Have You Received the Holy Ghost Since You Believed?
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Peter did specifically tell them to be baptized and they were. We know that he was talking about baptism in water because in Acts 10 he said who can forbid water to baptize those who had just been baptized with the Holy Spirit. So if Peter said to baptize those in Acts 10 in water after they were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues then this should help confirm any doubts you had about him talking about water when the 3000 were baptized. You could also check a couple of commentaries and they will help you understand also.
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The word provides evidence that the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is in fact water baptism. Peter makes a clear distinction between being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (water) and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. (baptism of the Holy Ghost)
Also, the following scriptures make it obvious that water baptism along with receiving the Holy Ghost was the consistent message given. Please take the time to read Acts 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:5-6, 22:16.
John the Baptist introduced water baptism that never ceased being administered. The only difference to water baptism was the use of Jesus' name after after His death, burial and resurrection. Jesus mentions this in Luke 24:47. Without Jesus' sacrifice water baptism would be nothing but an empty ritual.
Also, the following scriptures make it obvious that water baptism along with receiving the Holy Ghost was the consistent message given. Please take the time to read Acts 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:5-6, 22:16.
John the Baptist introduced water baptism that never ceased being administered. The only difference to water baptism was the use of Jesus' name after after His death, burial and resurrection. Jesus mentions this in Luke 24:47. Without Jesus' sacrifice water baptism would be nothing but an empty ritual.
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The word will not return void. It is always the best weapon for combating error as evidenced by Jesus words to Satan, "It is written." Many refuse to accept what the word literally states. Well, I believe that since Jesus said everyone will be judged by the word that belief and obedience to what it says is paramount.
You state one is indwelt with the Spirit at the point of salvation. I guess you mean the moment one believes Jesus is the Messiah. Please provide proof of your belief with actual scripture. One cannot be reborn spiritually without the actual infilling of the Holy Spirit into one's body. This truth is witnessed by the biblical records I provided in the first post.
As far as maturity I have been serving the Lord for many, many years. He empowers me through the indwelling of His Spirit. And He certainly is well aware of my motivation.
You state one is indwelt with the Spirit at the point of salvation. I guess you mean the moment one believes Jesus is the Messiah. Please provide proof of your belief with actual scripture. One cannot be reborn spiritually without the actual infilling of the Holy Spirit into one's body. This truth is witnessed by the biblical records I provided in the first post.
As far as maturity I have been serving the Lord for many, many years. He empowers me through the indwelling of His Spirit. And He certainly is well aware of my motivation.
In Acts 10:47 you are correct. Water baptism is administered after Holy Spirit baptism. Holy Spirit baptism is administered by God the moment we believe into Christ. Acts 2 is not about water baptism but Holy Spirit baptism.
Acts 8 we have Philip and the eunuch where water baptism is given after confession of belief into Christ.
The point is and remains that water baptism has no effect on salvation. One is not more or less saved based on water baptism. Believers are led of the Holy Spirit to receive water baptism but the Holy Spirit is already present in their heart before they are water baptized.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Acts 8 we have Philip and the eunuch where water baptism is given after confession of belief into Christ.
The point is and remains that water baptism has no effect on salvation. One is not more or less saved based on water baptism. Believers are led of the Holy Spirit to receive water baptism but the Holy Spirit is already present in their heart before they are water baptized.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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John's baptism was a baptism unto repentance to prepare men for the appearance of Christ. John's baptism never added anything to the salvation that Christ alone can give.
You continue to impute to water baptism virtue that God does not impute. You are in fact presenting a false doctrine.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You continue to impute to water baptism virtue that God does not impute. You are in fact presenting a false doctrine.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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You should avoid using Acts to form doctrine. Acts is an account detailing how Israel as a nation has fallen, and how God revealed a new plan to save gentiles thru their fall.
So in Acts 10, Peter was not expecting anything to happen to Cornelius and his household. Since the nation Israel has not repented yet, the gentiles cannot be reached by them.
Yet, without following the Law, without circumcision, without water baptism, God poured the HS into them, indicated a change in that timetable.
When he allowed them to be water baptized, he is just trying to catch up with this new revelation. It is not meant for us now to form a doctrine out of that order.
So in Acts 10, Peter was not expecting anything to happen to Cornelius and his household. Since the nation Israel has not repented yet, the gentiles cannot be reached by them.
Yet, without following the Law, without circumcision, without water baptism, God poured the HS into them, indicated a change in that timetable.
When he allowed them to be water baptized, he is just trying to catch up with this new revelation. It is not meant for us now to form a doctrine out of that order.
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All scripture is profitable for doctrine especially the book of Acts.
Luke was a theologian in his own right and had a clear theological intent as to what he recorded in Acts and what he left out. Lucan Pneumantology traces this and most evangelical theologians today realize that Acts is very useful for doctrine. Luke emphasizes the normative practice and experience of both water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues for all the first converts across the geographic landscape among every group of people who first came into the church. The book of Acts inspires every new Christian today and imparts faith in the heart when read to ask for this same power from on high to fulfill our ministry and God is faithful to grant it to all who ask, seek, and knock.
And Peter baptized them in water because he clearly understood the mandate of Christ to do so as an unbaptized christian was not an idea entertained in new testament.
Luke was a theologian in his own right and had a clear theological intent as to what he recorded in Acts and what he left out. Lucan Pneumantology traces this and most evangelical theologians today realize that Acts is very useful for doctrine. Luke emphasizes the normative practice and experience of both water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues for all the first converts across the geographic landscape among every group of people who first came into the church. The book of Acts inspires every new Christian today and imparts faith in the heart when read to ask for this same power from on high to fulfill our ministry and God is faithful to grant it to all who ask, seek, and knock.
And Peter baptized them in water because he clearly understood the mandate of Christ to do so as an unbaptized christian was not an idea entertained in new testament.
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He also told him how God has shown him not to call them unclean. So there is that. You are trying to make it look like Peter was baptizing them in water because he was confused and doing it from his own lack of understanding about what God really wanted. I don't think you will find that interpretation in any commentary in the last 2000 years.
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He was getting the revelation that there was no breaking of the Law or displeasing of God in going into the house of a gentile eating with them etc. This was the beginning of laying down life long habits that were considered scriptural. And yes he got the revelation that they were to be accepted as part of the church with no difference in the eyes of the Lord. Just as saved, and just as filled with the Holy Spirit for power to be witnesses to their salvation. He knew that from this group would go forth evangelist with the power of the Holy Spirit imparted gifts.
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The command is to go baptize all nations. I don't understand your theology. I have tried several times but I think I almost hurt myself trying to figure out what you were trying to say so I quit trying. You seem to march to the beat of your own drum and I have no idea what you are talking about. 
If you want to waste your time his false teachings are on You Tube.
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