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“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
Mark 1:1 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15
“And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
Luke 4:43 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
Romans 1:1, 3-5
“Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:19-20, 22-23 KJV
Paul did not preach a different gospel saved by grace through faith means a person hears the real gospel of course th y hear and believe Jesus died and rose that’s in every account of the gospel Paul never says that’s everything
paup presched everything Jesus preached lol because he’s a witness of the only gospel
everything Jesus preached is part of the gospel of the kingdom of God hats the one and only gospel and itnis full of grace and truth that saves if we hear and believe but not if we constantly try reject and try to avoid what’s actually there
Its funny because the hypergrace folk use Paul’s letters as proof of unconditional grace and no duty or actions required but Paul’s letters are probably some of the strictest Christian doctrine in the Bible lol and he’s constantly telling them they need to obey e writhing he’s telling them because they all have to answer for thier works in the end
i would invite people to just read one single letter from Paul maybe the book of Galatians or Ephesians read it as a single letter from an apostle of Jesus Christ and let everything he’s saying be true ……you will find a totally new understanding of what Paul was actually preaching
abut we can’t reject everything we “ don’t agree with “ and call it erroneous Paul wrote the whole letter even the things that require change and repentance and obedience unto salvstion even when pul wrote this ot wasn’t a distraction or anything it’s him trying to make sure they get it
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:”
Philippians 2:12-14 KJV
obedience is our part god teaching us is his
Mark 1:1 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15
“And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
Luke 4:43 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
Romans 1:1, 3-5
“Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:19-20, 22-23 KJV
Paul did not preach a different gospel saved by grace through faith means a person hears the real gospel of course th y hear and believe Jesus died and rose that’s in every account of the gospel Paul never says that’s everything
paup presched everything Jesus preached lol because he’s a witness of the only gospel
everything Jesus preached is part of the gospel of the kingdom of God hats the one and only gospel and itnis full of grace and truth that saves if we hear and believe but not if we constantly try reject and try to avoid what’s actually there
Its funny because the hypergrace folk use Paul’s letters as proof of unconditional grace and no duty or actions required but Paul’s letters are probably some of the strictest Christian doctrine in the Bible lol and he’s constantly telling them they need to obey e writhing he’s telling them because they all have to answer for thier works in the end
i would invite people to just read one single letter from Paul maybe the book of Galatians or Ephesians read it as a single letter from an apostle of Jesus Christ and let everything he’s saying be true ……you will find a totally new understanding of what Paul was actually preaching
abut we can’t reject everything we “ don’t agree with “ and call it erroneous Paul wrote the whole letter even the things that require change and repentance and obedience unto salvstion even when pul wrote this ot wasn’t a distraction or anything it’s him trying to make sure they get it
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:”
Philippians 2:12-14 KJV
obedience is our part god teaching us is his
The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. John the Baptist also preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2)
Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and "Pre Cross" they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This shows that before the cross, the more distinct element to the content of the gospel of the grace of God that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.
In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.
“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:331-34.Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
I don't believe there are multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and "Pre Cross" they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This shows that before the cross, the more distinct element to the content of the gospel of the grace of God that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.
In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.
“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:331-34.Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
I don't believe there are multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
“The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. “
yeah and then he said
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
Then he sent his apostles out to do the same like Paul for instance jesus servant and witness he preached the same gospel to say the gospel is the good news and but wait haha
your saying our Kord coming and promising everlasting life ? Resurrection of the dead ? To mortal humans who are ll gonna die ? You’re saying Jesus promising a new perfect world we’re death doesn’t exist and where sin doesn’t exist and sorrow doesn’t exist and we will walk and talk with him this isn’t good news ?
You’re saying what paul said in a few sentences with no context …..is somehow better than the real gospel Jesus was sent to earth to promise mankind which paul wholly believed and presched ?
What’s better news than this friend ?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
What’s better than this ?
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
what’s better news than this ?
