Hebrews 10:26.. what is it really saying?

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EleventhHour

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Like I said before, there is no such thing as unintentional sin, only a lack of knowledge :) Hosea 4 teach us that.
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Of course there is unintentional sin under the Levitical law..... they are called sins of ignorance.
It is right here in Hebrews

'But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance' (Heb 9:7, NIV)
 
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Jesus is our High Priest.

He came to seek and save the lost. He forgave the adulteress, the tax collector Zacheus and the thief on the cross. He cast demons out of totally possessed people. These people were involved and delivered from intentional sin.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Look into whether there was an animal sacrifice for "willful sun" under the Levitical system.... all the sacrifices were for breaking the law since the law was so onerous... there was only sacrifices for unintentional sins

Intentional sin was always open rebellion against God , hence "willful"


They could never sacrifice an animal for intentional sin.
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Reread Lev 6. However most grievous sins were punishable by death. Thanks that really puts things in perspective. So in cases where David basically committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband, was he never forgiven?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Of course there is unintentional sin under the Levitical law..... they are called sins of ignorance.
It is right here in Hebrews

'But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance' (Heb 9:7, NIV)
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ignorance - lack of knowledge or information
unintentional - not done on purpose

Sorry sis but that is not what the words mean.

Interesting conversation :)
 
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Hungry said:
Reread Lev 6. However most grievous sins were punishable by death. Thanks that really puts things in perspective. So in cases where David basically committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband, was he never forgiven?
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Grace, mercy
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
ignorance - lack of knowledge or information
unintentional - not done on purpose

Sorry sis but that is not what the words mean.

Interesting conversation :)
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That is correct ... Parts of the law was so onerous that it was broken through ignorance and unintentionally.
 
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EleventhHour said:
That is correct ... Parts of the law was so onerous that it was broken through ignorance and unintentionally.
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No, through a lack of knowledge... ignorance is not an excuse for Abba Father. Hosea 4 is clear about it.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
 
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Hungry said:
Reread Lev 6. However most grievous sins were punishable by death. Thanks that really puts things in perspective. So in cases where David basically committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband, was he never forgiven?
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As well, intentional sin, is not that you were consciously aware of sinning, like when David committed adultery, it is more a public defiance against the covenant, like the man stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath (Num 15:32)

Intentional sin in context means "defiant" .... more than consciously aware of sinning.
 
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EleventhHour said:
As well, intentional sin, is not that you were consciously aware of sinning, like when David committed adultery, it is more a public defiance against the covenant, like the man stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath (Num 15:32)

Intentional sin in context means "defiant" .... more than consciously aware of sinning.
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Lev 6 regards such intention about lying and extortion.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
But these sins were pardonable (Numbers 15).

It seems Hoshea is speaking to a nation far steeped in willful rejection of God.
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I agree, but EH says there are unintentional sin, I say there is no such thing as unintentional sin, just sins out of ignorance.

So the one is because you never knew it existed, the other is because you never made an effort to get to know your King and his Torah.
 
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Reformyourself said:
I believe Jesus can enable us to walk a sinless life-100%
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Yes we have the Holy Spirit to enable us, but we still inhabit our dead flesh.

So no one is sinless until they are physically dead and with the Lord.

Some Christians are MUCH better at walking in the Spirit than others, but even they stumble.

The key to the passage is that they had the KNOWLEDGE of Truth (Jesus) but they never had HIM.

It is more eternally dangerous to hear the Gospel and reject it than to have never heard it at all.
 
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I would inherit (the only life that matters) eternal life...diseases?? ‘you are very much mistaken, they are like the angels in heaven’
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I think you missed the point. But that's okay.
 
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mailmandan said:
The willful sin here is rejecting Christ deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth. If it meant any sin, then we would have to live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else be found guilty. Do you believe that you live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Christ did ) 100% of the time?
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Yes I think the underlying warning is that of apostasy.
 
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cv5 said:
Yes I think the underlying warning is that of apostasy.
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It really isn't.

The author states "we"

Includes himself.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God................ great affliction

Temporal consequences.
 
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EleventhHour said:
It really isn't.

The author states "we"

Includes himself.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God................ great affliction

Temporal consequences.
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Yes, the author is stating "we" "us" etc.
IMO this because one Jew is adressing an audience of brother Israelites.
But chapt 10 alone makes it perfectly clear....they were at risk of falling back into apostasy because of willfully rejecting Jesus and the New Covenant and maintaining the obsolete and ineffective Old Covenant. Really the scope and thrust is overwhelming and unmistakable. Apostasy was the imminent danger that is being warned of.
 
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cv5 said:
Yes, the author is stating "we" "us" etc.
IMO this because one Jew is adressing an audience of brother Israelites.
But chapt 10 alone makes it perfectly clear....they were at risk of falling back into apostasy because of willfully rejecting Jesus and the New Covenant and maintaining the obsolete and ineffective Old Covenant. Really the scope and thrust is overwhelming and unmistakable. Apostasy was the imminent danger that is being warned of.
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Yes it is about apostasy


Verse 22 says, "let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith..." Verse 23 further encourages us to "hold fast" of our profession of faith without wavering.

Then at the end of the chapter, we are told not to cast away our confidence of faith and "draw back" for God has no pleasure to those who do. The "draw back" is a reference to those people who waver and leave faith and go back to their own works, ie leaving the covenant of grace and going back to the covenant of the law.

So, verses 28-30 are just dealing with someone who does that. The idea here is that if you leave the covering of the blood of Christ (leave the covenant of the promise) then there is nowhere to go for your salvation. ...there are no more sacrifices for sin... the system is done.

Just look at the references to the law in those verses.

Verses 28-30 deal with the idea that if God dealt severely with those who violated the Law of Moses, then how do you think He would feel about those who purposely leave the blood of the new covenant?

However, this is not about loosing salvation but being faithful to the faith.

These Hebrews wanted to know if the blood sacrifice were still needed.
 
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dcontroversal said:
This verse is squarely directed at those who count the blood of Christ a common ordinary base thing while trampling JESUS under their feet.....IT IS NOT directed at a saved man and indicative of LOSING SALVATION!
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Yeah, I see it as either unsaved Hebrews trying to offer up animal sacrifices, but are trampling the Son of God under their feet because they know Jesus' words spoken to them but continue to treat His sacrifice as dung.

Or they could be Hebrew believers.... like Galatians and Romans where they are trying to go back to their traditions and animal sacrifice when they are under the New Covenant, trampling the Son of God under their feet by willingly counting what He has already done for them as worth nothing. Not losing salvation, but laying themselves open to God's punishment.

Still working on it :)
 
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Yeah, I see it as either unsaved Hebrews trying to offer up animal sacrifices, but are trampling the Son of God under their feet because they know Jesus' words spoken to them but continue to treat His sacrifice as dung.

Or they could be Hebrew believers.... like Galatians and Romans where they are trying to go back to their traditions and animal sacrifice when they are under the New Covenant, trampling the Son of God under their feet by willingly counting what He has already done for them as worth nothing. Not losing salvation, but laying themselves open to God's punishment.

Still working on it :)
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Exactly.....peace from across the pond....am on day 5 quarantine in Sydney hahah 9 days to go then back to work haha
 
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