I Will Bless Those Who Always Observe The Sabbath And Do Not Misuse It. I Will Bless Those Who Do Nothing Evil.”

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ResidentAlien

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Verse 6 explains to what verse 5 is referring. [I wonder if that not ending a sentence with a preposition rule is still a thing] Well, at any rate, verse 6 is talking about eating or not eating (fasting) on certain days of the week.
Are you talking about Jewish laws about fasting on certain days of the week or Roman customs?
 

rstrats

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Are you talking about Jewish laws about fasting on certain days of the week or Roman customs?
That hadn't even been a thought. How would it make a difference with regard to the issue over the applicability of the Sabbath to Christians?
 

ResidentAlien

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That hadn't even been a thought. How would it make a difference with regard to the issue over the applicability of the Sabbath to Christians?
I'm sensing something sketchy about you. You don't seem to like questions. Getting a straight answer from you is like pulling teeth. Not sure what your angle is but you're starting to seem like someone who just likes to be clever. Let's say you're right and Romans 14 isn't talking about the Sabbath, that doesn't change anything. If Christians are obligated to keep the Sabbath simply post the scriptures that says as much.
 

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I know from the scriptures from the beginning that He on the Seventh Rested, so we as Christians have learned to do the same.

And also to Remember The Sabbath to keep it holy, as He did, and soo many other things to do and not to do on the Sabbath.
fThat word 'Remember' seems to be the key word. No mention of the word 'forget'.
 

Grace911

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THE QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE WHOLE POST. SHAME ON YOU. IS THIS YOUR MOTTO? THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PERSONAL POINTS BY TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT. SOUNDS A LOT LIKE SOME MAJOR MEDIA STATIONS WHO DEVOUR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TWIST THINGS AROUND FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA.
 

Magenta

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THE QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE WHOLE POST. SHAME ON YOU. IS THIS YOUR MOTTO? THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PERSONAL POINTS BY TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT. SOUNDS A LOT LIKE SOME MAJOR MEDIA STATIONS WHO DEVOUR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TWIST THINGS AROUND FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA.
The context is not missing at all. Speaking in tongues is not required for salvation, no matter how many lies you tell.
 

Grace911

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The context is not missing at all. Speaking in tongues is not required for salvation, no matter how many lies you tell.
Jul 4, 2023 Post #47



Jesus died in 31 AD.

Holy Spirit given at Pentecost.

There is no salvation except repenting of sin,

Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Accompanied with speaking in tongues.

If you lived and died without this, before 31 AD, maybe you will meet Jesus at the great white throne judgment and have the opportunity then.

We are so blessed to be living at this time, at these end times.

What is the definition of sin?

What happens if you never speak in tongues?

Or if you die before being baptized?

And again, what if you never had the opportunity to know Jesus?

God said He never changes. Jesus is the same past, present, future.

Why so much changing of times and laws?

Will Jesus return a second time and be our King on earth or will all the saints be in heaven?

Who is Jesus’ bride?

If you lived before Jesus, can you also be His bride?

Will King David be raised up since he spoke much about salvation/Yeshua?

July 30, 2023 @6:56 pm These questions were and comments were meant to stir up a healthy conversation. Not to be taken 3 weeks later for you to make your newest JAB. Your behaving poorly. Certainly not as mature Christians. You only think about how you can JAB.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 

ResidentAlien

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I only have one question: Do Sabbath keepers hold one day above the others? End of story.
 

JaumeJ

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I could say, "well that's heavy!" But we know the creation account and how God rested on that Day extending it to us all as a day of rest. No law without mercy need be observed. If I am obliged dto work on the Seventh day, it is a blessing. If I am given to rest on that day, the same.
We all live udner grace in Jesus Yeshua, so there is no need to have a fit about who does or does not observe the Seventh day, but it is a gift from our Father to be with Him, and those who know are with Him every day.
 

rstrats

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ResidentAlien,
re: "You don't seem to like questions. Getting a straight answer from you is like pulling teeth."

Your first question to me: "Are you a Sabbath keeper?" I responded "No".

Your second question to me: "Okay, what verse would you suggest then?" I assumed you were referring to a verse which would be relevant for use to support the idea that Sabbath observance is not applicable for Christians. I said that I couldn't think of any.

