Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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When fire destroys it destroys.
”Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more…”
And a bit later: “And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”
This is in Revelation chapter 21. I can’t help you if you think this has already occurred.
”But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.”
This is at His coming… when He returns.
I’m not the one claiming that God, when He is all in all in the age to come, in the new heaven and earth, is in the demons and evil people who are still burning.
”Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more…”
And a bit later: “And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”
This is in Revelation chapter 21. I can’t help you if you think this has already occurred.
”But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.”
This is at His coming… when He returns.
I’m not the one claiming that God, when He is all in all in the age to come, in the new heaven and earth, is in the demons and evil people who are still burning.
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Your response in which you choose to ignore the point I made only serves to underscore my point that you don't engage critically and are wedded to what you've been told to believe. In that respect you are similar to Darwinists who have been indoctrinated and with the knee jerk emotional reaction to defend their position which flies in the face of the evidence.
Additionally, IF you follow your 'logic' the inevitable conclusion from your premise is that all are 'spiritually connected' and 'born again.' And that is total nonsense. What was Jesus talking about when He said "you must be "born again"? IF ALL are 'spiritually connected' and 'born again' the logic is that He wouldn't have need to say what He did!
Additionally, IF you follow your 'logic' the inevitable conclusion from your premise is that all are 'spiritually connected' and 'born again.' And that is total nonsense. What was Jesus talking about when He said "you must be "born again"? IF ALL are 'spiritually connected' and 'born again' the logic is that He wouldn't have need to say what He did!
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Ecc 12:7
All of you responses ad hominem.
Therefore I am declining to engage in conversation with you further.
This is quite ironic me not been engaged critically, you have searched the scripture beyond the internet, have you ever spent hours looking at the etymology of words, linguistics, hermeneutics, probably, not,
.......but beyond that I never stated all are spiritually connected, I stated the opposite.
Considering you cannot comprehend what I wrote, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
IF you were interested in getting to the truth of things and not focussed on defending your position you may just after re-reading your comments get understanding that you have contradicted yourself. But given that 5 minutes previously you said you were disengagign but then went on to write another post it's clear that your emotions get the better of you and which impact on your faculty for critical thinking.
Yeah, I didn't "get" from what you said, the idea that WillB is suggesting you'd meant, but that you didn't mean... lol
I "got" what you said... but clearly he did not grasp your meaning... I think WillB should perhaps slow down a bit a re-read your post for its intended meaning, rather than what he incorrectly supposed you to be meaning, there. = )
Take 2!
lol
I "got" what you said... but clearly he did not grasp your meaning... I think WillB should perhaps slow down a bit a re-read your post for its intended meaning, rather than what he incorrectly supposed you to be meaning, there. = )
Take 2!
lol
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It's difficult to ascertain the exact nature of the lake's fire as sometimes the
Bible uses terms with which we are familiar instead of Heavenly terms that
would leave us totally baffled. (e.g. John 3:12)
There are a few verses-- e.g. Rev 14:10, Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10, and Rev
21:8 --that include a brimstone component in the lake, translated from a
Greek word that basically pertains to sulfur.
Sulfur melts at 232.36º F and boils at 832.28º F. If sulfur's temperature is
maintained in that range; it could easily suffice for an impoundment
consisting of both flame and liquid.
FAQ: What's to prevent the lake's fire from consuming the sulfur?
REPLY: The presence of fire doesn't always indicate combustion; for example
the flames in Moses' bush didn't need fuel to keep them going. I mean, if
God created fire's properties, the He can just as easily adjust those
properties to suit special purposes.
* Anyway the Greek word commonly translated "fire" is somewhat
ambiguous as it can pertain to lightning as well as flame; though I've yet to
discover a verse where it's translated lightning; which makes sense seeing
as how there is a specific Greek word that stuff.
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It's difficult to ascertain the exact nature of the lake's fire as sometimes the
Bible uses terms with which we are familiar instead of Heavenly terms that
would leave us totally baffled. (e.g. John 3:12)
There are a few verses-- e.g. Rev 14:10, Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10, and Rev
21:8 --that include a brimstone component in the lake, translated from a
Greek word that basically pertains to sulfur.
Sulfur melts at 232.36º F and boils at 832.28º F. If sulfur's temperature is
maintained in that range; it could easily suffice for an impoundment
consisting of both flame and liquid.
FAQ: What's to prevent the lake's fire from consuming the sulfur?
REPLY: The presence of fire doesn't always indicate combustion; for example
the flames in Moses' bush didn't need fuel to keep them going. I mean, if
God created fire's properties, the He can just as easily adjust those
properties to suit special purposes.
* Anyway the Greek word commonly translated "fire" is somewhat
ambiguous as it can pertain to lightning as well as flame; though I've yet to
discover a verse where it's translated lightning; which makes sense seeing
as how there is a specific Greek word that stuff.
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HiH: Are you born again?
Were you spiritually connected to God prior to being born from above?
WB: The context is HiH a Christian discussing with me, WB, a 'born again' Christian, the topic of Eternal Punishment as conscious ‘torment’ against Annihilation.
HiH has the belief in an Immortal Soul which is indispensable to his belief in Eternal Punishment.
IF ALL People i.e. the saved and the unsaved have an Immortal Soul it follows logically that ALL are, in HiH’s view, ‘spiritually connected' to God.
IF you cannot grasp that then do explain what HiH meant? And IF HiH means something different to this explanation he ought to explain and may want to consider trying to communicate in unambiguous language.
IF you have now grasped the point you will see that HiH’s question was, in the context of his own belief, illogical. And IF you can’t see it …then I think you may need to get some help.
Were you spiritually connected to God prior to being born from above?
WB: The context is HiH a Christian discussing with me, WB, a 'born again' Christian, the topic of Eternal Punishment as conscious ‘torment’ against Annihilation.
HiH has the belief in an Immortal Soul which is indispensable to his belief in Eternal Punishment.
IF ALL People i.e. the saved and the unsaved have an Immortal Soul it follows logically that ALL are, in HiH’s view, ‘spiritually connected' to God.
IF you cannot grasp that then do explain what HiH meant? And IF HiH means something different to this explanation he ought to explain and may want to consider trying to communicate in unambiguous language.
IF you have now grasped the point you will see that HiH’s question was, in the context of his own belief, illogical. And IF you can’t see it …then I think you may need to get some help.
Good catch, lol, but I think you know I meant the literal fire.
I think important to know what this "lake of fire" is within the context of the entire book, there can be speculation but in the absence of
proof the "lake of fire" is not synonymous with "lake of annihilation."
So we can rule that out.
Good catch, lol, but I think you know I meant the literal fire.
I think important to know what this "lake of fire" is within the context of the entire book, there can be speculation but in the absence of
proof the "lake of fire" is not synonymous with "lake of annihilation."
So we can rule that out.
I think important to know what this "lake of fire" is within the context of the entire book, there can be speculation but in the absence of
proof the "lake of fire" is not synonymous with "lake of annihilation."
So we can rule that out.
The issue is that God will never be the wicked and demonic beings tormented in the fire in the age to come.
God will be all in all. Nothing evil will be carried over into the new heaven and earth.
Eternal Conscious Torment was promoted to fill Baptist pews: Despicable teaching that is bereft of any understanding of the nature of the Father.
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