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You just said in an earlier post that the law has no power in sin. I showed you a verse that says the law is the power of sin. And you still deny it. I showed you that the only way to keep the law is by walking in the Spirit. You deny this.
Now I readily confess that the problem doesn't lie in the law but in the nature of fallen flesh. But apart from Christ, we can do nothing. In Christ, we can do all things.
Now I readily confess that the problem doesn't lie in the law but in the nature of fallen flesh. But apart from Christ, we can do nothing. In Christ, we can do all things.
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You say we haven't died, and you say we are under the Law and condemned by it, but the Word says this:
Romans 7:1-6
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to [her] husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of [her] husband. So then if, while [her] husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
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I think you need to re-read that post. I have always maintained that the law has no power to MAKE US SIN. The law isn't sinful, it points out our sin, and SIN bring death, not the law.
Rom 7:7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Sin comes when we transgress the law. 1John 3:4 and the Law of HaShem isn't sinful as made clear above. Yet so many people wish to try and make it seem that way. What I do find sad is that you will turn to Paul to do so. Yet you never turn to his writings that speak of Him keeping the law, why?
Rom 7:25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 7:7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Sin comes when we transgress the law. 1John 3:4 and the Law of HaShem isn't sinful as made clear above. Yet so many people wish to try and make it seem that way. What I do find sad is that you will turn to Paul to do so. Yet you never turn to his writings that speak of Him keeping the law, why?
Rom 7:25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Let me give my understanding of that passsage. It will be way different that yours.
Yes the Law does have dominion over us as long as we are above ground, breathing, and have a pulse.
The law is clear in regard to marriage. As we all know til death do us part. So it is no wonder that Paul, a man who folloed the Law in his heart, seen this as fact. However as we should note, if she remarries when he is still living, she is guilty of adultery. The laws that govern marrage came with an exportation date built in. When one dies, the other is now free to remarry. What does this mean? Working with Paul's words here. Should the women remarry do you know what happens? Thats right she now back under the laws of marriage. So the law hasn't been removed, it simply can't be applied to a person that isn't married. Much like the laws that govern the high priest can't be applied to you or me.
Paul is right, we should have died to the letter of the law, yet in his own words he still did his best to follow a law you wish to see as him saying we are dead to. Rom. 7:25.
So does it add up that if we are free from the law in the way you say, that Paul would follow it, and tell us he does so? No it doesn't. Unless Paul was so confused he didn't remember what he had just said. Or maybe Paul is a hypocripte, inf so, we should place no stock in anything he said. Keeping the context of one passage in line with what came before and after, as well the whole of scripture is a must.
Yes the Law does have dominion over us as long as we are above ground, breathing, and have a pulse.
The law is clear in regard to marriage. As we all know til death do us part. So it is no wonder that Paul, a man who folloed the Law in his heart, seen this as fact. However as we should note, if she remarries when he is still living, she is guilty of adultery. The laws that govern marrage came with an exportation date built in. When one dies, the other is now free to remarry. What does this mean? Working with Paul's words here. Should the women remarry do you know what happens? Thats right she now back under the laws of marriage. So the law hasn't been removed, it simply can't be applied to a person that isn't married. Much like the laws that govern the high priest can't be applied to you or me.
Paul is right, we should have died to the letter of the law, yet in his own words he still did his best to follow a law you wish to see as him saying we are dead to. Rom. 7:25.
So does it add up that if we are free from the law in the way you say, that Paul would follow it, and tell us he does so? No it doesn't. Unless Paul was so confused he didn't remember what he had just said. Or maybe Paul is a hypocripte, inf so, we should place no stock in anything he said. Keeping the context of one passage in line with what came before and after, as well the whole of scripture is a must.
Almost forgot. I will always stand by the FACT that we are not dead. As before please read the following.
Rom 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Last time I posted this passage you said I can play word games all I want. What you didn't say is that the WORD, Paul, Yeshua, and all say we are BORN again. Being born again is the exact opposite of being dead.
Jhn 3:7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Mar 12:27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Not my word game, this is the Word speaking.
Rom 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Last time I posted this passage you said I can play word games all I want. What you didn't say is that the WORD, Paul, Yeshua, and all say we are BORN again. Being born again is the exact opposite of being dead.
Jhn 3:7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Mar 12:27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Not my word game, this is the Word speaking.