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Yes, you repent, a way to say it in the old english would be to say repent ye (ye being the plural form of you) if we go to the older english text. we do see the pluyral word used, and YE will recieve the gift of the spirit) The gift of the spirit is based on repenting, Not being baptized. those who were water baptized in vs 41 already recieved remmision of sin, and the gift of the spirit
So when Jesus spoke of people receiving Him in the future it did not include you. Got it.
It happens present tense for those who receive Him.
But those words were spoken by Jesus two thousand years ago about future events.
That means future tense also, just as I said.
Not much point belaboring this further.
It happens present tense for those who receive Him.
But those words were spoken by Jesus two thousand years ago about future events.
That means future tense also, just as I said.
Not much point belaboring this further.
Here is the verse:
John 3:15-18
New International Version
15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
This verse is not in any way, shape or form written in the definitive. It is rather general in nature, it is your theology blinders that is not letting you see this simple truth. You see these verses as explicit and all encompassing because you need them to be but it is far from it.
John 3:15-18
New International Version
15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
This verse is not in any way, shape or form written in the definitive. It is rather general in nature, it is your theology blinders that is not letting you see this simple truth. You see these verses as explicit and all encompassing because you need them to be but it is far from it.
The Greek verb used is in the form Aorist Infinitive Active:
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The aorist infinitive active in grammar refers to the following:
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The aorist infinitive active in grammar refers to the following:
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Stuck in the English???
So all the English translations got it wrong? But you got it right. Kudos.
So what about all the others translations in languages besides English? Are they wrong also?
I can tell you this, the following translations have the standard understanding of Acts 2:38 as in English.
Spanish French German Flemish Arabic Romanian Vietnamese Turkish Portuguese Dutch Cantonese Russian Polish Hindi Tamil Japanese
I suspect you are simply blinded by a theology.
Or maybe you are the greatest Greek scholar of all time.
So all the English translations got it wrong? But you got it right. Kudos.
So what about all the others translations in languages besides English? Are they wrong also?
I can tell you this, the following translations have the standard understanding of Acts 2:38 as in English.
Spanish French German Flemish Arabic Romanian Vietnamese Turkish Portuguese Dutch Cantonese Russian Polish Hindi Tamil Japanese
I suspect you are simply blinded by a theology.
Or maybe you are the greatest Greek scholar of all time.
Yes lets look at the conversation
1. Jesus said, unless you are born again, you will not see the kingdom of God.
2. Nicodemus asks, How can these things Be.
3. jesus answer.
1. Like moses lifted the serpent, so too must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes will not perish, but have eternal life. for God so loved the world. that whoever believes will not perish but has eternal life. He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already
2. The context is being born again, why must we be born again, Because we are dead. that is a definitive fact.
3. The promise is to who? The world. For God so loved the world.. everyone - That is definitive, why? Everyone in the world is dead.
4. Who are the beneficiaries (who is born again or made alive?) whoever..
a. Whoever places their FAITH in Jesus. this is definitive..
b. Whoever places their faith - This is definitive - its not a suggestion, it is a command.
c. He who believes, as apposed to he who does nto believe - again, this is definitive,
5. What do they receive.
a. They will never perish - this is not a suggestion, it is not something that may happen, Jesus said this is a fact. it is definitive, they will never die
b. They have eternal life, ie, they will live forever, it is no something that might happen, it will happen, it is definitive. it is all based on the promise of God.
6. the other definitive thing, is that nothing else is involved. I am not made alive because I was water baptized or did any other work. I will not live forever because I was water baptized or did any other work this is also a definitive statement.
So you are wrong in your assumption and statement
1. Jesus said, unless you are born again, you will not see the kingdom of God.
2. Nicodemus asks, How can these things Be.
3. jesus answer.
1. Like moses lifted the serpent, so too must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes will not perish, but have eternal life. for God so loved the world. that whoever believes will not perish but has eternal life. He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already
2. The context is being born again, why must we be born again, Because we are dead. that is a definitive fact.
3. The promise is to who? The world. For God so loved the world.. everyone - That is definitive, why? Everyone in the world is dead.
