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[AnandaHya]

wait Jesus is not an angel... JESUS IS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and greater then angels. the verses below imply that since God never said this to an ANGEL then Jesus is not an angel and therefore can not be the archangel Michael...

Hebrews 1

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:


“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?[c]
And again:


“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?[d]

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:


“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”[e]

7 And of the angels He says:


“ Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”[f]

8 But to the Son He says:


“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”[g]



10 And:



“ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”[h]


13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:



“ Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?



14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

you can see the contrast between the SON and angels.

 

[gotime]

Daniel 10:5-9
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

​

This MAN, is described almost exactly as the JESUS is in Revelation:

​

Revelation 1:12-18
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades"


So if this is the SAME man, as in daniel, and Revelation, then it is The SON who is the glorious man. So if JESUS is the glorious man...lets read the rest of Daniel 10

Daniel 10:10-14
Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.” ​

So this Glorious MAN, (Who i beleive to Be the Imamge of God, the SON of GOD, JESUS CHRIST), HE claims to be seperate from Michael. Michael helped HIM.

That is interesting and I will have to look into it more. but I personally believe it is Gabriel. the reason for this is that we find that it is Gabriel that has appeared to Daniel in the visions before this more than once.

Notice this verse:

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Now are we to believe that Jesus/God himself could not handle a situation and thus had to get the help of an angel?

It is more likely given the evidence in my post above, that Gabriel was with this kingdom and Michael/Jesus/God came to help.

Just some quick thoughts. blessings mate

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Hello my seventh day adventist mission field, it is nice to meet you.

http://www.exadventist.com/

 

[gotime]

wait Jesus is not an angel... JESUS IS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and greater then angels. the verses below imply that since God never said this to an ANGEL then Jesus is not an angel and therefore can not be the archangel Michael...

Hebrews 1

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:


“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?[c]
And again:


“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?[d]

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:


“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”[e]

7 And of the angels He says:


“ Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”[f]

8 But to the Son He says:


“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”[g]



10 And:



“ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”[h]


13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:



“ Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?



14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

you can see the contrast between the SON and angels.

I think that if you read my post it becomes clear that you have misunderstood what arch angel means. Michael is not an angel but rather the chief or master of the angels. Jesus is called in the old testament the angel of the Lord. This does not mean that Jesus is an angel but rather he is the messenger of the Lord. That was why Jesus came, to be a love message from God.

I have never denied that Jesus is God. if you read my post you will see that.

 

[MaggieMye]

There are NO verses that support that the 'angel of the Lord' was Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael (if you're Catholic). To SAY that that verse refers to Michael is to ASSUME something for which there is no support.

 

[gotime]

There are NO verses that support that the 'angel of the Lord' was Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael (if you're Catholic). To SAY that that verse refers to Michael is to ASSUME something for which there is no support.

Hi MaggieMye, This is a scripture sight. so feel free to support your assertions with the Word of God.

 

[Shilo]

I have found that the SDA has one of the most beautiful church sevice I have been to. After they are done with most of the songs they have a children's story time where all the children go to the front of the church and sit on the stairs and listen to one of the church members give a life story that has most often just been in the news. Then they relate it to a person in the bible put before they give the bible persons name they ask the children who it sounds like and most of them have an answer. Even the very small children seem to know their bible. Then a few more songs after that the whole churchs gets on their knees to pray to the LORD.

I do have questions about them

Why do they call Ellen White a prophet when she did not think of herself this way. There are things that she said that were not true. She is a very good teacher in most things.

Why do they think that in the millennium we will be in heaven going over the judgements of GOD and say just and true are your judgements?
They also say that the evilone will be on earth and that is how he is bound for a 1000 years because there is no one for him to tempt.

How many of the commandments do thet belive you should keep is it the 10 or all 613?

Why do thet say you go to church to praise GOD not to get something out of it ( learn something). Learning is done in Sabbath school.

Why do they think they are the remnant church? is it because of Saturday or because of the 3 churches that started at the same time in 1840's?

Why do they feel that they have replaced Israel as GOD's people?

Why do they Feel that the Jews being in Israel is not the work of GOD?

Thank you GOD bless

 

[Deadflesh]

That is interesting and I will have to look into it more. but I personally believe it is Gabriel. the reason for this is that we find that it is Gabriel that has appeared to Daniel in the visions before this more than once.

Notice this verse:

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Now are we to believe that Jesus/God himself could not handle a situation and thus had to get the help of an angel?

It is more likely given the evidence in my post above, that Gabriel was with this kingdom and Michael/Jesus/God came to help.

Just some quick thoughts. blessings mate

Ok Well FIRST of all, thank you for answering me, i wanted to know what was taught becasue..well I didnt know. so thank You.