“And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:48, 50 KJV
What’s better than
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
air you guys who push this stuff would just truly go read the four gospels you would hear the good news that God has spoken forth to sinners for salvation in his eternal kingdom
there is no other gospel but the real one there are four books dedicated to the gospel Jesus died and rose and that’s in every one of them Paul preached it all though eternal judgement , repentance , obedience , ect it’s all working to change believers there is no gospel of grace other than the real gospel
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17
The gospel of the kingdom of God is what Paul preached also he calls it the gospel of hope the gospel of grace the gospel of god the gospel of gods son but he’s not talking about five gospels he’s just talking about but e real gospel of which he became a believer and apostle there’s no second gospel that’s a true heresy that can destroy souls no matter how we try to spin it and explain it paul was one of twelve apostles that preached thy the gospel to Jews first and then gentiles
the doctrine was the same from all of them Peter was preaching grace and faith too he just uses other words like Paul Peter always made sure the rest was there too the repentance and obedience part the warnings out continuing in sin part the eternal judgement to come parts
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:15-18 KJV
the gospel is full of grace and faith but not if we avoid it by claiming there’s a different gospel …..
yeah and then he said
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
Then he sent his apostles out to do the same like Paul for instance jesus servant and witness he preached the same gospel to say the gospel is the good news and but wait haha
your saying our Kord coming and promising everlasting life ? Resurrection of the dead ? To mortal humans who are ll gonna die ? You’re saying Jesus promising a new perfect world we’re death doesn’t exist and where sin doesn’t exist and sorrow doesn’t exist and we will walk and talk with him this isn’t good news ?
You’re saying what paul said in a few sentences with no context …..is somehow better than the real gospel Jesus was sent to earth to promise mankind which paul wholly believed and presched ?
What’s better news than this friend ?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
What’s better than this ?
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
what’s better news than this ?
“And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:48, 50 KJV
What’s better than
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
air you guys who push this stuff would just truly go read the four gospels you would hear the good news that God has spoken forth to sinners for salvation in his eternal kingdom
there is no other gospel but the real one there are four books dedicated to the gospel Jesus died and rose and that’s in every one of them Paul preached it all though eternal judgement , repentance , obedience , ect it’s all working to change believers there is no gospel of grace other than the real gospel
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17
The gospel of the kingdom of God is what Paul preached also he calls it the gospel of hope the gospel of grace the gospel of god the gospel of gods son but he’s not talking about five gospels he’s just talking about but e real gospel of which he became a believer and apostle there’s no second gospel that’s a true heresy that can destroy souls no matter how we try to spin it and explain it paul was one of twelve apostles that preached thy the gospel to Jews first and then gentiles
the doctrine was the same from all of them Peter was preaching grace and faith too he just uses other words like Paul Peter always made sure the rest was there too the repentance and obedience part the warnings out continuing in sin part the eternal judgement to come parts
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:15-18 KJV
the gospel is full of grace and faith but not if we avoid it by claiming there’s a different gospel …..
We have "grace believers stop" we have "Christians protest". When some unknown Christian starts telling other Christians that belong to a GOD what to do puts up some red fags for me. The same goes for me if I did it. Some will jump on this high five it so to speak others will try to make it more clear because they see better. What Harry Bultema said or didn't say no different then adding say "Billy Graham said...". Granted Calvinism comes into play here. Pfft way to many *ism.
See its not the holy spirit talking its just a believer that disagrees with other believers yet steps where they should not. Telling others to stop just pushes them away. See who are you talking to? Maybe address them PM them? Or talk more about Grace works and scriptures and why you believe what ever it is you do believe in.
See its not the holy spirit talking its just a believer that disagrees with other believers yet steps where they should not. Telling others to stop just pushes them away. See who are you talking to? Maybe address them PM them? Or talk more about Grace works and scriptures and why you believe what ever it is you do believe in.
The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. John the Baptist also preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2)
The apostle Paul under oath
“Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:19-23
The apostle Paul in Ephesus
“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
Acts 20:25
The apostle Paul in rome our last record of his ministry before his execution
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, ( the gospel ) with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31 KJV
he apostle Paul’s letter to the Corinthians
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
The apostle Paul
“who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
Colossians 1:13-14 KJV
The apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom the “ gospel “ is short for the gospel of the kingdom this gospel
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
Paul again
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David ( the kingdom promised to David’s line ) according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
Romans 1:1, 3-6 KJV
Again paul clueing himself with the other apostles
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 7-9 KJV
Paul was an apostle of Jesus he was preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God don’t we make the connection that Paul is talking about the same things Jesus is ?
