Have you ever walked away from your faith?

[Mofastus]

I've been a believer for many years and have walked away from my faith several times - although I returned; yet still I question. I know that down through the ages theologians have wrestled the deep unanswered questions such as suffering and promises that don't seem true.

Have you ever hit the wall with your faith? If so how did you move past it?

I know this isn't a nice topic and many believers gloss over it. I always avoided the Book of Job - but it is in the Bible.

It just may be the right topic. How to get past ones own self. Jesus was "freely" broken for us. When will we "freely" know His sufferings by simply being a doer of the word with a "true" heart for God? When will we get to the "what we ought to know", getting past what we think we know?

Honestly, at what point do we think our faith is sufficient enough, when without Him we can do nothing? We serve Him and no other, including ourselves. Scripture shows us all these things I've stated in an overwhelming abundance and by those that were partakers of His precious promises.

There is no deception but our own, just as what you stated, "many believers gloss over it". We don't get to pick and choose when the Light shines in our darkness, because our hope is in Him, and it is He that sets any one of us free.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[Blik]

The REALITY is: if you don't have the money to pay you suffer and then die. That's the reality in America today.

It doesn't make sense. None of it.

There is an entire world you are living in that is eternal and is run by spiritual laws. It is called the kingdom of heaven, and its territory is heaven that is not the temporary territory you are living in. Your reality does not include this eternal reality, it is the temporary physical world and your frustrations with this world should not include a frustration with the kingdom of heaven.

God cares about your illness, we know because it takes a God who cares to create our physical world, but God is more interested in your eternal life than in your life in what scripture calls the kingdoms of the world. We all live in the kingdom of the world temporarily, in the kingdom of heaven forever when we listen and decide on living in that kingdom.

 

[saintrose]

no

but I have walked away from Christians

always believed from the minute i was saved onwards

I think many have problems but the problems are actually with other believers

I have done that too. We've been in a few really bad churches. As first generation Christians we had no guidance and did I get an education.

Then we were cheated by the youth pastor and the worst thing ever done to me was done by another "christian." My daughter said if someone claims to be a "christian" she trusts them less. She was badly wounded in a church.

I did hear that the corrupt youth pastor's wife left him. His family lost their business and they were shamed NATIONALLY. The youth pastor had serious issues and ran into and killed a woman - he got off because he's police-connected. Now I heard he's snorting cocaine. I pray to God that he kills himself and not someone else again. Please pray this. I fear with people like him on the road.

 

[saintrose]

saintrose, thank you for posting; I know it took courage. For me, by God's mercy and grace, my faith grew stronger during a period of great tragedy (the loss of three babies). During these hard times, I realized that we will all face adversity in this life. I discovered that my problems were transient and that eternal life awaited me. I also realized that I would now be able to comfort others in the same manner that my Father had (and always has) comforted me. Yes, through all the depression, I always knew deep down in my heart that my Heavenly Father loved me. Please always remember that He will never leave you nor forsake you. God bless you.

View attachment 232691 Theophilus means “loved by God”

I had something of a similar loss in our family - that was what really made me question how God could let it happen. I remember walking through a store and I broke down crying right in the aisle. I have had grief upon grief. A former friend sailed through life - even cheating someone - and their lives were smooth and easy. How can anyone explain that?

I did God's work and had a ministry of handing out bible tracts for years. People would come sit by me - strangers - and pour out their griefs to me. I did the best I could to comfort them. I even took psychology as I wanted to help the suffering and it seemed as if that might be my calling. But I had to leave college when a family member had a baby. I have never regretted my choice but I still wanted to finish college but now I can't concentrate - I was diagnosed with PTSD.

God seemed to let worse and worse things happen. Now even getting out of bed is a struggle and dealing with severe, unrelenting pain is like carrying an anvil on my back. I developed a severe bodywide fungal infection from the antibiotics I've been forced to be on since 2014 and wound up in the ER. I couldn't breathe, I was throwing up, and my heart felt like it was going to burst. I got a call from the witch at my pain specialists telling me if I didn't get in there for a urine test (yes the greedy doctors are forcing the elderly who are prescribed pain medication to come in and be urine tested like a teenager. They make a lot of $$$ off them. They charge our insurance more for the urine test than the office visit. It's a sick racket.)

