Holocaust Memorial Day 2021

[CS1]

Yet you continue to shout "Jews lives matter" and I continue to shout "no all lives matter"....

how foolish of a statement. No one has shouted what is obvious. YOU chose to post a thread on the Holocaust remembrance day, and say basically the jews deserved it are you a special kind of inept historian?

Murder cold evil women and children murdered by millions just because they were Jews. They were murdered in the evilest way, and it took a world war to break the demonic attack and which caused 75 million death at the end of that war.

When one looks at the evil of history and in a foolish way justifies the evil done to a people as to say they deserved it is the match what will relight again to have that action happen over and over again.

Also for one to dismiss the Holocaust by speaking of another evil done to a different group of people as to the " what about those people" " Don't those lives matter too" is a sick perverted outlook to look at another evil to dismiss a past evil.

That is what this post has done.

 

[kaylagrl]

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I disapprove of what you say,
But I will defend to the death your right to say it.
The Life Of Voltaire / Evelyn Beatrice Hall

The above was at one time a popular motto in the USA; but it's rapidly
losing ground to what's coming to be known as the "cancel culture" wherein
opposing voices are suppressed rather than given liberty to be heard.
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Yeah I'd usually agree with that but what surfer said, basically saying the Holocaust never happened, no. This is a Christian site, we shouldn't allow lies here. Surely you agree there should be truth on a Christian site.

 

[kaylagrl]

 

[CS1]

What?!!
Jews ram this holocaust stuff down our throats constantly. They fight tooth and nail to maintain their victim status. There's good money in being a victim in this society and jews have certainly mastered that scam. The only reason everyone is so favorably inclined towards jews is because jews run hollywood and pump out one bit of jew propaganda after another.

"It was real in my mind" - Herman Rosenblat
"geysers of blood." - Eli Weasel
There was one jew who even got himself a fake tatoo, wrote a book about how he was in Auschwitz where they were killing jews with masturbation machines but he was saved by wolves! LOLOL!! Bernard Holstein, proven liar. His book "Stolen Soul".

6 million is a lie. Have you ever been to any of their supposed death camps? I have. It's a scam. If the holocaust was true, then they wouldn't need to throw people in prison for questioning it.

Anti-semitism = anti-satanism.

This post is a violation of CC standards.

 

[CS1]

Ok, boomer. So you would side with anti-christians against a fellow Christian? I trust Jesus as my lord and savior. What exactly do your precious jews think about Jesus? Their whole identity is wrapped around being anti-christ.

Yeah I'd usually agree with that but what surfer said, basically saying the Holocaust never happened, no. This is a Christian site, we shouldn't allow lies here. Surely you agree there should be truth on a Christian site.

The person has been told to stop and if not he will be removed. In addition, This thread needs to be closed.

 

[iamsoandso]

how foolish of a statement. No one has shouted what is obvious. YOU chose to post a thread on the Holocaust remembrance day, and say basically the jews deserved it are you a special kind of inept historian?

Murder cold evil women and children murdered by millions just because they were Jews. They were murdered in the evilest way, and it took a world war to break the demonic attack and which caused 75 million death at the end of that war.

When one looks at the evil of history and in a foolish way justifies the evil done to a people as to say they deserved it is the match what will relight again to have that action happen over and over again.

Also for one to dismiss the Holocaust by speaking of another evil done to a different group of people as to the " what about those people" " Don't those lives matter too" is a sick perverted outlook to look at another evil to dismiss a past evil.

That is what this post has done.

I did not post this thread WH did see the OP. I did not say the Jews deserved what happened to them in ww2 nor do I believe that so I think you read someone else's post and are confusing them with me. I do not deny that six million Jews died in ww2 at the hands of the Nazis I'm not sure why your saying this please read the thread from the beginning and you will see that I defended that six million Jews did in fact die at the hands of the Nazi's. And I do see the six million Jews lives as precious and the 11 million others who died in the concentration camps. Please do not confuse what I said with what others posted in this thread.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Surely you agree there should be truth on a Christian site.

I do not agree. This is a forum, not a seminary.

I believe every point of view, and every opinion, should be allowed and each
of us decide for his/her own self what's true and what's not, rather than leave
it up to truth police to decide for us like they do in North Korea.
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[iamsoandso]

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I do not agree. This is a forum, not a seminary.

I believe every point of view, and every opinion, should be allowed and each
of us decide for his/her own self what's true and what's not, rather than leave
it up to truth police to decide for us like they do in North Korea.
_

I agree I hope you don't see anything I have said as disrespectful if so I apologize. The truth is that Holocaust memorial day is important because it is to remember those who died in that time. If it's made only to be remembered of the Jews only then the others are forgotten who died also. If this is so and it is based completely on "race or religion" and we then are being told to discriminate against the others by excluding them in remembrance then we have failed in holocaust remembrance.