Forgivness of sins , mercy grace truth eternal life salvstion from sin and death a place in the fathers house being called the children of God knowing our father loves us Paul would not have had any content in his letters if he wasn’t preaching the true gospel
he taught the same things they all taught the first thing Peter taught was Jesus was crucified and raised up th ev third day too just like Paul because that’s where you have to begin belief as a sinner seeking redemption he simply said “ the first thing I taught you “ he never ever said don’t accept anything else you learn lol
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
This does not th en erase e rest of the gospel because Paul said “ the first thing I told you was what I first received Jesus died and rose ….. this doesn’t mean Paul’s preaching a different gospel it’s crazy how far some go like just this one verse here shuts down the whole Paul’s dofferent gospel for Jew and gentile theory
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 KJV
In other words foret the fospem was preached to Jews only then after he sent them to preach it to all people not a different gospel the same one the same kingdom forst offered to Jews because of their election then offered to gentile because of their rejection
the gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of grace the gospel of salvstion the gospel of god the gospel of Christ the gospel the gospel of Hope
paulnises wll those terms he’s not creating many gospels he’s describing how wor th y the true gospel is it’s full of grace Hope salvstion truth righteousness his catch phrases aren’t doctrine thier summaries each sentence doesn’t erase the others it’s all true
The apostle Paul under oath
“Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:19-23
The apostle Paul in Ephesus
“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
Acts 20:25
The apostle Paul in rome our last record of his ministry before his execution
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, ( the gospel ) with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31 KJV
he apostle Paul’s letter to the Corinthians
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
The apostle Paul
“who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
Colossians 1:13-14 KJV
The apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom the “ gospel “ is short for the gospel of the kingdom this gospel
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
Paul again
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David ( the kingdom promised to David’s line ) according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
Romans 1:1, 3-6 KJV
Again paul clueing himself with the other apostles
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 7-9 KJV
Paul was an apostle of Jesus he was preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God don’t we make the connection that Paul is talking about the same things Jesus is ?
Forgivness of sins , mercy grace truth eternal life salvstion from sin and death a place in the fathers house being called the children of God knowing our father loves us Paul would not have had any content in his letters if he wasn’t preaching the true gospel
he taught the same things they all taught the first thing Peter taught was Jesus was crucified and raised up th ev third day too just like Paul because that’s where you have to begin belief as a sinner seeking redemption he simply said “ the first thing I taught you “ he never ever said don’t accept anything else you learn lol
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
This does not th en erase e rest of the gospel because Paul said “ the first thing I told you was what I first received Jesus died and rose ….. this doesn’t mean Paul’s preaching a different gospel it’s crazy how far some go like just this one verse here shuts down the whole Paul’s dofferent gospel for Jew and gentile theory
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 KJV
In other words foret the fospem was preached to Jews only then after he sent them to preach it to all people not a different gospel the same one the same kingdom forst offered to Jews because of their election then offered to gentile because of their rejection
the gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of grace the gospel of salvstion the gospel of god the gospel of Christ the gospel the gospel of Hope
paulnises wll those terms he’s not creating many gospels he’s describing how wor th y the true gospel is it’s full of grace Hope salvstion truth righteousness his catch phrases aren’t doctrine thier summaries each sentence doesn’t erase the others it’s all true
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so Lordship does not back load works into the Gospel, but rather works are a central part of the Gospel that Jesus taught. Likewise, in Romans 15:18-19, Paul's Gospel involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed. Furthermore, Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel.
Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as a wage as the result of our obedience to it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from not dong those works.
In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, and in Luke 10:25-28, he said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so verses like these combined with verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that God's commandments are His instructions for how to believe in Jesus. In other words, Jesus is God's word made flesh, so the way to trust him is by obeying God's word and it is contradictory to trust him instead of trusting God's word. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting His instructions, while it it is contradictory to think that we should trust in God, but not in His instructions.
In Romans 10:5-10, our faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead.
Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as a wage as the result of our obedience to it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from not dong those works.
In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, and in Luke 10:25-28, he said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so verses like these combined with verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that God's commandments are His instructions for how to believe in Jesus. In other words, Jesus is God's word made flesh, so the way to trust him is by obeying God's word and it is contradictory to trust him instead of trusting God's word. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting His instructions, while it it is contradictory to think that we should trust in God, but not in His instructions.