I told the girl I couldn't get up and she told me I would be discharged. I was forced to have my husband drive me there FOR A LOUSY URINE TEST while I was vomiting, could barely walk, and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I made it into the office and another patient looked at me and said "You look like you're hurting." That man had more compassion than the witch office manager and doctor who rubber stamps her moves.

I threw up twice in their bathroom. I begged God for justice against them. None came. The witch tried it again and told me there were no appointments open and my husband and I both wrote to the head office. They knew they were in trouble. You can't stop pain medication abruptly - you get thrown into a detox and at an advanced age some have died from it. I know because I belong to a pain group. Others have ended their lives. I told the head office I knew the law and that their office was exceeding the law. They completely changed. But who does that to an elderly person with severe handicaps?

God didn't act - I did. I was so distraught at being forced in there in such horrible shape that I begged God for justice. I haven't seen it. They are in darkness however as they were all vaccinated and God enlightens those who are His about the lies being perpetrated in the media.

Now I'm dealing with corrupt lawyers. I do believe they will be repaid for their evil - I just heard that the youth pastor who cheated us out of a lot of money is now snorting cocaine. He and his family hurt a lot of people and they're pretty much hated in our old town. So I know that "Vengeance is mine" saith the Lord does seem to come true. However God hasn't always shown me.

But I'm suffering and now dealing with corrupt lawyers when I expected help from God. But why would I believe He would help me because He's let me down so many times before even as I did His work on earth.

The corrupt lawyer is now trying to unlawfully steal more money from me. I am already in bad shape and I went at him. Lawyers will take your shirt if you don't stop them. The corrupt pharmaceutical company even threatened me - in writing - that if I don't sign the papers accepting the low amount they were taking me to court and suing me and forcing me to pay their legal fees.

It's unconscionable to do that to someone so damaged.

How would others handle this? The godly approach didn't work. It's casting your pearls before swine. And they are swine.

 

[saintrose]

Mine is more of, changing my ways of thinking. Changing my mind about My life and how I live. I doubted yes, but I always came back. I’ve walked away once years ago, worst mistake of my life, but I came back fully and whole heartedly and now I’m in the best place I could ever be in. I have my days when I’m down, or sad or have bad days. But God is in full control, he holds me he guides me, he loves me as much as he loves the next person.

I just recently learned that my path is changing for the better, when I want something so badly and it doesn’t go my way, it’s cause God has something even better and Bigger for me down the road. It’s very difficult to keep that in mind, but I know it’s true. It’s hard to give it all to him, but once I do.. the rest is history.

Everyone has a different story to tell, sharing life experiences is always a wonderful joy. To see how far everyone Has come from their struggles. But I hope this helps in some way. Once you go walking forward, never look back. 😇🙏🏻

Thanks for being honest. I appreciate it when others are emotionally honest about walking away. I came back as well but I still question.

My husband said something similar about God doing the best thing but sometimes it's just hard to believe that when in the midst of a storm.

 

[saintrose]

So....
At some point everyone has a crisis of faith...or due to rebellion walks away and conveniently forgets about their faith.

And I wish to this day I never had done so...I'm still paying heavily for my misadventures...so are those I love the most.

Sin is the gift that keeps on giving.

No one is exempt... everyone pays for YOUR sin. It's just the living with yourself afterwards that gets tougher and tougher.

I'm sorry - I hate to hear of another's suffering. I do know that sin effects everyone - it's God's inaction that I don't understand.

 

[saintrose]

My brother walked away while I walked into faith. He was very active in church and was advocate about becoming a military chaplain. Two fractured ribs, pneumonia, and shin splints during boot camp kept him from that dream. He blamed God and that led to doubt and then disbelief.

I on the other hand just as him grew up in church but hated the traditional church atmosphere. I never committed much to memory but was forced to go. Practically spent my summers at church due to my mother working the mother morning out program as a paid babysitter at the church. So we often roamed the halls playing a portable PlayStation in a unused room.

I remember as a younger kid I escaped the building and tried to run away from my Bible class as a young child. Had the church freaking out hunting for me.

Anyways I never cared or questioned God's existence. Until my early twenties as Anxiety, panic attacks and car accident brought me to my knees in exhaustion as I was fighting for control over mind and matter as my physical pain became a reality that I not wanting to kill myself but would happily die naturally just to feel freedom from the mental and physical pain.

