Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
A change of law is not a change in the immutable God.

As for Noah, Genesis 9:3 says, "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you", but God restricted the diet of the Israelites to only certain animals and birds.

Dino I must ascertain that Genesis 9:3 is not staying that every living thing be made food for Noah, please read what Simcah posted prior in that the actual Hebrew writing shows that Yahweh was saying that every living were to eat green as the herbs which he gave for food. But don’t take mine or thier word for it, study this out, read the actual Hebrew and discover the true meaning of the verse. Why would HE say to eat creatures when there were a limited number of them and they were to replenish the Earth? That makes no sense... what makes even less sense is that Yahweh would go against his own word when HE commanded and made a distinction between clean and unclean animals to Noah prior to them coming on the ark (see scripture below). Also how would Noah know what was clean and unclean without knowing Torah, please try to view with eyes to see and ears to hear and not be blinded by pure rebuttal but rather try to open your mind to Yahweh and what HE has put in place at the foundations of the Earth alongside our Messiah (John 1: 1-5)

Genesis 7:1-9 (NKJV) 1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen [that] you [are] righteous before Me in this generation. 2 "You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that [are] unclean, a male and his female; 3 "also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 "For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made." 5 And Noah did according to all that the LORD commanded him. 6 Noah [was] six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth. 7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that [are] unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.

 

[Grandpa]

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

That's not what God meant? God mis-spoke?

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

That's not what God meant? God mis-spoke?

If you are going to highlight words and claim that I am speaking against God you need to do your due diligence. In the English translation it seems to be a countering thing. However if you get past the English language (bible wasn’t written in English just as an FYI) and look into the Hebrew that it is actually written in, the words and sentence take on a different meaning, a meaning that I believe without a shred of a doubt. And that meaning as I have stated and Simcah have stated and seems like a couple others have agreed to is this: “every living thing shall eat Green as the green herb I have given for food”. Which makes much more sense since there were an extreme limited number of animals coming off the ark that had to go replenish the Earth of thier kind. Please stop rebutting just to rebut and trying to push an idea without first doing due diligence and looking up what has been stated now 3 times THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. Hebrew words and mindsets don’t translate to Greek/English words or mindsets very well. Our scripture was written in hebrew by Hebrew men, with the exception of some of the epistles the original language of the entire bible was Hebrew, we unfortunately only have the Greek translations accessible of the gospels so even there some things may not be as they seem. But for goodness sakes, the Hebrew is readily available for the Old Testament and if you truly want to seek truth start by seeing what the real meaning behind words and verses and passages are. Blue letter bible app makes it super easy to study in this way. Please don’t perish for a lack of knowledge and sharpen your sword by peeling back the English transliteration to get the actual truth that God (Yahweh) wants to speak.

 

[Hevosmies]

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

That's not what God meant? God mis-spoke?

Lucky for you, we got the hebrew roots cultists to set us straight right here in the 21st century!

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Lucky for you, we got the hebrew roots cultists to set us straight right here in the 21st century!

I don’t know where to begin with your insult, but let me say peacefully, I hope that truth is found if it is to be searched, and that God (Yahweh) speaks to those whom have ears to hear and eyes to see, and that the present day Pharisees don’t continue to lead those astray whom are truly trying to increase and seek out knowledge and truth of The Most High.

 

[Hevosmies]

I don’t know where to begin with your insult, but let me say peacefully, I hope that truth is found if it is to be searched, and that God (Yahweh) speaks to those whom have ears to hear and eyes to see, and that the present day Pharisees don’t continue to lead those astray whom are truly trying to increase and seek out knowledge and truth of The Most High.

Dont mind me. I apologize beforehand in case I insult again. I can be very nasty at times when I feel legalism is being promoted, I take it very personally because I have gotten saved OUT OF being a judaizer. I have NO INTENTION of going back.

I find it difficult to take roleplaying fake jews seriously.