In Romans 10:5-10, our faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so Christians do not need to add works to the Gospel of Christ because they are already a central part of his Gospel. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we are not required to earn our salvation as the result of our works, doing good works in obedience to it through faith in Jesus tis nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not doing that. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous of doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).
The Bible frequently connections having faith/believing in God with our obedience to Him. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law. In James 2:18, he would show his faith by his works. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as kept God's commandments. In John 3:36, believing in Jesus is equated with obeying him. In John 6:40, the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus, and Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that obeying the greatest two commandments is the way to inherit eternal life, so obeying the greatest two commandments is the way to believe in Jesus. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is an example of works. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith. In Hebrews 3:18-19, unbelief is equated with disobedience, and so forth.
Do you understand the difference between justification by grace through faith APART FROM good works, and sanctification which requires good works? Obviously you do not, but both are spelled out in Ephesians 2:8-10:
JUSTIFICATION APART FROM GOOD WORKS
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
SANCTIFICATION TO INCLUDE GOOD WORKS
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
JUSTIFICATION APART FROM GOOD WORKS
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
SANCTIFICATION TO INCLUDE GOOD WORKS
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 notably does not state that it is distinguishing between justification and sanctification as you suggest. Denying that our salvation is not the result of our works is not the same as denying that our salvation involves doing works. Again, while do not earn our salvation as the result of our works, doing good works through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us form not doing good works. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while our Paul denied that salvation is earned as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, doing good works is nevertheless intrinsically part of our salvation from not doing good works.
While Paul denied in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our justification as a wage as the result of our works, he also said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the law will be justified, so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to obey God's law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:31).
While Paul denied in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our justification as a wage as the result of our works, he also said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the law will be justified, so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to obey God's law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:31).
Again, you are ignoring the book of John, which assures believers they have eternal life and does not have works involved. So these verses need to be compared with the likes of John 3:16, 5:24, 8:40 etc..
As Nehemiah posted.. you are mixing up justification with sanctification.. salvation with service.
God does want us, of course, to obey Him. Believing Jesus for eternal life IS obeying Jesus. This is the work of God.. they you believe in Jesus.
Works .. are not part of gaining salvation.. otherwise what is Jesus' sacrifice for? No one can keep up God's standard of law of righteousness.. no one.. it's not possible. The law is the end of righteousness for all who believe in Him.
Salvation is not about 'I'.. it's about Jesus. We don't get to heaven because 'we' did something.. but because HE gets us there! It's all about Him.. not us. That's the whole point.
Many many verses in the bible are about service to God having been already justified.. already given everlasting life. They aren't verses about getting eternal life in the first place.
The prime example is 'faith without works is dead'.. which gets quoted soooooo often, with no context of the verses surrounding it.
The verses around it are all about what people do with faith they already have. Not that they have to do the works they did to get salvation.. not that they have to do the works they did to prove their salvation. They already had salvation. Rahab etc.. were showing their faith voluntarily in response to the love they were given at salvation.
James speaks of Abraham being justified by works
Paul speaks of Abraham being justified not by works
Contradiction?
No. They aren't talking about the same thing. James is talking about acts of service pleasing to God. 'Justified' as in 'approved' 'righteous'.
Paul.. mainly about salvation in the first place that is justification by the atonement of Jesus Christ in forgiving sin and giving eternal life. See Romans 10.
They aren't contradicting each-other.. it's different subjects.
Here is the key thing. How did you get converted? Because YOU did something to get converted.. or because Jesus saved you apart from anything YOU did.. aside from believing in HIM.
We don't get to heaven and say to God I can get in because 'I obeyed your commandments, I was a good person'.. we get to heaven because Jesus gets us there since we can't obey all the commandments to God's standard.
As Nehemiah posted.. you are mixing up justification with sanctification.. salvation with service.
God does want us, of course, to obey Him. Believing Jesus for eternal life IS obeying Jesus. This is the work of God.. they you believe in Jesus.
Works .. are not part of gaining salvation.. otherwise what is Jesus' sacrifice for? No one can keep up God's standard of law of righteousness.. no one.. it's not possible. The law is the end of righteousness for all who believe in Him.
Salvation is not about 'I'.. it's about Jesus. We don't get to heaven because 'we' did something.. but because HE gets us there! It's all about Him.. not us. That's the whole point.
