In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form
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Nope. Never said that.
Flesh of the immortal, of course.
Th spirit Christ spoke of was a ghost, and no, it has no flesh. Christ had flesh and bones, and he was the resurrected Christ, fully immortal.
It says hand, back and face.
They have angelic or heavenly bodies.
People after resurrection are not spirits.
Christ did resurrect with a glorified body and said he had flesh and bone.
You have expressed belief in a Christ that died, resurrected but was still mortal. I don't find any support for that belief. I don't believe the converstaion about him raising a symbolic destroyed temple as evidence of a mortal resurrection for Christ.
Flesh of the immortal, of course.
Th spirit Christ spoke of was a ghost, and no, it has no flesh. Christ had flesh and bones, and he was the resurrected Christ, fully immortal.
It says hand, back and face.
They have angelic or heavenly bodies.
People after resurrection are not spirits.
Christ did resurrect with a glorified body and said he had flesh and bone.
You have expressed belief in a Christ that died, resurrected but was still mortal. I don't find any support for that belief. I don't believe the converstaion about him raising a symbolic destroyed temple as evidence of a mortal resurrection for Christ.
The “temple” is just something to consider..
I’m not basing my beliefs concerning the aforementioned subjects off of that.
I have much to learn concerning the Bible, so perhaps I don’t have the luxury’s of some in positioning it… So I try and start from the foundation, the corner stone if you will.
Using such a technique…
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)
Jesus is the Word..
John 1:14
14 And the Word [Jesus Christ] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (KJV)
The Bible says we have two bodies, you said both bodies are flesh…
In the beginning was Jesus in some type of flesh body?
I’m not basing my beliefs concerning the aforementioned subjects off of that.
I have much to learn concerning the Bible, so perhaps I don’t have the luxury’s of some in positioning it… So I try and start from the foundation, the corner stone if you will.
Using such a technique…
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)
Jesus is the Word..
John 1:14
14 And the Word [Jesus Christ] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (KJV)
The Bible says we have two bodies, you said both bodies are flesh…
In the beginning was Jesus in some type of flesh body?
Paul said “we” shall not all die… Every one at the time including Paul is dead.
So if Paul was only speaking to those he wrote to, he would be wrong.
However, if he was speaking to all, he is correct.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
God smoke to Moses; Moses spoke to the Israelites… Thou shall not murder” Who was God speaking to? Moses, the Israelites or me.
Or all the above?
So if Paul was only speaking to those he wrote to, he would be wrong.
However, if he was speaking to all, he is correct.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
God smoke to Moses; Moses spoke to the Israelites… Thou shall not murder” Who was God speaking to? Moses, the Israelites or me.
Or all the above?
That is not exactly what he said. It leaves out important info. He didn't say "we" that is added by the translators. He also said those who were alive and remained would not sleep/die. I'm sure he hoped he would be one of them and Christ would return and change and rapture the saints of Paul's day but it was not meant for that time and all died, and have been since.
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But doesn’t that create a contradiction in scripture?
Human bodies are flesh… So if we have two human bodies, we have two flesh bodies..
1 Corinthians
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds
It can’t be both, there is either one flesh for humans (man) or there is more than one flesh.
Human bodies are flesh… So if we have two human bodies, we have two flesh bodies..
1 Corinthians
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds
It can’t be both, there is either one flesh for humans (man) or there is more than one flesh.
setting men apart firm beasts fish and birds strikes me that fish will not be bestowed immortality in the world to come... that is, fish will be dinner...
And the kind of flesh of men is further elaborated on after the introduction to the distinction between the flesh of different kinds of creatures. the natural that will burn in the lake of fire, and the spiritual whose life cannot be extinguished.
It written that it is better to lose a hand then to be thrown into the lake of fire whole.
And the kind of flesh of men is further elaborated on after the introduction to the distinction between the flesh of different kinds of creatures. the natural that will burn in the lake of fire, and the spiritual whose life cannot be extinguished.
It written that it is better to lose a hand then to be thrown into the lake of fire whole.
Any evidence?
Matthew 5:29 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
This is referring to the body of Christ..