How dare I say that? Because: Had you studied with ACTUAL jewish rabbis, you would agree with the translation. They agree with that translation.

Chabad makes it clear: Noahides (That would be righteous gentiles) DO NOT need to keep kosher. And if someone doesnt know what I mean by Noahide, here is a link explaining it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism


New Testament confirms this, eat whatever you please, except meat sacrificed to idols and blood (acts 15). The covenant made with Noah is still going!

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Dont mind me. Probably more insults coming. I can be very nasty at times when I feel legalism is being promoted, I take it very personally because I have gotten saved OUT OF being a judaizer. I have NO INTENTION of going back.

I find it difficult to take roleplaying fake jews seriously.

How dare I say that? Because: Had you studied with ACTUAL jewish rabbis, you would agree with the translation. They agree that Noah was permitted to eat everything at that time.

Chabad makes it clear: Noahides DO NOT need to keep kosher. And if someone doesnt know what I mean by Noahide, here is a link explaining it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism

I don’t claim to be a Jew nor am I role playing as one. I don’t listen to rabbinic teachings because they, like the Pharisees, put a burden on people that is confusing and heavy, for example they claim to be Kosher one must have two kitchens so as to not mix meat and dairy, but there is nothing in scripture stating this. So in essence they add to Torah their own man made laws and I don’t agree with that, Torah and Yahweh’s word is all I need, “for man is not to live by bread alone but the word of Yahweh” paraphrased but you know what I’m referencing here. My point is. Yahweh would not go against his statutes, that makes him fallible and no longer God. What has also been stated is that HE made a clear distinction between clean and unclean animals going into the ark, why then wound he change coming out of the ark? Also why do people not see that it is freeing to follow Yahweh’s statutes and also a great way to set yourselves apart from the world which we are called to do? I’ll take your insults all day and always reply with peace and knowledge so that in the hopes one day you may see more truth than what your pastor or rabbi have taught you.

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

I don’t claim to be a Jew nor am I role playing as one. I don’t listen to rabbinic teachings because they, like the Pharisees, put a burden on people that is confusing and heavy, for example they claim to be Kosher one must have two kitchens so as to not mix meat and dairy, but there is nothing in scripture stating this. So in essence they add to Torah their own man made laws and I don’t agree with that, Torah and Yahweh’s word is all I need, “for man is not to live by bread alone but the word of Yahweh” paraphrased but you know what I’m referencing here. My point is. Yahweh would not go against his statutes, that makes him fallible and no longer God. What has also been stated is that HE made a clear distinction between clean and unclean animals going into the ark, why then wound he change coming out of the ark? Also why do people not see that it is freeing to follow Yahweh’s statutes and also a great way to set yourselves apart from the world which we are called to do? I’ll take your insults all day and always reply with peace and knowledge so that in the hopes one day you may see more truth than what your pastor or rabbi have taught you.

Let me also clarify that I do find some teachings wonderful and eye opening so I’m not lumping all teachings or pastors or rabbis in the “not speaking truth” category, I would hope all would know that but I feel I must clarify otherwise that would be another arrow for someone to shoot with. My point is that we should all be studying and seeking on our own and daily reading HIS word, so that our minds may be open and we can gain understanding and deeper meaning of the entire scriptures. Doing word studies helped me find truth in places of scripture that were confusing prior. My hope and prayer is that we can all see truth and love our God with all our hearts, souls, and minds.