However, I would like to adress a few things, WHY would an angel be fighting a MAN? An angel would NOT be struggling with a MAN, So the "prince of persia" must be a spiritual description...Persia beign the WORLD at the time...

John 12:31
"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."

Ephesians 2:2
"in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.


So Michael would NOT be strugling with a Mortal MAN, would he?

So, back to the Glorious man, you say it may be Gabriel. Ok, Well:

Daniel 8:15-16
And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, that I sought to understand it; and, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision

Ok the FIRST mention of GABRIEL is in chapter 8. Says, he looks like a man, but he doesnt say he had any extaordinary features.

Then Gabriel is mention AGAIN in chapter 9:21:

"yea, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

So Gabriel is ALWAYS mentioned as a man, and ALWAYS called GABRIEL. Never called anything else, and not described in any other way, but looking like a man. THEN, in chapter 10 It mentions the GLorious man. Daniel DID NOT say he recognized him as GABRIEL, like he did in chapter 9, in reference to chapter 8, THIS was a NEW and GLORIOUS man. and this GLORIOUS man who was NOT Gabriel, talks OF Michael.


So i wonder how this is come acrossed, and WHY? and WHO is the Glorious Man?

 

[Laodicea]

Daniel 10:5-9
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

​

This MAN, is described almost exactly as the JESUS is in Revelation:

​

Revelation 1:12-18
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades"


So if this is the SAME man, as in daniel, and Revelation, then it is The SON who is the glorious man. So if JESUS is the glorious man...lets read the rest of Daniel 10

Daniel 10:10-14
Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.” ​

So this Glorious MAN, (Who i beleive to Be the Imamge of God, the SON of GOD, JESUS CHRIST), HE claims to be seperate from Michael. Michael helped HIM.

If you notice that at the start of verse 10 there is a symbol ¶ that means it is a new thought so while Christ is mentioned in Daniel 10:5-9 verse 10 starts a new thought so from verse 10 could be Gabriel.

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[Laodicea]

Why do they call Ellen White a prophet when she did not think of herself this way. There are things that she said that were not true. She is a very good teacher in most things.

This is the official church teaching on Ellen White
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

This is the site:- Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-Day Adventist World Church

Also for more information go to this site:-http://egwwritings.org

SDA doctrine is based on the Bible not Ellen White any prophet who does not teach according to the Bible is not a true prophet. There is to be no new revelation only what has been revealed seen more clearly, understood better. New light will not take away from the old but agrees with it. For more information on tests of a prophet see the thread called '12 Biblical tests of a Prophet'.

 

[Laodicea]

But the SDA takes their error far further. They teach that the Sabbath is the great dividing issue that will separate the true believers in God from those who are not true Christians and that Sabbath observance is the identifying mark of the remnant church (Rev. 12:17). They wrongly assert that at the end of time, every Christian will be tested upon whether or not they are willing to accept practicing the Sabbath ritual to earn God's favor.

SDA do not teach salvation by works salvation is by grace through faith the purpose of the law is to bring us to Christ and that includes the sabbath.

But the SDA takes their error far further. They teach that the Sabbath is the great dividing issue that will separate the true believers in God from those who are not true Christians and that Sabbath observance is the identifying mark of the remnant church (Rev. 12:17). They wrongly assert that at the end of time, every Christian will be tested upon whether or not they are willing to accept practicing the Sabbath ritual to earn God's favor.

The thing that separated OT Israel from the surrounding nations was the sabbath and when they fell into apostasy they went into captivity.
Exodus 31:13
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exodus 31:17
(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

True Israel today is those inwardly
Romans 2:28-29
(28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 9:6
(6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

So since we are spiritual Israel then the sabbath is still a sign for God's people. Look at how many times the number 7 is mentioned in the book of revelation.
Hebrews 4:9
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Revelation 14:7
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God has His people in all churches
John 10:16
(16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Laodicea]

Why do they Feel that the Jews being in Israel is not the work of GOD?

Thank you GOD bless

Matthew 21:43
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[Laodicea]

This is a site showing the official teachings of the SDA church
Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

 