This brought me to God and changed me.

My brother on the other hand is now being eaten alive by depression, suicide attempts, and medications with harmful side effects. I pray he reaches the same point I did and comes back to Jesus.

Did you get freedom from the mental and physical pain?

If your brother is dealing with depression there are natural things that could help. I wanted to be a psychologist but my dream was also interrupted - but I don't regret my choices.

1. The microbiome gut bugs actually control our thoughts. Depression and anxiety come from the gut. Your brother should order Mood Probiotics - Swanson, Vitacost, and iHerb carry probiotics. If he can't find them he can just take Jarrow regular probiotics which have multiple strains. I tested their probiotics myself and they cultured.

2. His dopamine may be low. He can try mucuna pruriens. It comes from a bean so it's natural. Vitamin D is also low in those who are depressed. For vitamin D to be absorbed it should have D + K and taken with Swanson vegetarian Omega 3. There are other things that can be taken - you can research it.

The globalists have completely wrecked the food supply with GMO's, glyphosate, and spraying us with heavy metals. It takes enormous effort to try to avoid the poisons being launched against us and to eat healthy. We owned a water filter company for awhile and you wouldn't believe the toxins in water - bottled water is even worse. Everything destroys the gut. I believe that's at least part of the reason for the widespread antidepressant use. In the Steve Jackson occult cards they show a card that makes fun of people because we don't know what they're putting into the pharmaceuticals and food supply. I just read they found some poison in Metformin and other pharmaceuticals.

3. I'm experiencing doubts although I have suffered bouts of oppression - which I did learn comes from Satan. Your brother may be experiencing a demonic attack. There are many resources online about this.

 

[saintrose]

Ultimately, the sad part about reality is some people do better being medicated and some people do better just relying on their faith. Yes, I am being medicated I do have my own problems I do have my own mental health issues, but I do try to rely on Christ as much as I possibly can, I do have days where I have doubts and I have days where I’m just happy

There’s nothing wrong with being medicated just as long as you are sticking with it you’re talking to your doctor about your ups and downs and you don’t let depression and anxiety overcome your soul. That’s the hardest part for some, it’s not easy to feel “normal“ when that’s the very last thing you feel. Makes you want to ask “what is normal?”.

Christ in my heart, is a forever feeling… but depression and anxiety is a mental health issue that needs to be worked through and or being watched by health professional.

entirely MY opinion though. Just putting my 2 cents here.
God bless 💜

There are many mental health professionals who don't know how to treat the entire person. Anxiety and depression are treated with pharmaceuticals - many of which carry side effects. Having been severely damaged by a pharmaceutical and learning that the doctor was in fact PAID for recommending it sickened me to the core. On top of that the occult Steve Jackson illuminati cards show a card saying that we don't know what they're putting into pharmaceuticals and the food. They just found a poison in multiple pharmaceuticals.

Mental health professionals are only as good as their knowledge base. Anxiety and depression originate in the gut and many psychologists don't study this. They throw pharmaceuticals at an equally uninformed people. The first thing you should take for anxiety and depression are a good probiotic such as Jarrow and also acetyl-carnitine. This is not a nice thing to say but if anyone has gut trouble where they're gut is working slow and their Migrating Motor in the gut is not working properly then they need to take a probiotic enema so the bugs don't populate the small intestine which should be sterile.

Mental health professionals don't advise patients to take D + K with fats such as vegan omega 3. There are multiple causes for depression and anxiety, some of which are physical. Mental health professionals actually end up harming more than helping in many cases as those low in D will go on to develop more severe problems. Acetyl carnitine is inexpensive and should alleviate it. NAC is another substance that treats mental issue while also detoxing. You'd be hard-pressed to find any 'professional' who suggests this.

A top psychiatrist in NY said that bipolar is caused by demons. I had studied this years back and my professor liked me as I aced everything in the class. She told me I got the highest grade in every one of her classes. I was able to use that to give her material on how some of these mental health issues are in fact demonic. She took it and didn't hand it back so I hope that at least this small attempt to enlighten bore fruit.

I would have loved to continue on and get my degree as I thought that I could help others but it didn't work out.