 

[Dino246]

Dino I must ascertain that Genesis 9:3 is not staying that every living thing be made food for Noah, please read what Simcah posted prior in that the actual Hebrew writing shows that Yahweh was saying that every living were to eat green as the herbs which he gave for food. But don’t take mine or thier word for it, study this out, read the actual Hebrew and discover the true meaning of the verse. Why would HE say to eat creatures when there were a limited number of them and they were to replenish the Earth? That makes no sense... what makes even less sense is that Yahweh would go against his own word when HE commanded and made a distinction between clean and unclean animals to Noah prior to them coming on the ark (see scripture below). Also how would Noah know what was clean and unclean without knowing Torah, please try to view with eyes to see and ears to hear and not be blinded by pure rebuttal but rather try to open your mind to Yahweh and what HE has put in place at the foundations of the Earth alongside our Messiah (John 1: 1-5)

You two come along out of nowhere, ignore the context of the conversation, and get in my face with your views on a single verse in Genesis, which don't align with those of the translators over six centuries.

You both use a condescending and pedantic tone, like you consider yourselves "teachers". Declare your qualifications and earn your credibility by AGREEING with the Scriptures, not by contradicting them.

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Dont mind me. I apologize beforehand in case I insult again. I can be very nasty at times when I feel legalism is being promoted, I take it very personally because I have gotten saved OUT OF being a judaizer. I have NO INTENTION of going back.

I find it difficult to take roleplaying fake jews seriously.

How dare I say that? Because: Had you studied with ACTUAL jewish rabbis, you would agree with the translation. They agree with that translation.

Chabad makes it clear: Noahides (That would be righteous gentiles) DO NOT need to keep kosher. And if someone doesnt know what I mean by Noahide, here is a link explaining it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism


New Testament confirms this, eat whatever you please, except meat sacrificed to idols and blood (acts 15). The covenant made with Noah is still going!

You have edited your post a bit so let me reply to the new writings. The Chabad was a movement and revival to call people back to Judaism after being spread abroad the Earth for quite some time (founded in the 1700’s) and 7 laws are meshed with Talmudic based teachings and I agree that the Talmud is very legalistic and burdensome. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical sayings, teachings, and laws. When I say laws I mean rabbinical laws that aren’t included in Torah. I say all that to say that legalism and Talmudic law is burdensome and is what Yahshua (Jesus) is talking about when he was speaking of the Pharisees of his time putting burdens on men and not following it themselves. I am not in any way condoning Talmud or burdensome teachings. I do however say following Torah is the way in which to live and operate in Yahweh’s (Gods) kingdom. And it’s not burdensome in the slightest bit actually cuts a lot of worldly garbage out and frees from the heaviness that is tied in the world and helps us to be separated from the world so that we “be in the world but not of it”

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

You two come along out of nowhere, ignore the context of the conversation, and get in my face with your views on a single verse in Genesis, which don't align with those of the translators over six centuries.

You both use a condescending and pedantic tone, like you consider yourselves "teachers". Declare your qualifications and earn your credibility by AGREEING with the Scriptures, not by contradicting them.

Dino I did not mean to come across condescending and do apologize you feel so. I don’t claim to be a teacher, just sharing what I see and feel is truth in scripture. I base all of what I say in scripture and have continued to urge the original language be looked at and derive the meaning from what is actually written and not translated as. I feel the translators did a great job mostly throughout thier translation, however translations don’t always capture words correctly, and also, mindsets vary greatly so if a word means something and there is no word to accurately translate an inference is made and written, that is why it is imperative in certain cases to look at the original text so that the true meaning can come forth. I don’t want to cause dissension or ill will, I only want to spread what I feel called to spread and that is truth to be found in scripture through the original language and intent. I’m hopeful that all followers of The Most High would daily seek Him out and lean not on teachers words alone but do their own studies as we all have accessible tools and the scriptures at our fingertips to study out.

 

[Grandpa]

Lucky for you, we got the hebrew roots cultists to set us straight right here in the 21st century!

Yeah, I don't see how we trust some pharisees on the internet vs the official translators of the bible.

If you don't like what the bible says you just re-translate it to what you want it to say and tell everyone they don't understand ancient Hebrew.

Seems fishy to me.