4. Who are the beneficiaries (who is born again or made alive?) whoever..
a. Whoever places their FAITH in Jesus. this is definitive..
b. Whoever places their faith - This is definitive - its not a suggestion, it is a command.
c. He who believes, as apposed to he who does nto believe - again, this is definitive,
5. What do they receive.
a. They will never perish - this is not a suggestion, it is not something that may happen, Jesus said this is a fact. it is definitive, they will never die
b. They have eternal life, ie, they will live forever, it is no something that might happen, it will happen, it is definitive. it is all based on the promise of God.
6. the other definitive thing, is that nothing else is involved. I am not made alive because I was water baptized or did any other work. I will not live forever because I was water baptized or did any other work this is also a definitive statement.
So you are wrong in your assumption and statement
Well yes
1. The new English translations are not quite as clear as the old English ones.
and even then, none of them really portray what peter said.. The bible was not written in english, Which by the way, is a flawed language in itself.
I am blinded by theology or you are?
Let write it using the rules of language.
And peter said, all of you repent (2nd person plural) , and let He she be baptized (third person singular) for the remission of sin, and all of you (2nd person plural) will receive the gift of the spirit.
Now tell me, How does that make sense?
1. The new English translations are not quite as clear as the old English ones.
and even then, none of them really portray what peter said.. The bible was not written in english, Which by the way, is a flawed language in itself.
I am blinded by theology or you are?
Let write it using the rules of language.
And peter said, all of you repent (2nd person plural) , and let He she be baptized (third person singular) for the remission of sin, and all of you (2nd person plural) will receive the gift of the spirit.
Now tell me, How does that make sense?
Also relevant to the topic is Peter's answer to those who believed in Jesus. When they asked, "What must we do?" Peter answer was NOT you don't have to do anything else, you're good, you believe in Jesus. His answer to them and all who stood by was, "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:36-42) It was at the point that they believed and obeyed that they were added onto the body of Christ.
Once again you are blinded by what you want the verse to mean.
You are not going to convince anyone that you have uncovered the error of all the Bibles that have been printed.
There are no Bibles, old or new, English or not that translate this verse in the manner that you suggest.
This is just a sad attempt to not accept the Word of God as written and force a carnal man made understanding instead.
You are simply mocking the Word of God with silly and sly composition tricks. The only ones who believe such nonsense are the the ones who want to be deceived.
You are not going to convince anyone that you have uncovered the error of all the Bibles that have been printed.
There are no Bibles, old or new, English or not that translate this verse in the manner that you suggest.
This is just a sad attempt to not accept the Word of God as written and force a carnal man made understanding instead.
You are simply mocking the Word of God with silly and sly composition tricks. The only ones who believe such nonsense are the the ones who want to be deceived.
I take the verse literally. as written.. I am not the one blinded my friend.
I Am not trying to. All i am doing is proving peter did not say what alot of epople think he said..
lol.. Its ok. Go ahead and think you are justified, saved by your work.
I will not try to stop you. I can;t stop anyone from believing them, i can just try to be used by God to expose the truth to them and others..
I Am not trying to. All i am doing is proving peter did not say what alot of epople think he said..
lol.. Its ok. Go ahead and think you are justified, saved by your work.
I will not try to stop you. I can;t stop anyone from believing them, i can just try to be used by God to expose the truth to them and others..
Your understanding is not consistent with the word.
Scripture reveals those who did not obey God's circumcision command were cut off from his people. "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:13-14
The biblical record reveals all believers are to repent and be baptized to remit sin, and receive the Holy Ghost as well. There are no accounts of individuals living in the NT that were saved without obeying God's command of water baptism.
Scripture reveals those who did not obey God's circumcision command were cut off from his people. "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:13-14
The biblical record reveals all believers are to repent and be baptized to remit sin, and receive the Holy Ghost as well. There are no accounts of individuals living in the NT that were saved without obeying God's command of water baptism.
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