 

[saintrose]

Ultimately, the sad part about reality is some people do better being medicated and some people do better just relying on their faith. Yes, I am being medicated I do have my own problems I do have my own mental health issues, but I do try to rely on Christ as much as I possibly can, I do have days where I have doubts and I have days where I’m just happy

There’s nothing wrong with being medicated just as long as you are sticking with it you’re talking to your doctor about your ups and downs and you don’t let depression and anxiety overcome your soul. That’s the hardest part for some, it’s not easy to feel “normal“ when that’s the very last thing you feel. Makes you want to ask “what is normal?”.

Christ in my heart, is a forever feeling… but depression and anxiety is a mental health issue that needs to be worked through and or being watched by health professional.

Ultimately, the sad part about reality is some people do better being medicated and some people do better just relying on their faith. Yes, I am being medicated I do have my own problems I do have my own mental health issues, but I do try to rely on Christ as much as I possibly can, I do have days where I have doubts and I have days where I’m just happy

There’s nothing wrong with being medicated just as long as you are sticking with it you’re talking to your doctor about your ups and downs and you don’t let depression and anxiety overcome your soul. That’s the hardest part for some, it’s not easy to feel “normal“ when that’s the very last thing you feel. Makes you want to ask “what is normal?”.

Christ in my heart, is a forever feeling… but depression and anxiety is a mental health issue that needs to be worked through and or being watched by health professional.

entirely MY opinion though. Just putting my 2 cents here.
God bless 💜

There are many mental health professionals who don't know how to treat the entire person. Anxiety and depression are treated with pharmaceuticals - many of which carry side effects. Having been severely damaged by a pharmaceutical and learning that the doctor was in fact PAID for recommending it sickened me to the core. On top of that the occult Steve Jackson illuminati cards show a card saying that we don't know what they're putting into pharmaceuticals and the food. They just found a poison in multiple pharmaceuticals.

Mental health professionals are only as good as their knowledge base. Anxiety and depression originate in the gut and many psychologists don't study this. They throw pharmaceuticals at an equally uninformed people. The first thing you should take for anxiety and depression are a good probiotic such as Jarrow and also acetyl-carnitine. This is not a nice thing to say but if anyone has gut trouble where they're gut is working slow and their Migrating Motor in the gut is not working properly then they need to take a probiotic enema so the bugs don't populate the small intestine which should be sterile.

Mental health professionals don't advise patients to take D + K with fats such as vegan omega 3. There are multiple causes for depression and anxiety, some of which are physical. Mental health professionals actually end up harming more than helping in many cases as those low in D will go on to develop more severe problems. Acetyl carnitine is inexpensive and should alleviate it. NAC is another substance that treats mental issues while also detoxing. You'd be hard-pressed to find any 'professional' who suggests this. Untold numbers of people are being damaged by these "professionals."

A top psychiatrist in NY said that bipolar is caused by demons. I had studied this years back and my professor liked me as I aced everything in the class. She told me I got the highest grade in every one of her classes. I was able to use that to give her material on how some of these mental health issues are in fact demonic. She took it and didn't hand it back so I hope that at least this small attempt to enlighten bore fruit.

I would have loved to continue on and get my degree as I thought that I could help others but it didn't work out.

 

[saintrose]

There is an entire world you are living in that is eternal and is run by spiritual laws. It is called the kingdom of heaven, and its territory is heaven that is not the temporary territory you are living in. Your reality does not include this eternal reality, it is the temporary physical world and your frustrations with this world should not include a frustration with the kingdom of heaven.

God cares about your illness, we know because it takes a God who cares to create our physical world, but God is more interested in your eternal life than in your life in what scripture calls the kingdoms of the world. We all live in the kingdom of the world temporarily, in the kingdom of heaven forever when we listen and decide on living in that kingdom.

I am well-familiar with eternal realities. It becomes hard to sustain that looking at eternal life when suffering in the present. I think I have taken my eyes off of God and His Word but sometimes everything just gets old.

 

[iTheophilus]

@saintrose Sister, please just stay obedient to the Lord so that your faith will remain strong. His Word will sustain you and bring you joy. God bless you.

