How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[TheDivineWatermark]

[nobody is arguing that Paul writes about

nobody is arguing AGAINST that Paul writes about...



Of course he writes about what the man of sin does at the MID-point of the 7 yrs, but the "man of sin's" ARRIVAL takes place well prior to that point and Paul is covering THAT aspect of him ALSO (Paul is covering the ENTIRE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD in 2Th2--just like Matt24 does--just like Rev4:1 to chpt 19 end does--etc etc...)




gotta run...

 

[DavidTree]

2Th2:4 "who... SITTETH" (parallel Rev13:5-7) is not the first action (on the world-scene) of the "man of sin / ac"...

... his "whose COMING [/ ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia]" is

(and that is much earlier than the MID-point that Rev13:5-7 is referencing)





[nobody is arguing that Paul writes about the "man of sin" in his MID-point actions (2:4); but his actions (on the world-scene) commence WELL-PRIOR to that point! (2Th2:9a, etc)--Paul is covering THAT point in the chronology ALSO]

The first action is the falling away....

 

[CS1]

The first action is the falling away....

happen already

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The first action is the falling away....

That word is speaking of something that comes "FIRST" (BEFORE "the DOTL" is present to unfold upon the earth with its "man of sin"--so is NOT *IN IT* / *WITHIN IT* as a part of IT [like "the man of sin" is!])




[let the readers note: the Greeks had a word for "TO FALL"--"pipto"--and this Greek word (in 2Th2:3) is NOT THAT WORD!!]

 

[rayzor]

2Th2:4 "who... SITTETH" (parallel Rev13:5-7) is not the first action (on the world-scene) of the "man of sin / ac"...

... his "whose COMING [/ ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia]" is

(and that is much earlier than the MID-point that Rev13:5-7 is referencing)

Well even now. and way back then. How could the man of sin b any one but the devil?



[nobody is arguing that Paul writes about the "man of sin" in his MID-point actions (2:4); but his actions (on the world-scene) commence WELL-PRIOR to that point! (2Th2:9a, etc)--Paul is covering THAT point in the chronology ALSO]

 

[DavidTree]

That word is speaking of something that comes "FIRST" (BEFORE "the DOTL" is present to unfold upon the earth with its "man of sin"--so is NOT *IN IT* / *WITHIN IT* as a part of IT [like "the man of sin" is!])




[let the readers note: the Greeks had a word for "TO FALL"--"pipto"--and this Greek word (in 2Th2:3) is NOT THAT WORD!!]

It very simple and straight forward by Paul so that a child can understand - No one will be Left Behind.

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed.

Straight forward - Our being gathered to Christ is the Day of the Lord = His Second Coming.

Remember when i told you God has many names but is the same God.
Same with us His Body/His Elect/His Church/ the Saints/ Overcomers/His Bride.

His Second Coming / His Return is the Day of the Lord = SAME DAY

His Return is for the Resurrection First and Foremost, attached to this is the Rapture AFTER the Resurrection.
His Return is in the AIR at FIRST - Why is it you do not understand this??? i can preach a whole message on this beautiful DAY.
His Return is JUDGEMENT upon the 'rebellion' led by the Beast System detailed in 2 Thess 2 and in Revelation.

Do you believe our Lord Jesus Christ is bringing the Saints with Him at His Second Coming?

 

[DavidTree]

happen already

in full swing and continuing as they wait for their 'son of perdition'.

We wait for the Coming of our Lord and Savior.

 

[CS1]

in full swing and continuing as they wait for their 'son of perdition'.

We wait for the Coming of our Lord and Savior.

I think so, the great error and mount of Biblical literacy is causing this great falling away that is continuing today I think it started 2008

 

[ewq1938]

The first action is the falling away....

He thinks the falling away is the rapture.

 

[TheLearner]

the day of the lord is a day of calamity?evil

An example of the calamity would be the plagues of Egypt and the plagues in Revelation.

 

[TheLearner]

Angela53510 said:
The Didache is not inspired. I translated it in 2nd year Biblical Greek. Some things directly quote the Bible, others paraphrase, as this does in many places, and other things are not Biblical.


AMEN!

Frankly FYI some early churches and church fathers considered it to be scripture and quoted it as such. You can find information on this in F. F. Bruce's book on Cannon of the NT.

 

[TheLearner]

d&c 59 i think? [u shall love god with all your heart soul and might]

The BOM and other of their books simply copied parts of the Bible into their books. For example there is a good book by the Tanners on the black hole in the BOM.

 

[TheLearner]

Which is why I am familiar with the Writings of Papias and Polycarp. They show us quite a bit how the Church was still Continuing well after 70 A.D. into the First Century Itself.