[iamsoandso]

you on a personal note,,,,and I'm going to try to explain this without giving too much information (my own personal info) ,if you search "Hugh mcfall" he is in ill". he is from Penn. and in about 1845 he moved to Nauxbee co. ms. he is according to the Mormon church the adjudent general of the founders of the Mormon church,problem is hid daughter is my 4th gr. grandmother,and no family member found anywhere in my family is "lds",they were "Presbyterian","others baptist",,,now when you ask the lds,, they give you the info they have for "a Hugh mcfall",that is the one in my family,,,,but he's not the one from the lds.,,,,,,,,,,which is interesting,that you put a 'tombstone",,,,,,,,,,search for tombstones,,our ancestors more than half the time used the name "yoshua" on their grave that is the "older ones" and not "Jesus" the name Jesus became popular after the kjv was circulated in the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,,,point is though,,,,,,in the 1600's 1700's they didn't have a clue we would one day have a computer or a camera,,,,,,,,,,,and they did not understand that in the Americas,there were no "cattle",,,,,"chickens",,,,"sheep",,,,"horses",they were all brought from Europe and Asia so when they wrote the "book of Mormon",,,,,,,,,,,so without knowing men would see it in the future,they described battles "with horse drawn chariots" ,sacrifices made to god of "animals not from the Americas",,"shields and swords,used in battle",that were never found by archeologist.,,,,,now i know a man,"who is employed for the co. that moves the Qumran manuscripts" from site to site,,,,,,,,,,,,i didn't converse to much about the "dead sea scrolls",with him as much as the "original manuscripts of the new testament",from the "British museum" ,i was working on the only fragment of the "rev. of john",that is the book of rev.,,,,,,,,,,,why is the dead sea scrolls from archeology,were sealed into the caves at Qumran at least by ad 68,,,,jude quotes from Enoch (you all argue about),,,,,but also "second peter",,which we know was written in ad 66,,,,,,,,,,,the Romans documented that they had seized control of the area of the dead sea by ad 68 ,,,,,but the book of rev. written by john was not written until ad 96 on pat mos,,,,,which is at least 28 years after the "revaluation,of the Qumran manuscripts" at the dead sea,,,,,,,,,now don't take this of "offense",i do believe,,,,,,,,, the "rev.given to john" is also ,,,"fact",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kind of like the books of gad and nathon ,,well you have them in you hands "but do not recognize them",but if you knew you already had them you would see the scripture's different.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I

have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe

and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather

help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I

will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about

a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those

who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not

respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed

Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you

may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much

about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a

pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please

afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

Friend,

Dear gotime:

Can a man or woman be saved without praying especially on Saturdays (the old Sabbath)?

Can a person not be saved by choosing to pray on some day other than just Saturdays? Shouldn't we

pray every day, not just on the Sabbath? Does the Law of Moses save us? If so, what does the Epistle

of St. Paul to the Hebrews say? Doesn't that book of the NT prove that Christ's blood is what saves us,

not the Sabbath regulations of the OT?

God bless you. In Erie Scott R. Harrington PS I used to be a Pentecostal, but I have not ever been

tempted to become a Seventh-Day Adventist! The Seventh Day Adventists didn't even exist until the

nineteenth Century, and Saint Paul, Saint Peter, Saint Andrew, Saint John, Saint James, Saint Thomas,

and the other Apostles of Christ were not Seventh Day Adventists. And it is a false religion based on

a woman, and 1 Corinthians 14 proves to us that God forbids women to have authority over men in the

Church. But the 7th Day Adventists hold Mrs. E.G. White as their Prophetess. And they base their

doctrine of everything based on a revisionist reinterpretation of the failed false prophecy of William

Miller regarding the supposed Second Coming of Christ which did not happen in 1843 and in 1844.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

I have found that the SDA has one of the most beautiful church sevice I have been to.

After they are done with most of the songs they have a children's story time where all the children go to

the front of the church and sit on the stairs and listen to one of the church members give a life story that

has most often just been in the news. Then they relate it to a person in the bible put before they give the

bible persons name they ask the children who it sounds like and most of them have an answer. Even the

very small children seem to know their bible. Then a few more songs after that the whole churchs gets on

their knees to pray to the LORD.

I do have questions about them

Why do they call Ellen White a prophet when she did not think of herself this way. There are things that

she said that were not true. She is a very good teacher in most things.

Why do they think that in the millennium we will be in heaven going over the judgements of GOD and say

just and true are your judgements?

They also say that the evilone will be on earth and that is how he is bound for a 1000 years because

there is no one for him to tempt.

How many of the commandments do thet belive you should keep is it the 10 or all 613?

Why do thet say you go to church to praise GOD not to get something out of it ( learn something).

Learning is done in Sabbath school.

Why do they think they are the remnant church? is it because of Saturday or because of the 3 churches

that started at the same time in 1840's?

Why do they feel that they have replaced Israel as GOD's people?

Why do they Feel that the Jews being in Israel is not the work of GOD?

Thank you GOD bless

Dear friend:

Mrs. Ellen G. White is a very bad, false teacher, and wrong in just about everything that she said.

In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[AnandaHya]

This is the official church teaching on Ellen White
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)
=]

that is kind of disturbing... what happens when some of her "prophecies" and teaching are found to be false or contrary to the Bible whose "authority" or "truth" is accepted?