 

[She_is_Legendary]

There are many mental health professionals who don't know how to treat the entire person. Anxiety and depression are treated with pharmaceuticals - many of which carry side effects. Having been severely damaged by a pharmaceutical and learning that the doctor was in fact PAID for recommending it sickened me to the core. On top of that the occult Steve Jackson illuminati cards show a card saying that we don't know what they're putting into pharmaceuticals and the food. They just found a poison in multiple pharmaceuticals.

Mental health professionals are only as good as their knowledge base. Anxiety and depression originate in the gut and many psychologists don't study this. They throw pharmaceuticals at an equally uninformed people. The first thing you should take for anxiety and depression are a good probiotic such as Jarrow and also acetyl-carnitine. This is not a nice thing to say but if anyone has gut trouble where they're gut is working slow and their Migrating Motor in the gut is not working properly then they need to take a probiotic enema so the bugs don't populate the small intestine which should be sterile.

Mental health professionals don't advise patients to take D + K with fats such as vegan omega 3. There are multiple causes for depression and anxiety, some of which are physical. Mental health professionals actually end up harming more than helping in many cases as those low in D will go on to develop more severe problems. Acetyl carnitine is inexpensive and should alleviate it. NAC is another substance that treats mental issue while also detoxing. You'd be hard-pressed to find any 'professional' who suggests this.

A top psychiatrist in NY said that bipolar is caused by demons. I had studied this years back and my professor liked me as I aced everything in the class. She told me I got the highest grade in every one of her classes. I was able to use that to give her material on how some of these mental health issues are in fact demonic. She took it and didn't hand it back so I hope that at least this small attempt to enlighten bore fruit.

I would have loved to continue on and get my degree as I thought that I could help others but it didn't work out.

Thank you for the information. However I do trust my provider and trust her knowledge so I will do as doctors ordered and try to stay in the word to fill my spirit with joy.

God bless.

 

[SophieT]

I have done that too. We've been in a few really bad churches. As first generation Christians we had no guidance and did I get an education.

Then we were cheated by the youth pastor and the worst thing ever done to me was done by another "christian." My daughter said if someone claims to be a "christian" she trusts them less. She was badly wounded in a church.

I did hear that the corrupt youth pastor's wife left him. His family lost their business and they were shamed NATIONALLY. The youth pastor had serious issues and ran into and killed a woman - he got off because he's police-connected. Now I heard he's snorting cocaine. I pray to God that he kills himself and not someone else again. Please pray this. I fear with people like him on the road.

well, it's the people that make or in the churches...the church is supposed to be the body of Christ...not the building, but I understand what you are saying

I'm sorry these things have happened to you and while I won't pray that the youth pastor kills himself, I would pray that God deals with him. See, we really have to learn to trust in and lean on God. Even people with good intentions or truthful spirits can disappoint us, but of course how much more when a person uses their position to commit acts against the body of believers.

Forgiveness is the key to getting on with our lives. We do not want to live with bitterness because that shuts us off from our relationship with God. The awful thing is that people tend to 'blame' God...and I am not at all saying you are doing this, not at all....when of course it is not God's will for people to be that way

I pray you would just give all of this to God...if you have not already done so...and allow Him to give you His peace.

Again, I am truly sorry you have had these experiences.

 

[saintrose]

@saintrose Sister, please just stay obedient to the Lord so that your faith will remain strong. His Word will sustain you and bring you joy. God bless you. View attachment 232733

I'm trying - just in a weak time in my faith. I haven't been able to get out to church due to the pain so coming here helps with the encouragement from other believers. Thank you. Thanks to all of you.

 

[iTheophilus]

I'm trying - just in a weak time in my faith. I haven't been able to get out to church due to the pain so coming here helps with the encouragement from other believers. Thank you. Thanks to all of you.

I hear and feel your pain. Sending you love.

 

[saintrose]

Thank you for the information. However I do trust my provider and trust her knowledge so I will do as doctors ordered and try to stay in the word to fill my spirit with joy.

God bless.

It's good if you found a doctor that you trust. You can still ask her to run a blood test to check your vitamin D levels. Many are low. If you've ever taken antibiotics and your microbiome is impaired then that can lead to cancer. The body gives us 'clues' when something is wrong. If a cut on your finger begins throbbing you may put a bandaid on or take ibuprofen but that will only mask the problem. Antidepressants and valium etc. mask a problem.