 

[Grandpa]

If you are going to highlight words and claim that I am speaking against God you need to do your due diligence. In the English translation it seems to be a countering thing. However if you get past the English language (bible wasn’t written in English just as an FYI) and look into the Hebrew that it is actually written in, the words and sentence take on a different meaning, a meaning that I believe without a shred of a doubt. And that meaning as I have stated and Simcah have stated and seems like a couple others have agreed to is this: “every living thing shall eat Green as the green herb I have given for food”. Which makes much more sense since there were an extreme limited number of animals coming off the ark that had to go replenish the Earth of thier kind. Please stop rebutting just to rebut and trying to push an idea without first doing due diligence and looking up what has been stated now 3 times THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. Hebrew words and mindsets don’t translate to Greek/English words or mindsets very well. Our scripture was written in hebrew by Hebrew men, with the exception of some of the epistles the original language of the entire bible was Hebrew, we unfortunately only have the Greek translations accessible of the gospels so even there some things may not be as they seem. But for goodness sakes, the Hebrew is readily available for the Old Testament and if you truly want to seek truth start by seeing what the real meaning behind words and verses and passages are. Blue letter bible app makes it super easy to study in this way. Please don’t perish for a lack of knowledge and sharpen your sword by peeling back the English transliteration to get the actual truth that God (Yahweh) wants to speak.

So our bibles are wrong?

English is wrong and the bible can only be understood in ancient hebrew?

That's kind of a bummer since no one speaks ancient hebrew.

I guess we just have to trust people like you on the internet instead of our bibles?

C'mon man

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

So our bibles are wrong?

English is wrong and the bible can only be understood in ancient hebrew?

That's kind of a bummer since no one speaks ancient hebrew.

I guess we just have to trust people like you on the internet instead of our bibles?

C'mon man

I agree you shouldn’t just trust my words but study on your own accord, I am not all knowing and have tried to explain in peace and truth. The Bible is not wrong and is the inspired word of our Heavenly Father spoken and written through man. The language used originally was Hebrew and there are many tools to help decipher that writing namely strongs concordance and the inter linear bible showing the English translation next to the Hebrew. Deep study into the two languages while using strongs as a definition asset allows one to see the literal and true words. I’m not claiming to know the depths of ancient Hebrew only utilizing the tools I can to get to the actual meaning..... most of the time the English translates beautifully and perfectly but there are times that the meaning is changed when translated from Hebrew into English, thus using the tools at hand helps show what the actual text states in the effort of seeking the truth. I am a truth seeker and not above saying if I am in the wrong but also walk confidently in what I feel has been discovered through study of His word. Not shooting arrows at anyone only trying to share what I feel I have been shown. Please do not take my words and run with them but rather search them out and seek them out if you feel inclined to do so.... or don’t... it matters not, I am just flesh as we all are and trying to follow our God to the best of my ability.

 

[Endoscopy]

I don’t claim to be a Jew nor am I role playing as one. I don’t listen to rabbinic teachings because they, like the Pharisees, put a burden on people that is confusing and heavy, for example they claim to be Kosher one must have two kitchens so as to not mix meat and dairy, but there is nothing in scripture stating this. So in essence they add to Torah their own man made laws and I don’t agree with that, Torah and Yahweh’s word is all I need, “for man is not to live by bread alone but the word of Yahweh” paraphrased but you know what I’m referencing here. My point is. Yahweh would not go against his statutes, that makes him fallible and no longer God. What has also been stated is that HE made a clear distinction between clean and unclean animals going into the ark, why then wound he change coming out of the ark? Also why do people not see that it is freeing to follow Yahweh’s statutes and also a great way to set yourselves apart from the world which we are called to do? I’ll take your insults all day and always reply with peace and knowledge so that in the hopes one day you may see more truth than what your pastor or rabbi have taught you.

Not 2 kitchens but 2 sets of cooking utensils. Dairy and meat can't cooked in the same utinsil. This goes back to using somewhat porous so the meat and dairy might be mixed.

