Grace

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Can a Christian go to heaven without obedience? No.

If one says they were never a Christian, it will be because they aren’t living like one, thus, a condition has been set, and my point remains.

Take away any form of obedience to God…will someone be saved by His grace?

Surely you will say no, which goes back to my original point, or else it is universalism or Calvinism. Thus, a condition has been set to receive His amazing grace.

Take away His grace…will someone be saved by obedience? No. As no one can obey perfectly.

Thus, one must have obedience to God to receive His grace.

If one was to argue that obedience is the fruit of having salvation, then you still have made it a condition upon having fruit of salvation upon obedience, or else they’d have no evidence of having salvation.

So, once again, either way you slice it, you are left with obedience as a condition. Or else it’s universalism or Calvinism. Take your pick.

Ah okay, just wanted to understand what you're talking about. Thank you!


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[Believer08]

One cannot separate faith from obedience. Would a true saving faith have obedience? Yes. What’s the condition of a true saving faith? Obedience. So, if one doesn’t obey then does that mean they don’t have true saving faith? If the answer is yes (and it is) then there’s a condition. Again, no matter what scenario or statement you or anyone says, there will always be a condition of either being saved, or, some will say never being saved, as they didn’t have evidence, which means there’s a condition. If there’s no condition, then all are saved. Case closed.

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