Okay i feel I need to explain what is going on here. First off, everyone here is standing firm in their beliefs. No one is going to budge, its like trying to get a stubborn donkey to follow you. Second, there are two kinds of posts here. One is simply to change someones minds, others here i feel just like to argue. Which is the whole reason this thread was made, have none of you noticed the only popular threads are ones that ppl argue in? This is no longer a debate ppls its a war, So knowing no one is going to change their minds why are we really posting on here? Is it not clear the devil loves dividing us? I notice ppl make threads that would be a popular debate subject but never respond to it at all, it just becomes a war zone. And everyone is getting worked up because ppl do not agree with them, All i am asking is for everyone to open their eyes here, I am going to go read my bible or something instead of wasting my time arguing about this. I invite others to do the same, or you could keep playing into this trap its up to you. Have a nice day everyone:]