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
We as Christians belong to a body, the body has many members…
“What are we talking about? We are a many membered body that makes up the body of Christ's bride. There may be a unit of the body that other parts of the body of Christ are propping up, and giving support to. That is easy to understand, for the home church gives the financial and prayer support to the missionaries that they send into the mission field. It may be a member of the church that is causing the the rest of the church trouble, both by morals, financially, or by what ever means. When one member of that body of Christ "the eye", is causing other members to fall, and turn from Christ's teaching. Jesus is saying that it is better to separate yourself from that one member," the eye" then have the rest of the body of Christ be dragged down with him [her]. ~ TSO
Matthew 5:29 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
This is referring to the body of Christ..
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
We as Christians belong to a body, the body has many members…
“What are we talking about? We are a many membered body that makes up the body of Christ's bride. There may be a unit of the body that other parts of the body of Christ are propping up, and giving support to. That is easy to understand, for the home church gives the financial and prayer support to the missionaries that they send into the mission field. It may be a member of the church that is causing the the rest of the church trouble, both by morals, financially, or by what ever means. When one member of that body of Christ "the eye", is causing other members to fall, and turn from Christ's teaching. Jesus is saying that it is better to separate yourself from that one member," the eye" then have the rest of the body of Christ be dragged down with him [her]. ~ TSO
What are we talking about? We are a many membered body that makes up the body of Christ's bride. There may be a unit of the body that other parts of the body of Christ are propping up, and giving support to. That is easy to understand, for the home church gives the financial and prayer support to the missionaries that they send into the mission field. It may be a member of the church that is causing the the rest of the church trouble, both by morals, financially, or by what ever means. When one member of that body of Christ "the eye", is causing other members to fall, and turn from Christ's teaching. Jesus is saying that it is better to separate yourself from that one member," the eye" then have the rest of the body of Christ be dragged down with him [her].
You've offered 1 Corinthians 12, speaking of the body of Christ, to explain Matthew 5:29, speaking of Jesus' commandments. The context of 1Cor12 that concludes with v. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it." speaks of unity within the body, and nothing about cutting off the hand or plucking out the eye.
I heard a preacher point out that Christ said flesh and bone not flesh and blood. Paul says flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Paul also spoke of Christ being made a life-giving spiritual. But the same chapter uses the term 'spiritual body.' It's spiritual.... but it is a body.
I Joh 3:2 says "and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him: for we shall see Him as He is."
There is a lot we do not understand about this, but we will find out later.
I do not see where angels are said to have bodies of 'flesh and blood' when they appear on earth. Did anyone ever make an angel bleed? They may appear human and interact with humans, but does that mean their bodies are the same? Even if the 'sons of God' could reproduce with humans, that doesn't prove they have flesh like ours or that they have blood, does it?
It irks me to read of Christians calling the whole afterlife 'heaven.' The Bible doesn't directly state anything about 'going to heaven when you die' and the saints meet the Lord Jesus in the air. Christ did say, "And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be." On the other hand, at the end of the book of Revelation, the New Jerusalem descends to the earth.
We are waiting for the new earth, so why would we think eternity is 'in heaven.'
Also, John was told that he would be shown the bride, then saw the New Jerusalem like a bride adorned for her husband. So the New Jerusalem may _be_ the church, or the church and the Old Testament saints. It had the apostles names on it. Instead of walking on streets of gold, some believers may be, metaphorically, streets of gold.
Paul also spoke of Christ being made a life-giving spiritual. But the same chapter uses the term 'spiritual body.' It's spiritual.... but it is a body.
I Joh 3:2 says "and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him: for we shall see Him as He is."
There is a lot we do not understand about this, but we will find out later.
I do not see where angels are said to have bodies of 'flesh and blood' when they appear on earth. Did anyone ever make an angel bleed? They may appear human and interact with humans, but does that mean their bodies are the same? Even if the 'sons of God' could reproduce with humans, that doesn't prove they have flesh like ours or that they have blood, does it?
It irks me to read of Christians calling the whole afterlife 'heaven.' The Bible doesn't directly state anything about 'going to heaven when you die' and the saints meet the Lord Jesus in the air. Christ did say, "And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be." On the other hand, at the end of the book of Revelation, the New Jerusalem descends to the earth.
We are waiting for the new earth, so why would we think eternity is 'in heaven.'
Also, John was told that he would be shown the bride, then saw the New Jerusalem like a bride adorned for her husband. So the New Jerusalem may _be_ the church, or the church and the Old Testament saints. It had the apostles names on it. Instead of walking on streets of gold, some believers may be, metaphorically, streets of gold.
