History and true history and authority of scripture and Christendom.
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I think everyone expected an altruistic atheist
You see what people like you. Truly ignorant people. I say that because it is what you are ; don’t understand is that the earliest of Christians were highly democratic. The Bible we read was allowed so because of democratic consensus. If we are to move forward as people who truly speak to power what is Christ Jesus and his spirit then we must acknowledge such as a true historical and real part of OUR identity.
You see what people like you. Truly ignorant people. I say that because it is what you are ; don’t understand is that the earliest of Christians were highly democratic. The Bible we read was allowed so because of democratic consensus. If we are to move forward as people who truly speak to power what is Christ Jesus and his spirit then we must acknowledge such as a true historical and real part of OUR identity.
I've been working on this a bit, trying to collect what I can; I'm kinda a historian as a hobby. I doubt it's even possible to know ALL of church history; but I do think the typical western narrative that traces church history back through the RCC and protestantism is... erroneous; and things become more interesting when I look from the beginning and toward the East. But anyways, It should be interesting to see what you have to say about the subject- AND MAYBE, if you have some good sources, some primary or good secondary sources, you could point us toward how to access these sources, eh?
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Actually I do know the history of the Bible, and so do many other Christians. The controversy over the bible versions has made it necessary.
But even those who do not are not necessarily at a disadvantage. The fact that a faithful reliable translation exists in English is sufficient. It is far more important to know (a) the history of God's dealing with mankind since creation and (b) the history of Israel, since it relates to the first and second comings of Christ, and has many spiritual lessons.
But even those who do not are not necessarily at a disadvantage. The fact that a faithful reliable translation exists in English is sufficient. It is far more important to know (a) the history of God's dealing with mankind since creation and (b) the history of Israel, since it relates to the first and second comings of Christ, and has many spiritual lessons.
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Yep, Gnostics do not believe Christ was here on earth in the flesh and blood body. They got the thought that how could he be! Disgusting, no flesh can please God ever, is the thought that has stuck with them in their religion. And so there was division in the gathering of the people back then. So the person I. charge, (Pastor) wrote a letter to John on the Island of Patmos then, to get this straightened out.
That is why we see in 1 John, this letter response to that pastor of that gathering of people fighting over truth
So, John wrote
1 John 1
Authorized (King James) Version
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
Right there John replies we have seen we have tasted, we have touched this life in flesh and blood.
Then going further into the letter back to them them then, we come across (The Christian bar of soap) You must continue to repent daily or you not saved, inn other words it has gotten interpreted I am not saved if I sin again, not seeing why I am sinning again. Not seeing the truth in being 100% forgiven by God through Son for us to be reconciled. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
Okay, so the camp camps out on 1 John 1:9 and does not see 1 John 2:1-4, and verse 12, those verses in between is how one responds to 'God in thanksgiving and praise since all sin today now in Son is taken out of the way for us to do right in his doing done work of
Son for us, not of the self effort at all, at least for me to see this has been a long walk off a short pier for me here on earth.
That is why we see in 1 John, this letter response to that pastor of that gathering of people fighting over truth
So, John wrote
1 John 1
Authorized (King James) Version
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.Right there John replies we have seen we have tasted, we have touched this life in flesh and blood.
Then going further into the letter back to them them then, we come across (The Christian bar of soap) You must continue to repent daily or you not saved, inn other words it has gotten interpreted I am not saved if I sin again, not seeing why I am sinning again. Not seeing the truth in being 100% forgiven by God through Son for us to be reconciled. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
Okay, so the camp camps out on 1 John 1:9 and does not see 1 John 2:1-4, and verse 12, those verses in between is how one responds to 'God in thanksgiving and praise since all sin today now in Son is taken out of the way for us to do right in his doing done work of
Son for us, not of the self effort at all, at least for me to see this has been a long walk off a short pier for me here on earth.
Interested to see your posts. I read a wonderful book called "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" and all of what you're talking about was discussed. I'm rusty, I haven't read it in a while. I was very happy that I was able to see the Dead Sea Scrolls and these rare Bibles you mention when they toured the US. I can't remember what it was called, early 2000s maybe? Perhaps someone knows or went to it. To me it was an amazing thing to see in person.
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People here are pretty much stuck in their beliefs. Some more stuck than others as you already see. I don't know where you're headed like some others seem to know, but the mods have let this pass. If you start arguing you'll never get past step one, trust me on this. Whether I will agree or not I don't know.But if I were you I'd post what I wanted to say, then answer the critics. Trust me, you will have a boatload.
Let's let the OP get past step one, I want to hear what they have to say. Then discuss it. They're new here, give them some courtesy to explain their views then you can rip them apart. Can't be any worse than some of the Calvinists crowd in the other thread, gnashing their teeth.
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there are many a things today that are out of context of the true love of God for us as said in 1 Cor 13:4-7 to me. As I see me, I tried and I can't do it these verses 4-7 of 1 cor 13. I can try yet can't be perfect in it, therefore I need the risen Savior Jesus to lead me in God's Holy Spirit for me too.
So I asked God to do that through me to everyone, not just those that say or do believe God too. Make me wise as a serpent and keep me harmless as a dove in trusting God to lead me , not me do it anymore as this world to this day still teaches people to do things in the flesh nature too be good enough and in truth no one is but son who did it for us
For me there is only one good, and that be God, the Father of the risen Son for me, thanks
So I asked God to do that through me to everyone, not just those that say or do believe God too. Make me wise as a serpent and keep me harmless as a dove in trusting God to lead me , not me do it anymore as this world to this day still teaches people to do things in the flesh nature too be good enough and in truth no one is but son who did it for us
For me there is only one good, and that be God, the Father of the risen Son for me, thanks
So many things misconstrued, over what has taken place as did then on that cross of Son. that even the Disciples do not understand then. They were in hope to be rescued from the Romans then. Yes he went to a cross and died willingly. They saw it and were in "Unbelief" yet held onto belief. Were perplexed to the vexation of their Souls
Then they saw him as risen from the dead. which he took them in and explained it all to them in Acts 1, hung out for forty days, getting them ready to be willing to his Father to take over in Spirit and truth through them.
That became real on Pentecost, the others there that did not speak Hebrew heard them speak about the risen Son in their own language, and got saved by God, then spoke back to the disciples in their Hebrew tongue confirming them as saved by God since believing God, Son is risen for them to be new in his Spirit and truth too.
That to this day has not changed and never will, no matter how any other presents it. God loves us all y'all period, as Father eaits fro the next person to believe God, and then the new begins in them too.
Thank you
Then they saw him as risen from the dead. which he took them in and explained it all to them in Acts 1, hung out for forty days, getting them ready to be willing to his Father to take over in Spirit and truth through them.
That became real on Pentecost, the others there that did not speak Hebrew heard them speak about the risen Son in their own language, and got saved by God, then spoke back to the disciples in their Hebrew tongue confirming them as saved by God since believing God, Son is risen for them to be new in his Spirit and truth too.
That to this day has not changed and never will, no matter how any other presents it. God loves us all y'all period, as Father eaits fro the next person to believe God, and then the new begins in them too.
Thank you