Your third question to me: "This is Romans 14:1-8. What do you think is meant by verses 5 & 6?" I replied that verse 6 explains to what verse 5 is referring; that the verse is talking about eating or not eating (fasting) on certain days of the week.

Your fourth question to me: "Are you talking about Jewish laws about fasting on certain days of the week or Roman customs?"
I replied that I hadn't thought about that. Maybe I should have just said "no" but somehow that didn't sound quite right, sort like with the question: "Do you still beat your wife?" BTW, you have a question directed to you in that same post.

Your comment to me in the same post: "Let's say you're right and Romans 14 isn't talking about the Sabbath, that doesn't change anything." It changes the idea that Romans 14 is a proof text for Christians not not having to observe the the Sabbath.

You say "If Christians are obligated to keep the Sabbath simply post the scriptures that says as much." I haven't said here that Christians are obligated to keep the Sabbath. Again, I am merely pointing out that Romans 14 isn't appropriate as a proof text for saying that Sabbath observance doesn't apply to Christians.
 

Angela53510

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Jul 4, 2023 Post #47



Jesus died in 31 AD.

Holy Spirit given at Pentecost.

There is no salvation except repenting of sin,

Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Accompanied with speaking in tongues.

If you lived and died without this, before 31 AD, maybe you will meet Jesus at the great white throne judgment and have the opportunity then.

We are so blessed to be living at this time, at these end times.

What is the definition of sin?

What happens if you never speak in tongues?

Or if you die before being baptized?

And again, what if you never had the opportunity to know Jesus?

God said He never changes. Jesus is the same past, present, future.

Why so much changing of times and laws?

Will Jesus return a second time and be our King on earth or will all the saints be in heaven?

Who is Jesus’ bride?

If you lived before Jesus, can you also be His bride?

Will King David be raised up since he spoke much about salvation/Yeshua?

July 30, 2023 @6:56 pm These questions were and comments were meant to stir up a healthy conversation. Not to be taken 3 weeks later for you to make your newest JAB. Your behaving poorly. Certainly not as mature Christians. You only think about how you can JAB.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:9-end is spurious. Means it was not written by Mark, nor is it the original ending. Regardless of which Bibles include it. The language is distinctly UN-Markian. Mark calls Jesus by his name in the rest of his gospel, suddenly switches to the high Christology of the 2nd century in the last few verses of the book? No!

All those new words not used once in the other 15 1/2 chapters of Mark. Mark ends
in verse 9 with the word gar, meaning "for." It's awkward, for sure. I agree there is a missing ending, but the longer end of Mark, dating very early to the second century AD, is not it! We may never read Marks correct ending in this lifetime!

Therefore don't base your doctrine on it! If you can't support it from the rest of Scripture, it's probably not a doctrine worth having! Hermeneutics 101.
 

ResidentAlien

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ResidentAlien,
re: "You don't seem to like questions. Getting a straight answer from you is like pulling teeth."

Your first question to me: "Are you a Sabbath keeper?" I responded "No".

Your second question to me: "Okay, what verse would you suggest then?" I assumed you were referring to a verse which would be relevant for use to support the idea that Sabbath observance is not applicable for Christians. I said that I couldn't think of any.

Your third question to me: "This is Romans 14:1-8. What do you think is meant by verses 5 & 6?" I replied that verse 6 explains to what verse 5 is referring; that the verse is talking about eating or not eating (fasting) on certain days of the week.

Your fourth question to me: "Are you talking about Jewish laws about fasting on certain days of the week or Roman customs?"
I replied that I hadn't thought about that. Maybe I should have just said "no" but somehow that didn't sound quite right, sort like with the question: "Do you still beat your wife?" BTW, you have a question directed to you in that same post.

Your comment to me in the same post: "Let's say you're right and Romans 14 isn't talking about the Sabbath, that doesn't change anything." It changes the idea that Romans 14 is a proof text for Christians not not having to observe the the Sabbath.

You say "If Christians are obligated to keep the Sabbath simply post the scriptures that says as much." I haven't said here that Christians are obligated to keep the Sabbath. Again, I am merely pointing out that Romans 14 isn't appropriate as a proof text for saying that Sabbath observance doesn't apply to Christians.
Have a blessed day.
 

tourist

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The context is not missing at all. Speaking in tongues is not required for salvation, no matter how many lies you tell.
Some people are tongue-tied I suppose. Are these tongue people the same peeps that play with snakes? :p