Hour of Temptation

[Pilgrimshope]

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)

you realize Paul wrote that ? And was martyred a few years later by Nero ? His body wasn’t saved nor his life on this earth , you realize every apostle died a bad death on this earth ? And none were raptured before they suffered in the world ?

part of belonging to Christ is living for him In This world while we await his coming we’re all going to die some Christians die in terrible unjust ways , some die because of thier missionary work spreading the gospel In The world

none of them are raptured out of tribulation and sorrow that oversee this world unjust things still
Happen to Gods most faithful people look at how the world treated Christ . And all Of the prophets and Gods servants before him .

our bodies and earthly lives aren’t saved our spirit is saved if we are born again which saves our soul. This world and all on it is doomed we need something new that’s what we need to believe the gospel and his promises therin

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)

people will be saved after this ?

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see how the wicked will seperated from the righteous ? At the end of the world when Jesus returns ? That’s when one is taken and the other is left one is righteous and one wicked is why ones a believer and one isn’t

here it is again

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s about the message the imagery whether it’s one taken the other left , whether it’s spreading the righteous from the wicked , whether it’s setting the sheep on one hand and the goats on the other it’s all speaking of the same message of Christ’s return to gather his people And bring destruction and doom upon the rest

believers will Be taken non believers will be left. Believers will receive the kingdom , the wicked will receive damnation

there’s one appointed day for the end it’s the day Jesus returns from heaven to gather his elect and usher in the kingdom of God

there’s a day of the lords return appointed a glorious day for believers in the kingdom but a dreadful and terrible day for the world. A day that differed this much

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

..Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-34, 41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m sorry but there’s no salvation after Jesus returns to father the church after the tribulation in the end of the world

 

[TabinRivCA]

you realize Paul wrote that ? And was martyred a few years later by Nero ? His body wasn’t saved nor his life on this earth , you realize every apostle died a bad death on this earth ? And none were raptured before they suffered in the world ?

part of belonging to Christ is living for him In This world while we await his coming we’re all going to die some Christians die in terrible unjust ways , some die because of thier missionary work spreading the gospel In The world

none of them are raptured out of tribulation and sorrow that oversee this world unjust things still
Happen to Gods most faithful people look at how the world treated Christ . And all Of the prophets and Gods servants before him .

our bodies and earthly lives aren’t saved our spirit is saved if we are born again which saves our soul. This world and all on it is doomed we need something new that’s what we need to believe the gospel and his promises therin



people will be saved after this ?

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see how the wicked will seperated from the righteous ? At the end of the world when Jesus returns ? That’s when one is taken and the other is left one is righteous and one wicked is why ones a believer and one isn’t

here it is again

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s about the message the imagery whether it’s one taken the other left , whether it’s spreading the righteous from the wicked , whether it’s setting the sheep on one hand and the goats on the other it’s all speaking of the same message of Christ’s return to gather his people And bring destruction and doom upon the rest

believers will Be taken non believers will be left. Believers will receive the kingdom , the wicked will receive damnation

there’s one appointed day for the end it’s the day Jesus returns from heaven to gather his elect and usher in the kingdom of God

there’s a day of the lords return appointed a glorious day for believers in the kingdom but a dreadful and terrible day for the world. A day that differed this much

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

..Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-34, 41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m sorry but there’s no salvation after Jesus returns to father the church after the tribulation in the end of the world

“Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world.

 

[luigi]

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)

Yes, those who endure to their end, shall be saved, having been justified by the Lord's blood.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Yes, those who endure to their end, shall be saved, having been justified by the Lord's blood.

I'm not going to twist God's Word, 'we shall be saved from wrath through Him'. Stick with your interpretation, there are many sound sites that disagree and some that do. God bless.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The trib is the wrath of God, that has never been poured out on His kids. However, those saved after the taking out of The Restrainer' including Jews will be in the middle of it.

The tribulation is the persecution of the saints. The wrath of God is poured out on the persecutors. His anger isn't aimed at the sealed saints. We are covered not removed..

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It's written in revelation, that the horse men and the plagues and the locusts from the pit are given power to do harm but not to harm those with the seal of God on them. It's only Christians that have the seal of God on them. If Christians were raptured then there would be no one with the seal of God on them.

Ezekiel Chapter 9 gives us a good picture of this. (as does Passover)
Christians aren't encouraged to read the OT enough.

 

[TabinRivCA]

The tribulation is the persecution of the saints. The wrath of God is poured out on the persecutors. His anger isn't aimed at the sealed saints. We are covered not removed..

The trib is the persecution of the saints at the same time God's wrath is persecuting the persecutors???
'I will keep you safe in the time of trouble' Jerusalem Bible

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The trib is the persecution of the saints at the same time God's wrath is persecuting the persecutors???
'I will keep you safe in the time of trouble' Jerusalem Bible

Why not? We have a detailed picture of it. It's even called PASSOVER.
The blood is your covering. It's all over the Bible, even in Genesis.

I can post a detailed study but I'll have to do it tomorrow. It's getting late now.

Please please please read Ezekiel Chapter 9.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Why not? We have a detailed picture of it. It's even called PASSOVER.
The blood is your covering. It's all over the Bible, even in Genesis.

