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pittsburghjoe said:
I'm saying God only allows carnal minds to find Him when the person is trying to. If that wasn't the case we wouldn't have Free Will.

What do you think of the post above yours?
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That would be post #117, in which you posted:
"Before Jesus, Jews had to deal with relinquished spiritual authority, that is why their Covenant is of the Flesh. Christians renew our spirit with the Heart of the New Covenant and reclaim authority through Christ."

I don't know what you mean by "relinquished spiritual authority" by OT Jews, or "reclaiming authority" by NT Christians.

I don't know what the "Covenant is of the Flesh". Haven't seen that in Scripture.

So I'm not sure what to think.
 
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We can be spiritually dead ..but the people before Adam didn't even have that.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
We can be spiritually dead ..but the people before Adam didn't even have that.
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Can be? Humans are born spiritually dead. The very reason Jesus Christ came to earth to die for them.

Regarding "people before Adam", Acts 17:26 would deny anyone before Adam.
 
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Can be? Humans are born spiritually dead. The very reason Jesus Christ came to earth to die for them.

Regarding "people before Adam", Acts 17:26 would deny anyone before Adam.
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all men from Adam would have a spirit
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
all men from Adam would have a spirit
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That doesn't address my comments.

What were you referring to by "people before Adam"? What does that mean?

When God created Adam "in Our image", that meant Adam had a body, soul and human spirit. When Adam rebelled and ate the fruit, he died "on that day", but not physically. Rather, his human spirit died, rendering him unable to initiate relationship/fellowsip with God. Which is why he hid when the Lord came calling.

Recall what Jesus told the woman at the well in John 4. "Those who worship God must worship in spirit and in truth."

By "spirit" Jesus was referring to a human spirit. All humans born (meaning after Adam and the woman), are born physically alive but spiritually dead. That means their human spirit is dead, non functioning. They cannot worship God in the manner God requires.

It is at the moment of saving faith in Jesus Christ that God "makes alive" (Eph 2:5) the human spirit, or regenerates the human spirit, which allows the believer to have relationship/fellowship with God.

So unbelievers are dichotomous; body and soul.
Believers are trichotomous; body, soul and spirit. 1 Thess 5:23.
 
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There is no spirit without God's Law because Adam relinquished spiritual authority.

Void of righteous perception of reality.

Jews use the Law with flesh/blood.

Christians use the Law with heart/blood.
 
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God's Law is the same thing as a righteous spirit, which gives a different perception of this fallen reality.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
There is no spirit without God's Law because Adam relinquished spiritual authority.

Void of righteous perception of reality.

Jews use the Law with flesh/blood.

Christians use the Law with heart/blood.
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Can you support any of these statements from Scripture? The statements don't make sense, so I'd like to see where these statements come from.

Or are these just your own ideas?
 
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God's Law is the same thing as a righteous spirit, which gives a different perception of this fallen reality.
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Again, where do you get your ideas from? God's law is what God commands people to DO. How can His law be "the same thing as a righteous spirit"? That makes no sense.
 
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A dead spirit still works as your perception of reality but the connection to God is dead. It is relying on the tempter to function.

The Law causes righteousness which is the connection to God, spirit.
 
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A dead spirit still works as your perception of reality but the connection to God is dead.
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That's why at birth people are described as spiritually dead.

It is relying on the tempter to function.
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Could you supply Scripture that says this? Or is this another of your ideas?

The Law causes righteousness which is the connection to God, spirit.
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No, the Law is a tutor that leads mankind to Christ.

Gal 3:21 - Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
GAl 3:24 - So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

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24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
 
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Did the tempter convince himself that God wasn't real to become the beast? Jesus told satan about God the Father when He was being tempted in the desert ..but maybe he just ignored it like carnal atheists do.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
That's why at birth people are described as spiritually dead.


Could you supply Scripture that says this? Or is this another of your ideas?


No, the Law is a tutor that leads mankind to Christ.

Gal 3:21 - Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
GAl 3:24 - So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

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24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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Is satan the lowercase god of this world because our original dead spirit perception has to go through him? Did God give the Jews a way through the Law to handle it? Then the Law was written to our Hearts through Jesus. But we still have to deal with our reality filtering through the tempter until Judgement Day.
 
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Was God's Breath into Adam ..The Law/Faith? Does that mean a spirit is a perception of reality that includes the spiritual?
 
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All possible paths of the EM vector field are how quantum effects happen. It literally is superposition. It is the Universal Wave. All non-local waves are a part of it. It is the Universal Observer ..God. It is our connection to Him. It is Spirit. The Law/Faith cause this connection.
 
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Law/Faith is causing entanglement to the Universal Wave. It is our connection to the virtual side ..The Way out of the tempter's perception.
 
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sin is handing your spirit/perception over to death ..separation from God. The Law/Faith is about keeping you connected to God.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
That's why at birth people are described as spiritually dead.

Could you supply Scripture that says this? Or is this another of your ideas?

No, the Law is a tutor that leads mankind to Christ.

Gal 3:21 - Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
GAl 3:24 - So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

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24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
pittsburghjoe said:
Is satan the lowercase god of this world because our original dead spirit perception has to go through him?
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No, but how does this irrelevant question address my post?

Did God give the Jews a way through the Law to handle it?
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Yes, the promised Messiah. The Law was to prove to the Jews (and all of humanity) that they can't save themselves.

Then the Law was written to our Hearts through Jesus. But we still have to deal with our reality filtering through the tempter until Judgement Day.
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What do you mean by "deal with our reality filtering through the tempter"? Sounds like a word salad. Low on calories.
 
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All possible paths of the EM vector field are how quantum effects happen.
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Well, now I know where you're coming from.

It literally is superposition.
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Yep, that's my conclusion.


It is the Universal Wave. All non-local waves are a part of it. It is the Universal Observer ..God. It is our connection to Him. It is Spirit. The Law/Faith cause this connection.
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After all this, I have to ask; what planet?
 
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