 

[Dino246]

Dino I did not mean to come across condescending and do apologize you feel so. I don’t claim to be a teacher, just sharing what I see and feel is truth in scripture. I base all of what I say in scripture and have continued to urge the original language be looked at and derive the meaning from what is actually written and not translated as. I feel the translators did a great job mostly throughout thier translation, however translations don’t always capture words correctly, and also, mindsets vary greatly so if a word means something and there is no word to accurately translate an inference is made and written, that is why it is imperative in certain cases to look at the original text so that the true meaning can come forth. I don’t want to cause dissension or ill will, I only want to spread what I feel called to spread and that is truth to be found in scripture through the original language and intent. I’m hopeful that all followers of The Most High would daily seek Him out and lean not on teachers words alone but do their own studies as we all have accessible tools and the scriptures at our fingertips to study out.

I appreciate your respectful reply.

Let me ask you one question: Do you believe that Christians are under the Law as given to Moses, that we should obey its requirements to the best of our ability?

 

[Grandpa]

I agree you shouldn’t just trust my words but study on your own accord, I am not all knowing and have tried to explain in peace and truth. The Bible is not wrong and is the inspired word of our Heavenly Father spoken and written through man. The language used originally was Hebrew and there are many tools to help decipher that writing namely strongs concordance and the inter linear bible showing the English translation next to the Hebrew. Deep study into the two languages while using strongs as a definition asset allows one to see the literal and true words. I’m not claiming to know the depths of ancient Hebrew only utilizing the tools I can to get to the actual meaning..... most of the time the English translates beautifully and perfectly but there are times that the meaning is changed when translated from Hebrew into English, thus using the tools at hand helps show what the actual text states in the effort of seeking the truth. I am a truth seeker and not above saying if I am in the wrong but also walk confidently in what I feel has been discovered through study of His word. Not shooting arrows at anyone only trying to share what I feel I have been shown. Please do not take my words and run with them but rather search them out and seek them out if you feel inclined to do so.... or don’t... it matters not, I am just flesh as we all are and trying to follow our God to the best of my ability.

How is it peace and truth to contradict what the bible plainly says?

Because your personal philosophy doesn't agree with it that makes the bible wrong?

C'mon man

How dumb do you think people are??

Let's re-translate the bible because I don't like what it says.


Let's look at agendas for a moment. What kind of agenda is promoted when the bible is re-written to state that God REALLY wanted Noah to be a vegetarian and NOT eat animals?

That's what you think God REALLY said, right?

So why would God say that all animals in the earth and sea are given into Noahs hand if he is supposed to be a vegetarian?

Why would God tell Noah not to eat meat with the blood still in it if he was supposed to be a vegetarian?

Why would you change just the one verse but not the surrounding verses? Do you just remove them? Or do you need to re-write those too?

 

[tourist]

Yeah, I don't see how we trust some pharisees on the internet vs the official translators of the bible.

If you don't like what the bible says you just re-translate it to what you want it to say and tell everyone they don't understand ancient Hebrew.

Seems fishy to me.

These same people will also say that your understanding of Greek is lacking too.

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

Not 2 kitchens but 2 sets of cooking utensils. Dairy and meat can't cooked in the same utinsil. This goes back to using somewhat porous so the meat and dairy might be mixed.

Thank you for he clarification

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

I appreciate your respectful reply.

Let me ask you one question: Do you believe that Christians are under the Law as given to Moses, that we should obey its requirements to the best of our ability?

Hi Dino,

I do Believe we are to walk out Torah to the best of our abilities and believe that the Messiah came to atone for our sins, fulfilling the shadow picture of what Passover teaches and unleavened bread teaches, raising from the dead to prepare a place for us in Yahweh’s(God’s) kingdom leaving us the spirit fulfilling also fist fruits and Shavuot (Pentecost). But that we are to walk as pure as we can in that gift of salvation by following Torah in our daily lives.