I can post a detailed study but I'll have to do it tomorrow. It's getting late now.

Please please please read Ezekiel Chapter 9.

It's ok don't post any studies. It's good to know 'He'll keep us during this time' My sister's name is Lucy also. Have a good nite!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

They had a whole life to hear about Jesus, hard not to. Atheists hear of Him and reject Him. But when people left behind see what they heard come to pass, some will believe.

everyone gets the same chance and san

“Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world.

yes I’m pretty sure everyone alive at Philadelphia Church is long passed from the world so they won’t be going through that time .

In fact anyone who’s lifetime isn’t during the very end , will be spared from those events on earth .

after they are all over and the church goes through them in the end then Jesus will return with the saints who went beforehand and then they will be gathered together with him as he returns from heaven this is only true for the church who is on earth and enduring the end time not for those whom love and die and accept the gospel now or then .

but the tribulations are constant and perpetual until the culmination of the end and the church is none earth all the while during that time to die as a martyr in this world , doesn’t mean you weren’t saved . Or to die on some terrible way in this world or be persecuted in this world is not saying God isn’t protecting your everlasting soul

truthfully we have to lose our life in this world for Christ Whether we live during a time of physical persecution or other various forms this world means tribulation for Christians if they are living as they were taught

“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3

it’s part of the churches commission to go through this world and fight this battle

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

temptations , trials of faith , suffering , death and injustice is what the world holds for Gods children , but they have a kingdom that the world is excluded from an eternal one whereas the world is doomed

we’re looking to get to here after we go through this dark world and find salvation in the gospel that remote our sins or “ washes our robes clean “

“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those people have all went through the world the tribulation and found the gospel and held its value in their heart it’s the way to that place the way truth and life

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It's ok don't post any studies. It's good to know 'He'll keep us during this time' My sister's name is Lucy also. Have a good nite!

He will indeed see us through. If the Pre-trib rapture position is correct. No sweat, right?
If it isn't we have to be mentally prepared to endure, always looking forward to his glorious appearance.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

If Christians were raptured then there would be no one with the seal of God on them.

Consider the following couple of points:

--it is only the "restraining role" of the Holy Spirit that is "[the one restraining, at present, UNTIL] out of the midst be come [/come to be]" (and "the Church which is His body" [as "raptured"] in connection with this, as I see it); but NOT that the HOLY SPIRIT IS entirely "REMOVED" Himself... nor are His "hands tied" (so to speak) when it comes to His OTHER roles (during that time--and again, HE HIMSELF is not what is "removed," just His RESTRAINING role, see [again, in connection with "the Church which is His body" at present])

--once "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is raptured out, this is not the end... More people will be coming to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture/THE Departure" (and again, His role IN THAT ASPECT is not curtailed [in/during/within the trib yrs]); in fact, I believe "our Rapture" is a PRIMARY IMPETUS (God uses) that will help turn Israel to their Messiah (Jesus Christ), even "early" in the trib years (per Hos5:14-6:3, esp. v.15 "in their affliction, they will seek Me EARLY"... among other passages I've pointed out in the past)... everything will be on a more "fast-track-to-the-end" (meaning, 'to wrap it up' [so to speak] all within the specific, LIMITED [7-]trib-yrs)

--so, there WILL BE "SAINTS" in/during/within the trib years (they will have come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture")... no one is denying that there will indeed be "SAINTS" in the 7-yr trib... (they just are never identified as "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... who will have ALREADY been "raptured out"... yet these "saints" are ALSO "SAVED" persons)

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Consider the following couple of points:

--it is only the "restraining role" of the Holy Spirit that is "[the one restraining, at present, UNTIL] out of the midst be come [/come to be]" (and "the Church which is His body" [as "raptured"] in connection with this, as I see it); but NOT that the HOLY SPIRIT IS entirely "REMOVED" Himself... nor are His "hands tied" (so to speak) when it comes to His OTHER roles (during that time--and again, HE HIMSELF is not what is "removed," just His RESTRAINING role, see [again, in connection with "the Church which is His body" at present])

--once "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is raptured out, this is not the end... More people will be coming to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture/THE Departure" (and again, His role IN THAT ASPECT is not curtailed [in/during/within the trib yrs]); in fact, I believe "our Rapture" is a PRIMARY IMPETUS (God uses) that will help turn Israel to their Messiah (Jesus Christ), even "early" in the trib years (per Hos5:14-6:3, esp. v.15 "in their affliction, they will seek Me EARLY"... among other passages I've pointed out in the past)... everything will be on a more "fast-track-to-the-end" (meaning, 'to wrap it up' [so to speak] all within the specific, LIMITED [7-]trib-yrs)

--so, there WILL BE "SAINTS" in/during/within the trib years (they will have come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture")... no one is denying that there will indeed be "SAINTS" in the 7-yr trib... (they just are never identified as "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... who will have ALREADY been "raptured out"... yet these "saints" are ALSO "SAVED" persons)

That's a lot of conjecture. With out actual scriptural evidence, I'm not gonna count on a rapture.