Many many verses in the bible are about service to God having been already justified.. already given everlasting life. They aren't verses about getting eternal life in the first place.
The prime example is 'faith without works is dead'.. which gets quoted soooooo often, with no context of the verses surrounding it.
The verses around it are all about what people do with faith they already have. Not that they have to do the works they did to get salvation.. not that they have to do the works they did to prove their salvation. They already had salvation. Rahab etc.. were showing their faith voluntarily in response to the love they were given at salvation.
James speaks of Abraham being justified by works
Paul speaks of Abraham being justified not by works
Contradiction?
No. They aren't talking about the same thing. James is talking about acts of service pleasing to God. 'Justified' as in 'approved' 'righteous'.
Paul.. mainly about salvation in the first place that is justification by the atonement of Jesus Christ in forgiving sin and giving eternal life. See Romans 10.
They aren't contradicting each-other.. it's different subjects.
Here is the key thing. How did you get converted? Because YOU did something to get converted.. or because Jesus saved you apart from anything YOU did.. aside from believing in HIM.
We don't get to heaven and say to God I can get in because 'I obeyed your commandments, I was a good person'.. we get to heaven because Jesus gets us there since we can't obey all the commandments to God's standard.
Here's how you get saved from Hell.
"16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? "
Romans 10:16
See how It's obedience to Believing the gospel.?
"16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Romans 1:16
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:16
"16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace"
Romans 4:16
"16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:.......16
That's Sweet 16.
Obey the gospel, my friend, and you will have everlasting life.
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I did not ignore verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus, but rather I said:
"In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, and in Luke 10:25-28, he said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so verses like these combined with verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that God's commandments are His instructions for how to believe in Jesus
I said:
"Ephesians 2:8-10 notably does not state that it is distinguishing between justification and sanctification as you suggest."
By doing good works we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to God (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness, we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him, which is why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him.
"In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, and in Luke 10:25-28, he said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, so verses like these combined with verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in Jesus means that God's commandments are His instructions for how to believe in Jesus
I said:
"Ephesians 2:8-10 notably does not state that it is distinguishing between justification and sanctification as you suggest."
By doing good works we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to God (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness, we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him, which is why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him.
i noticed this was not addressed by anyone. and i understand why. because, this is much like how God has Drawn All of us to Him. but as we clearly see, even when God draws you to Him, it is possible to reject Him, like those in Romans Chapter 1.
so, God not only Died for every single Person who has, is, and will be living, but, He also has Drawn All of them to Him.
But only a few, compared to the whole of all humanity, choose the Narrow Path.
unfortunately, Romans 1, proves this.
so, God not only Died for every single Person who has, is, and will be living, but, He also has Drawn All of them to Him.
But only a few, compared to the whole of all humanity, choose the Narrow Path.
unfortunately, Romans 1, proves this.
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Haha? What's so funny? The "good news" of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come indeed. That still doesn't change what I explained to you in post #23.
I never said that was not good news.
Both Jesus and Paul preached the real gospel yet prior to the cross the full content of the gospel that Paul preached was still a mystery.
Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.
Do you understand what a mystery is? Can you show me before the cross where the 12 disciples were preaching about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel? I'll be waiting.
All of it is good news yet not everything was revealed all at once.
I never said that something was better than this. It's not about better or different gospels. It's about progressive revelation.
Yes, we read about the good news forth to sinners for salvation in His eternal kingdom in the four gospel accounts, but what about the rest? Should we just ignore Ephesians 3:1-9 and pretend that prior to the cross, the 12 disciples were preaching this mystery? Again, Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
After Jesus' crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
Once again, it's not about multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
I'll be waiting for you to show me where before the cross the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, along with this same mystery that Paul preached in Ephesians 3:1-9.
Amen!
I never said there was a second gospel. I said through progressive revelation there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown.
I challenge you to show me BEFORE THE CROSS where the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and also where the 12 disciples preached the further content of the mystery of the gospel, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel. What's heresy is a "different" gospel that promotes salvation by works. (Galatians 1:6-9) Do you even understand the purpose of Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-16?
It sounds to me like you don't understand what a mystery is or progressive revelation and you also lean towards salvation by works.
You seem determined to judge and condemn me and you don't seem to understand that I am NOT claiming there's a different gospel.
