How We Can Tell If We Possess The Agape of God
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If it wasn’t the business of Christians to be concerned with the salvation of others, what need would there be to share the Gospel? It is most definitely our business.
As for why I asked if you’re saved, your answer would be revealing to your understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Do you make the mistake of “trampling underfoot the Son of God” by ignoring His work ( the shedding of His blood for your sins) and replacing it with anything that is based in merit?
Salvation is a gift and not a debt; the saved work but they do not work for their salvation.
Don’t put the cart before the horse. The righteous endure. The righteous overcome and who is it that overcomes but they that believe in the Son of God? In some ways you can interpret your salvation model as one’s capacity to love. Where as the Gospel’s salvation model is God’s love for mankind; God sending His Son not to condemn the world but save it through His sacrifice and resurrection.
As for why I asked if you’re saved, your answer would be revealing to your understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Do you make the mistake of “trampling underfoot the Son of God” by ignoring His work ( the shedding of His blood for your sins) and replacing it with anything that is based in merit?
Salvation is a gift and not a debt; the saved work but they do not work for their salvation.
Don’t put the cart before the horse. The righteous endure. The righteous overcome and who is it that overcomes but they that believe in the Son of God? In some ways you can interpret your salvation model as one’s capacity to love. Where as the Gospel’s salvation model is God’s love for mankind; God sending His Son not to condemn the world but save it through His sacrifice and resurrection.
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you spelled "truth" wrong.
Nah, He saves us as long as we are in a loving, surrendered relationship with Him - good works are merely the evidence of that relationship.
You mean, abide in the Vine continually in that loving relationship and enjoy the privilege of knowing and serving the One with most magnificent character and heart there is, and don't turn our back on Him and go shack up with the devil, while calling ourselves "faithful", "obedient", "more than conquerors", etc. -- which idea to which the OSAS crowd is opposed, seeing they want God and Satan to both have JOINT CUSTODY of us (BTW, no such thing as "eternal torment").
I assure you, what is messed up is people demanding God tolerate their habitual unfaithfulness, while standing ready to hand their spouse divorce papers for one single instance of infidelity.
Nah, He saves us as long as we are in a loving, surrendered relationship with Him - good works are merely the evidence of that relationship.
You mean, abide in the Vine continually in that loving relationship and enjoy the privilege of knowing and serving the One with most magnificent character and heart there is, and don't turn our back on Him and go shack up with the devil, while calling ourselves "faithful", "obedient", "more than conquerors", etc. -- which idea to which the OSAS crowd is opposed, seeing they want God and Satan to both have JOINT CUSTODY of us (BTW, no such thing as "eternal torment").
I assure you, what is messed up is people demanding God tolerate their habitual unfaithfulness, while standing ready to hand their spouse divorce papers for one single instance of infidelity.
I already responded to what you said about Matthew 24. The fact that it deals with the end times "time of trouble" does nothing to overthrow what I've presented here in this thread. Jesus unveils to us the state of affairs that will prevail just before He returns, and included in that is His contrast between the "many" Saints who allow the practice of iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead, and the Saints who will "endure to the end" and be "saved".
So far, all you've done is attempt to deflect from my spiritual proposition with speculation that I might be taking things out of context, searching to confirm a preconceive notion, or torturing a verse to establish an unBiblical conclusion, all without one shred of evidence.
What you need to do is explain why the "many" are not Saints without appealing to the false eschatology of Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism, because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV is clear that when Jesus comes "as a thief in the night", the Earth is not going to go on for another 7 minutes, let alone 7 more years, right or wrong?
So far, all you've done is attempt to deflect from my spiritual proposition with speculation that I might be taking things out of context, searching to confirm a preconceive notion, or torturing a verse to establish an unBiblical conclusion, all without one shred of evidence.
What you need to do is explain why the "many" are not Saints without appealing to the false eschatology of Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism, because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV is clear that when Jesus comes "as a thief in the night", the Earth is not going to go on for another 7 minutes, let alone 7 more years, right or wrong?
Let's get something straight, pal. You did not ask that question in sincerity, but provocatively, because a sincere Christian would have done so DISCREETLY, NOT PUBLICLY.
So, let's not clothe ourselves with the dignity of the church, while circulating amongst the brethren with ulterior motives...that's how all the trouble got started in heaven, did it not?
So, let's not clothe ourselves with the dignity of the church, while circulating amongst the brethren with ulterior motives...that's how all the trouble got started in heaven, did it not?
Perhaps you missed the evidence I presented, which points out the period of time Jesus was talking about and His reminder of the prophesied salvation from those terrible events: (everything highlighted green is a direct reference to the tribulation(70th week of Daniel).
Matthew 24:15 is explicit that what Daniel wrote about will happen (a very specific future event).
Do you even know what the Abomination of Desolation is going to be?
1. This is a foolish request. It's like telling a man, who claims to be the strongest man, to prove himself...but without using his strength.
2. The day of the Lord comes "like a thief in the night" because everyone whom it comes upon will be unsuspecting. In that passage, Peter calls them "mockers" (2 Pet 3:3). Jude clarifies that these mockers are not born again (Jude 18-19). The OT prophets referred to them as "the wicked" (Ps 1:5; Job 22:30). John describes them as those "whose names were never written in the book of life" (Rev 13:8, 17:8). The day of the Lord will come suddenly upon the ungodly.