 

[CS1]

I think he's left the thread but it seems that he left out the word " A" ...in his sentence. I took it as him meaning "There were 22 genocides in the 20th century. Genocide is not a problem that the Jews had,(notice the comma he used here) it is "A"(he missed putting the A here) universal problem of our world today. So the answer(explanation) he is intending is immediately following the "comma" he used in the sentence.

With the word "genocides"(plural) or "genocide"(singular) there is the luxury of the added "S" to denote plural or singular usage but with the word holocaust it is used in a singular tense and there is no "S" added example,(holocaust's). Holocaust means consumed by fire on an alter or it was first used by the New York Times in 1895 to describe the massacre of Christians by the Ottoman Muslims(see terminology in article) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust So with the word holocaust it is used with no "S" to describe other genocides other than just "the holocaust of the Jews"(ww2) but used this way it is always preceded by the word "The" as in "The holocaust" but then which holocaust it is referring to is dependent on the discussion's usage.

Now as we know in the modern days there is an fascination with the term "fake news" and one of the chief sources of this is the NYTimes(quoted in the Wiki. article) and many others so it's wise to consider that "fake News" is not a new thing but has gone on the whole time. Here is an source that does the same thing(holocaust denial by trivializing facts) https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-origin-of-the-term-holocaust I'll point out it's wording and intention because it's easily missed. In the third sentence in the article it states "and millions of others". In the article it's focus is to put a "dot in the middle of a circle" ,,,the "Dot" is that it is speaking of the "Jews"(in the article) and so it draws the focus away from "and millions of others" by stating them as "the trivial" amount in the article.

In actual history the number of the "millions of others" is around 11 million and then 6 million Jews(the smaller number of the two) but the focus of the article is "on the Jews only" and so it is not added together(11+6=15 million) and called "the holocaust" but instead states "killing of six million Jewish men,women and children" by trivializing the "millions of others"(=holocaust denial by trivialization) when the fact is that 15 million people were murdered by the Nazi's in the same exact manner.

Here is your post above correct?
you said

In actual history, the number of the "millions of others" is around 11 million and then 6 million Jews(the smaller number of the two) but the focus of the article is "on the Jews only" and so it is not added together(11+6=15 million) and called "the holocaust" but instead states "killing of six million Jewish men,women and children" by trivializing the "millions of others"(=holocaust denial by trivialization) when the fact is that 15 million people were murdered by the Nazi's in the same exact manner.


This is a false narrative. The Jews are not in any way trivializing the fact other who were not Jews also were killed during this war.

Why is the 6 Million JEWS so much focused on during the murdering of them over other groups of people? IF you know your history at the time the population of Jews was about 18 million - 6millon = 12 million no other class of people lost 2/3 of their population in the Holocaust. THAT is why it is so important because the Holocaust was created to kill Jews even though they were not the only ones. Christians, Polish, and many others were also killed. And as terrible as that is they were not in the amount the Jews were.
There was not a mention constantly of other groups over the Jews by Hilter.

 

[CS1]

I agree I hope you don't see anything I have said as disrespectful if so I apologize. The truth is that Holocaust memorial day is important because it is to remember those who died in that time. If it's made only to be remembered of the Jews only then the others are forgotten who died also. If this is so and it is based completely on "race or religion" and we then are being told to discriminate against the others by excluding them in remembrance then we have failed in holocaust remembrance.

again a false Narrative never has the Jews or anyone said only remember the jews killed. The truth that 6 million of a group of people who only number 18 million is very important to remember. Although others died with the jews at that time, they were not there for being jews nor were they killed only because they were jews. Many Christians and polish and Russians helped the jews and were caught killed and sent to those same camps.

 

[kaylagrl]

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I do not agree. This is a forum, not a seminary.

I believe every point of view, and every opinion, should be allowed and each
of us decide for his/her own self what's true and what's not, rather than leave
it up to truth police to decide for us like they do in North Korea.
_

So there's nothing that is true. Opinions are held in the same regard as truth. Everyone believes what they want and nothing is truth. So why read the Bible? There's nothing that can be considered "truth" correct?! The Holocaust is a truth, a fact, from historical records, eye witness accounts and from the victims themselves. It's not "opinion" it is truth. If we all decide for ourselves what's true and what isn't then the Bible is as useless as Readers Digest.

 

[iamsoandso]

again a false Narrative never has the Jews or anyone said only remember the jews killed. The truth that 6 million of a group of people who only number 18 million is very important to remember. Although others died with the jews at that time, they were not there for being jews nor were they killed only because they were jews. Many Christians and polish and Russians helped the jews and were caught killed and sent to those same camps.