 

[gotime]

that is kind of disturbing... what happens when some of her "prophecies" and teaching are found to be false or contrary to the Bible whose "authority" or "truth" is accepted?

If her teachings or prophecies are found to be false then she is not a prophet of God. This is the same for anyone who prophecies.

 

[gotime]

Friend,

Dear gotime:

Can a man or woman be saved without praying especially on Saturdays (the old Sabbath)?

Can a person not be saved by choosing to pray on some day other than just Saturdays? Shouldn't we

pray every day, not just on the Sabbath? Does the Law of Moses save us? If so, what does the Epistle

of St. Paul to the Hebrews say? Doesn't that book of the NT prove that Christ's blood is what saves us,

not the Sabbath regulations of the OT?

God bless you. In Erie Scott R. Harrington PS I used to be a Pentecostal, but I have not ever been

tempted to become a Seventh-Day Adventist! The Seventh Day Adventists didn't even exist until the

nineteenth Century, and Saint Paul, Saint Peter, Saint Andrew, Saint John, Saint James, Saint Thomas,

and the other Apostles of Christ were not Seventh Day Adventists. And it is a false religion based on

a woman, and 1 Corinthians 14 proves to us that God forbids women to have authority over men in the

Church. But the 7th Day Adventists hold Mrs. E.G. White as their Prophetess. And they base their

doctrine of everything based on a revisionist reinterpretation of the failed false prophecy of William

Miller regarding the supposed Second Coming of Christ which did not happen in 1843 and in 1844.

Hi, thanx for your reply. I would counsel you to do some more research or stop talking about the Adventist church. the reason is you clearly do not understand what we teach.

you said:

Can a man or woman be saved without praying especially on Saturdays (the old Sabbath)?

My reply is what "old Sabbath" ? there is only one Sabbath in the whole Bible concerning a day. namely the 7th day Sabbath.

the other error in your question is the assertion that we believe that you can only pray on the Sabbath. I am not sure where you got that one. It is the first time I have seen it. maybe I am misunderstanding you.

You said:

Shouldn't we

pray every day, not just on the Sabbath?

agreed. pray without ceasing.

You Said:

Does the Law of Moses save us?

I say no. there has never been any law that could save us. it is Christ and Christ alone and his blood shed on Calvary that saves us. praise be to God.

Again this shows me that you misunderstand our position. I am not saying that you should look into what we believe more. that is your choice but again. please do not speak of others in ignorance lest you bring condemnation upon yourself. It is against Gods way to bare false witness.

you said:

Apostles of Christ were not Seventh Day Adventists.

should you really make such claims when you don't really know what we believe?

Look basically you obviously do not know much about what we teach and why. I could address all your assertions and questions but it really comes down to the same thing. you don't really know what we believe or teach. I am sure you have read some things. maybe no some who claim to be SDA. but you don't actually know what we believe. I speak of what I know. you speak of things you do not know. so please afford some respect when casting accusations on a group.

God bless you.

 

[duewell]

well, i find this to be interesting. i really don't know anything about a lot of the different branches of Christianity and their teachings. the understanding of an angel being another name of Jesus is a perspective i have not heard before. i do not think i can agree with it though. angels or archangels are just that, angels. while i have no problem with angles being princes, Jesus is king. to say that the work the angles did in the old testament was Jesus under another name is a stretch of logic and understanding the word.

God is love and and God is truth. ultimate love and ultimate truth. love is not hidden and the truth will not be presented as a lie. no one is allowed to present themselves as anything other than who they are. no one. the bible says that even the devil can appear as an angel of light. the devil under no circumstances can claim to be anything other than what the devil is, the devil. the devil may allude and let you come to your own conclusions without answering. if you meet an angel and are graced with their name, that is their name. Gabriel is Gabriel and Michael is Michael even lucifer is lucifer. you will never meet one claiming to be the other. to do so will create biblical proportions of divine involvement. the simplest question you can ask anyone, human or angel is this, "Who is your king?"

Jesus is the son of God and always has been. Jesus would not claim to be anything other than what Jesus is, the son of God. the ten commandments are very clear on this. thou shall not bear false witness. Jesus does not sin. if any being appears to someone and ask them to violate one of the 10 commandments you can be sure of one thing, they are not of God. leading someone into sin is a sin. those who seek to do so are not of truth and love. they do not serve God.

i know i kinda went off on a tangent there, i usually do. sorry about that. i just think the bible can be hard to understand if you start confusing who is who. the bible is truth. there is no misrepresentation in the bible. or it would not be truth. the players named are the players involved. God will always be God, Jesus will always be Jesus, the Spirit will always be the Spirit. only true names are written in the book of life.

Duewell
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