Probiotics are relatively inexpensive as is vitamin D + K, as is acetyl-carnitine, and NAC. I tried telling someone whose daughter had an eating disorder to try NAC. She refused to listen and went on to ruin her daughter's life who will spend years in "therapy" - padding someone's pockets yet never really resolving the young lady's issues. It's the entire thrust of the sick medical/ psychology profession which rarely cures a malady, only treats the symptoms. Many psychologists are only taught specific things and not the health of the entire body which affects mental health. I'll be the first to say that this life is hard and it does cause us grief and anxiety but sometimes there is more going on and they rarely look beyond pharmaceutical drugs to cure the problem. Considering that satanic Rockefeller runs most of our top government agencies such as the AMA - and likely the APA - it's no small wonder that the goal is not to cure.

I read Medical Kidnap News and he exposes the country's child "welfare" system which rips children from parents who may be experiencing a few problems and places them in homes where they're raped and trafficked. It's a system designed to sustain itself. The workers won't get paid unless they invent reasons to rip a child out of a family's home and place them with a foster family. They need a constant supply of "product" (children) to be paid. It's sick. Very very sick.

I got an up close view of the sickness. Our neighbor got a young girl for awhile - for money and nothing else. They forced the young girl to clean the house, abused her, and the father even came out and said "She's paying for my new truck." The father was a porn addict and there is no way any child should have ever been placed in their home. I tried helping her as much as I could but I saw how sick the system is. If anyone on here possibly can please be a foster parent. You will do better than 99% of them.

 

[saintrose]

well, it's the people that make or in the churches...the church is supposed to be the body of Christ...not the building, but I understand what you are saying

I'm sorry these things have happened to you and while I won't pray that the youth pastor kills himself, I would pray that God deals with him. See, we really have to learn to trust in and lean on God. Even people with good intentions or truthful spirits can disappoint us, but of course how much more when a person uses their position to commit acts against the body of believers.

Forgiveness is the key to getting on with our lives. We do not want to live with bitterness because that shuts us off from our relationship with God. The awful thing is that people tend to 'blame' God...and I am not at all saying you are doing this, not at all....when of course it is not God's will for people to be that way

I pray you would just give all of this to God...if you have not already done so...and allow Him to give you His peace.

Again, I am truly sorry you have had these experiences.

I didn't mean to ask that others pray that the youth pastor kill himself - although I would rather he did this than kill another person. He and his family are like a destructive tornado ripping up everything in their path. I saw him get off after killing a woman - everything is so corrupt.

It's hard to give everything to God. I have to stay on my toes or this corrupt lawyer will take what little I'm getting. Just giving something to God won't do it.

 

[EternalSoul]

Yes many times maybe 30? The most helpful tool for me to return to the bible is first of all such a great book of love and also the verse wich says you shouldnt trust your own understanding, we already know theres a creator of all this who is also creator of the love we experience, dont walk astray from love whatever you do and i hope ill do the same

 

[SophieT]

I didn't mean to ask that others pray that the youth pastor kill himself - although I would rather he did this than kill another person. He and his family are like a destructive tornado ripping up everything in their path. I saw him get off after killing a woman - everything is so corrupt.

It's hard to give everything to God. I have to stay on my toes or this corrupt lawyer will take what little I'm getting. Just giving something to God won't do it.

well you know it's easy to have empathy with you and sympathy for you as you can see from the responses here

Just giving something to God won't do it

the thing with God, is that He does allow us to go our own way

 

[EternalSoul]

It just may be the right topic. How to get past ones own self. Jesus was "freely" broken for us. When will we "freely" know His sufferings by simply being a doer of the word with a "true" heart for God? When will we get to the "what we ought to know", getting past what we think we know?

Honestly, at what point do we think our faith is sufficient enough, when without Him we can do nothing? We serve Him and no other, including ourselves. Scripture shows us all these things I've stated in an overwhelming abundance and by those that were partakers of His precious promises.

There is no deception but our own, just as what you stated, "many believers gloss over it". We don't get to pick and choose when the Light shines in our darkness, because our hope is in Him, and it is He that sets any one of us free.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Thanks for your inspiring words, i havnt read bible in months but i think i must now