3. wrong...because Peter is not giving a detailed description of the events of the Day of the Lord. He is emphasizing one aspect of it to make a point related to his earlier comment of how he destroyed the earth by water...but this time it will be by fire. There are hundreds of passages throughout the Bible that mention events and where they will take place during the Day of the Lord. These events are summarized in Revelation chapters 6-19, ending with the 2nd coming of Jesus. In short, the Day of the Lord spans from the beginning of the Tribulation (probably triggered by the invasion of Gog [Ezk 38-39]) to the end of the Millennium.
Matthew 24:15 is explicit that what Daniel wrote about will happen (a very specific future event).
Do you even know what the Abomination of Desolation is going to be?
1. This is a foolish request. It's like telling a man, who claims to be the strongest man, to prove himself...but without using his strength.
2. The day of the Lord comes "like a thief in the night" because everyone whom it comes upon will be unsuspecting. In that passage, Peter calls them "mockers" (2 Pet 3:3). Jude clarifies that these mockers are not born again (Jude 18-19). The OT prophets referred to them as "the wicked" (Ps 1:5; Job 22:30). John describes them as those "whose names were never written in the book of life" (Rev 13:8, 17:8). The day of the Lord will come suddenly upon the ungodly.
3. wrong...because Peter is not giving a detailed description of the events of the Day of the Lord. He is emphasizing one aspect of it to make a point related to his earlier comment of how he destroyed the earth by water...but this time it will be by fire. There are hundreds of passages throughout the Bible that mention events and where they will take place during the Day of the Lord. These events are summarized in Revelation chapters 6-19, ending with the 2nd coming of Jesus. In short, the Day of the Lord spans from the beginning of the Tribulation (probably triggered by the invasion of Gog [Ezk 38-39]) to the end of the Millennium.
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You talk a load of rubbish do you know that?
It is Peter who describes the law as a yoke which neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear, and it is Moses which considered fidelity in marriage so grievous that he allowed them to write a bill of divorce.
What we say about the law is that it is good and spiritual but because we are weak and fleshly we have been proved incapable of keeping it. It shows us what sinners we are but it is incapable of either forgiving us or amending our wayward hearts.
The law cannot save us. It cannot change our hearts.
What God does with the new birth is give us a new heart, a new inner life, even the life of Christ Himself. Something you know nothing about.
It is Peter who describes the law as a yoke which neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear, and it is Moses which considered fidelity in marriage so grievous that he allowed them to write a bill of divorce.
What we say about the law is that it is good and spiritual but because we are weak and fleshly we have been proved incapable of keeping it. It shows us what sinners we are but it is incapable of either forgiving us or amending our wayward hearts.
The law cannot save us. It cannot change our hearts.
What God does with the new birth is give us a new heart, a new inner life, even the life of Christ Himself. Something you know nothing about.
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Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear.
Philippians 2:12
13. Ephesians 6:10 “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.
No, your post was a kind gesture toward both sides of the issue, and I appreciate the "peacemaker" aspect of that.
However, one inspired writer wrote, "Jesus never purchased peace through compromise." We must always stand against error, and OSAS is not Biblical
However, one inspired writer wrote, "Jesus never purchased peace through compromise." We must always stand against error, and OSAS is not Biblical
once saved always saved is bunk. having to do good works to maintain salvation is bunk.
so, you are as wrong as they are.
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No, your post was a kind gesture toward both sides of the issue, and I appreciate the "peacemaker" aspect of that.
However, one inspired writer wrote, "Jesus never purchased peace through compromise." We must always stand against error, and OSAS is not Biblical
However, one inspired writer wrote, "Jesus never purchased peace through compromise." We must always stand against error, and OSAS is not Biblical
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our Good Husband gave His life to save His adulterous, wicked, sinful bride
if God does not forgive sinners and remain faithful to them even when they are unfaithful to Him, then there is no such thing as salvation.
which is why people who do not believe in His faithfulness preach 'temporary provisional life' instead of the eternal life Christ promises, why they preach 'eternal insecurity' and law, rather than the riches of His grace and mercy, and why they preach a 'non-salvation' that has everything to do themselves rather than actual salvation that has everything to do with God.
this is why JW's stand in your driveway and attack the goodness of God. they believe it is how they are saved -- they think they are earning their way into glory by the abundance of their traffic, and they will be damned if they don't spend their weekends preaching lies door-to-door.
if God does not forgive sinners and remain faithful to them even when they are unfaithful to Him, then there is no such thing as salvation.
which is why people who do not believe in His faithfulness preach 'temporary provisional life' instead of the eternal life Christ promises, why they preach 'eternal insecurity' and law, rather than the riches of His grace and mercy, and why they preach a 'non-salvation' that has everything to do themselves rather than actual salvation that has everything to do with God.
this is why JW's stand in your driveway and attack the goodness of God. they believe it is how they are saved -- they think they are earning their way into glory by the abundance of their traffic, and they will be damned if they don't spend their weekends preaching lies door-to-door.
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proclaiming to you that salvation is not by works, not by will, desire or effort of man but by the mercy & grace of God through faith, is not tantamount to 'complaining that God's commandments are too grievous'
believe what is written: we are not under the law
if you do not believe this, what makes you think you're a Christian?
because you think Christ died for nothing?
shall i go around telling people you are complaining that salvation is unbelievable?
believe what is written: we are not under the law
if you do not believe this, what makes you think you're a Christian?
because you think Christ died for nothing?
shall i go around telling people you are complaining that salvation is unbelievable?
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17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
18But in fact, God has arranged the members of the body, every one of them, according to His design.…
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. b 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
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