Yes I was pointing out that in the article from Britannica (they) were shifting the focus to "only the Jews". The reason is very historical but hardly ever pointed out so I'll show it. The Nazis had a program called T4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 and those included in it were classed as "food eaters" or "sub-human" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch Which is why I'm showing the "others" also being included in the holocaust of that time. Again this does "not" mean that I do not acknowledge that the Jews also were murdered just because they were Jews(race/religion) they were included in this and it to me is a horrible sad fact.

 

[kaylagrl]

again a false Narrative never has the Jews or anyone said only remember the jews killed. The truth that 6 million of a group of people who only number 18 million is very important to remember. Although others died with the jews at that time, they were not there for being jews nor were they killed only because they were jews. Many Christians and polish and Russians helped the jews and were caught killed and sent to those same camps.

The Jews even have a remembrance for those who helped them during the Holocaust. People recognized as "Righteous Among the Nations" are awarded a specially minted medal bearing their name, a certificate of honor, and the privilege of their names being added to the Wall of Honor in the Garden of the Righteous at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem.

 

[Butterflyyy]

I agree I hope you don't see anything I have said as disrespectful if so I apologize. The truth is that Holocaust memorial day is important because it is to remember those who died in that time. If it's made only to be remembered of the Jews only then the others are forgotten who died also. If this is so and it is based completely on "race or religion" and we then are being told to discriminate against the others by excluding them in remembrance then we have failed in holocaust remembrance.

This is extremely disrespectful.

 

[Blik]

Can you explain what you mean by this comment?

By bringing out that other races have been the object of nations trying to kill them off, and we don't say it is something the victim races brought on themselves, so we should not say the Jews brought what happened in Germany on themselves. I don't think these genocides are ways the Lord is punishing the victim races for something.

 

[Webers.Home]

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we don't say it is something the victim races brought on themselves, so we
should not say the Jews brought what happened in Germany on themselves.

The Jews are being held to a covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with
God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The people took an
oath with God when they agreed to it. (Deut 29:10-15)

God slammed the Jews numerous times in the past for failing to comply with
their end of the covenant; in point of fact, God's end of the covenant
obligates Him to come down on them when they're non compliant.

In the future, the covenant will be the basis to determine which Jews will be
allowed to return to their homeland and which won't. (Ezek 20:33-38)
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[iamsoandso]

This is extremely disrespectful.

Okay but at least explain why though because I cant see as to why you would see it that way?

 

[iamsoandso]

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The Jews are being held to a covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with
God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The people took an
oath with God when they agreed to it. (Deut 29:10-15)

God slammed the Jews numerous times in the past for failing to comply with
their end of the covenant; in point of fact, God's end of the covenant
obligates Him to come down on them when they're non compliant.

In the future, the covenant will be the basis to determine which Jews will be
allowed to return to their homeland and which won't. (Ezek 20:33-38)
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In post #9 I ask you about this but you may have missed it but do you see the Jews under the Old covenant or that they are under the New covenant?

 

[surfer14]

Yeah I'd usually agree with that but what surfer said, basically saying the Holocaust never happened, no. This is a Christian site, we shouldn't allow lies here. Surely you agree there should be truth on a Christian site.

The thing that first got me interested in researching about the holocaust was when I found out that it's ILLEGAL to question the official narrative about it in many countries. They literally send little old ladies to prison in Europe for this sort of thought crime. The truth doesn't need a law to defend it, so that's when I first started to suspect that the official story was another lie. That's what got me started looking into the subject. And from there I did enough research to let me to make a much more informed decision about what I believe and why.

So if you want more people to look into it and discover how fake it is, then by all means, censor free speech! The better option, if you're seeking truth, would be to just do your research and draw your conclusions, and let others do the same. If anyone is interested in truth on this subject, then I'd recommend looking into what I said and see if it's true. Then go from there.

 

[kaylagrl]

The thing that first got me interested in researching about the holocaust was when I found out that it's ILLEGAL to question the official narrative about it in many countries. They literally send little old ladies to prison in Europe for this sort of thought crime. The truth doesn't need a law to defend it, so that's when I first started to suspect that the official story was another lie. That's what got me started looking into the subject. And from there I did enough research to let me to make a much more informed decision about what I believe and why.

So if you want more people to look into it and discover how fake it is, then by all means, censor free speech! The better option, if you're seeking truth, would be to just do your research and draw your conclusions, and let others do the same. If anyone is interested in truth on this subject, then I'd recommend looking into what I said and see if it's true. Then go from there.

So, collectively, the Jews destroyed their own businesses, put themselves in ghettos, shipped themselves to concentration camps tattooed themselves, and then murdered themselves? Quite a conspiracy theory there.