significant when you think about the greater context around this verse. Luke 24:44-49.

In Matthew we see the same Greek phrase again. “for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many into the forgiveness of sins.”

Jesus’ blood was poured out into forgiveness of sins. So, in Acts 2:38 when we are immersed into forgiveness of sins we are also immersed into his blood.

And yet Peter ( before he even understands the inclusion of the gentiles ( not until acts 11,some time later) Clearly on the Day of pentacost is talking to Israel . The order given is the following on from John the baptist . Thats what they must ' do ' . Notice the contrast in Acts 8 and acts 16.30 . Then notice in the very books that teach on how we appropriate salvation and we will read the ' normative 'appropriation of salvation. Rom 10.9 . 1 cor 15 .1-4 . Eph 1 .13 -14 .
Deciding from the book of Acts how we are saved today is the worst thing a believer can do with the scriptures. Its a TRANSITIONAL account of the ACTS OF THE APOSTLES not a go to book for soteriology.

 

[JBTN]

I think they knew earlier.

Matthew 28:19
Luke 24:47
Acts 1:6-8

 

[JBTN]

And yet Peter ( before he even understands the inclusion of the gentiles ( not until acts 11,some time later) Clearly on the Day of pentacost is talking to Israel . The order given is the following on from John the baptist . Thats what they must ' do ' . Notice the contrast in Acts 8 and acts 16.30 . Then notice in the very books that teach on how we appropriate salvation and we will read the ' normative 'appropriation of salvation. Rom 10.9 . 1 cor 15 .1-4 . Eph 1 .13 -14 .
Deciding from the book of Acts how we are saved today is the worst thing a believer can do with the scriptures. Its a TRANSITIONAL account of the ACTS OF THE APOSTLES not a go to book for soteriology.

Acts does lay out the process or order that was used to bring the gospel to the different groups. Notice Acts 1:8 tells us that the Apostles will be his witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.

Acts 2 Jerusalem
Acts 8 Samaria
Acts 10 gentiles

Acts 8 illustrates that the Apostles had to be the ones who introduced each group to the gospel as Acts 1:8 says.

 

[stepbystep]

jesus said it is the work of God that we believe

but salvation is a gift not a reward

I did not say salvation was a reward, I said God rewards those who believe with the GIFT of salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did not say salvation was a reward, I said God rewards those who believe with the GIFT of salvation.

Take out the word reward

you said god rewards those......

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