 

[TheLearner]

no no that's not possible but i could b worshiping a false god.u see god made use both!..He Created All thing as a matter of fact.

friend, are you an LDS? And, do you believe that God was once a man?

 

[TheLearner]

yes amen, HE does yet Evil when God makes it is not sin it is a method in which HE chooses to use for HIS own will and HE is right in doing it.

it's that simple. God used evil and did not sin when HE did the subtle suggestion by some here is just that.

New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

New Living Translation
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.

English Standard Version
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Berean Study Bible
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

New American Standard Bible
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things.

NASB 1995
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

NASB 1977
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

Amplified Bible
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing peace and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things.

Christian Standard Bible
I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I, Yahweh, do all these things.”

American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For he formed light and he created darkness, he made peace and he created evil. I AM LORD JEHOVAH, I who have done all these things

Brenton Septuagint Translation
I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things.

Contemporary English Version
I create light and darkness, happiness and sorrow. I, the LORD, do all this.

Douay-Rheims Bible
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

English Revised Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.

Good News Translation
I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the LORD, do all these things.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.

International Standard Version
"I form light and create darkness, I make goodness and create disaster. I am the LORD, who does all these things.

JPS Tanakh 1917
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.

Literal Standard Version
Forming light, and creating darkness, Making peace, and creating calamity, I [am] YHWH, doing all these things.

NET Bible
I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; the one who brings about peace and creates calamity. I am the LORD, who accomplishes all these things.

New Heart English Bible
I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create calamity. I am the LORD, who does all these things.

World English Bible
I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create calamity. I am Yahweh, who does all these things.

Young's Literal Translation
Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

 

[rayzor]

friend, are you an LDS? And, do you believe that God was once a man?

No that was not the context.When he heard Mormen he stop listening.But the point was truth can be heard in unlikely places i quoted duet 6:5 from their book d&c 59 same words

 

[TheLearner]

No, it's correctly translated and so are these:


Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:
...
Micah 1:12 For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem.

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
God stirred up animosity between Abimelek and the citizens of Shechem so that they acted treacherously against Abimelek.

New Living Translation
God sent a spirit that stirred up trouble between Abimelech and the leading citizens of Shechem, and they revolted.

English Standard Version
And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem, and the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,

Berean Study Bible
God sent a spirit of animosity between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem and caused them to treat Abimelech deceitfully,

King James Bible
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

New King James Version
God sent a spirit of ill will between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,

New American Standard Bible
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem; and the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,

NASB 1995
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,

NASB 1977
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,

Amplified Bible
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem; and the leaders of Shechem acted treacherously against Abimelech,

Christian Standard Bible
God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the citizens of Shechem. They treated Abimelech deceitfully,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the lords of Shechem. They treated Abimelech deceitfully,

American Standard Version
And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And God sent an evil spirit upon Abimelek and upon the Lords of Shekeem, and the Masters of Shekeem were treacherous toward Abimelek

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Sicima; and the men of Sicima dealt treacherously with the house of Abimelech:

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the Lord sent a very evil spirit between Abimelech and the inhabitants of Sichem: who began to detest him,

English Revised Version
And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

Good News Translation
Then God made Abimelech and the men of Shechem hostile to each other, and they rebelled against Abimelech.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then God sent an evil spirit to cause problems between Abimelech and citizens of Shechem. So citizens of Shechem turned against Abimelech.

International Standard Version
Then God sent an evil spirit to divide Abimelech and the "lords" of Shechem

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech;

Literal Standard Version
and God sends an evil spirit between Abimelech and the masters of Shechem, and the masters of Shechem deal treacherously with Abimelech,

NET Bible
God sent a spirit to stir up hostility between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem. He made the leaders of Shechem disloyal to Abimelech.

New Heart English Bible
And God sent a spirit of hostility between Abimelech and the lords of Shechem; and the lords of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

 

[TheLearner]

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Tree of the knowledge of good and CALAMITY lol

You are guilty of a word study fallacy friend.

 

[TheLearner]

I am saying that the Lord causes calamity. The Bible shows us that God brings it upon the wicked (Sodom and Gomorrah, the sons of Korah, the Amalakites, etc. His calamity is also called His wrath/judgment/distress/etc in many places. God will go to great lengths to warn people of the seriousness of sin by bringing calamity upon them.
Sometimes, calamity can come from other sources (when he allows it), but also, directly from God.

 

[rayzor]

NET Bible
God sent a spirit to stir up hostility.There's a point lost in this version.That god uses tools of darkness =[bad guy spirits] for the purpose of grace.