I never said that was not good news.
Both Jesus and Paul preached the real gospel yet prior to the cross the full content of the gospel that Paul preached was still a mystery.
Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.
Do you understand what a mystery is? Can you show me before the cross where the 12 disciples were preaching about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel? I'll be waiting.
All of it is good news yet not everything was revealed all at once.
I never said that something was better than this. It's not about better or different gospels. It's about progressive revelation.
Yes, we read about the good news forth to sinners for salvation in His eternal kingdom in the four gospel accounts, but what about the rest? Should we just ignore Ephesians 3:1-9 and pretend that prior to the cross, the 12 disciples were preaching this mystery? Again, Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
After Jesus' crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
Once again, it's not about multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
I'll be waiting for you to show me where before the cross the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, along with this same mystery that Paul preached in Ephesians 3:1-9.
Amen!
I never said there was a second gospel. I said through progressive revelation there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown.
I challenge you to show me BEFORE THE CROSS where the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and also where the 12 disciples preached the further content of the mystery of the gospel, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel. What's heresy is a "different" gospel that promotes salvation by works. (Galatians 1:6-9) Do you even understand the purpose of Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-16?
It sounds to me like you don't understand what a mystery is or progressive revelation and you also lean towards salvation by works.
You seem determined to judge and condemn me and you don't seem to understand that I am NOT claiming there's a different gospel.
Yes, we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" believing the gospel and becoming saved.
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Haha? What's so funny? The "good news" of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come indeed. That still doesn't change what I explained to you in post #23.
I never said that was not good news.
Both Jesus and Paul preached the real gospel yet prior to the cross the full content of the gospel that Paul preached was still a mystery.
Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.
Do you understand what a mystery is? Can you show me before the cross where the 12 disciples were preaching about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel? I'll be waiting.
All of it is good news yet not everything was revealed all at once.
I never said that something was better than this. It's not about better or different gospels. It's about progressive revelation.
Yes, we read about the good news forth to sinners for salvation in His eternal kingdom in the four gospel accounts, but what about the rest? Should we just ignore Ephesians 3:1-9 and pretend that prior to the cross, the 12 disciples were preaching this mystery? Again, Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
After Jesus' crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
Once again, it's not about multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
I'll be waiting for you to show me where before the cross the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, along with this same mystery that Paul preached in Ephesians 3:1-9.
Amen!
I never said there was a second gospel. I said through progressive revelation there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown.
I challenge you to show me BEFORE THE CROSS where the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and also where the 12 disciples preached the further content of the mystery of the gospel, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel. What's heresy is a "different" gospel that promotes salvation by works. (Galatians 1:6-9) Do you even understand the purpose of Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-16?
It sounds to me like you don't understand what a mystery is or progressive revelation and you also lean towards salvation by works.
You seem determined to judge and condemn me and you don't seem to understand that I am NOT claiming there's a different gospel.
I never said that was not good news.
Both Jesus and Paul preached the real gospel yet prior to the cross the full content of the gospel that Paul preached was still a mystery.
Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what the fellowship of the mystery is, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.
Do you understand what a mystery is? Can you show me before the cross where the 12 disciples were preaching about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel? I'll be waiting.
All of it is good news yet not everything was revealed all at once.
I never said that something was better than this. It's not about better or different gospels. It's about progressive revelation.
Yes, we read about the good news forth to sinners for salvation in His eternal kingdom in the four gospel accounts, but what about the rest? Should we just ignore Ephesians 3:1-9 and pretend that prior to the cross, the 12 disciples were preaching this mystery? Again, Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
After Jesus' crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)
Once again, it's not about multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
I'll be waiting for you to show me where before the cross the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, along with this same mystery that Paul preached in Ephesians 3:1-9.
Amen!
I never said there was a second gospel. I said through progressive revelation there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown.
I challenge you to show me BEFORE THE CROSS where the 12 disciples preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and also where the 12 disciples preached the further content of the mystery of the gospel, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel. What's heresy is a "different" gospel that promotes salvation by works. (Galatians 1:6-9) Do you even understand the purpose of Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-16?
It sounds to me like you don't understand what a mystery is or progressive revelation and you also lean towards salvation by works.
You seem determined to judge and condemn me and you don't seem to understand that I am NOT claiming there's a different gospel.
Why do you define what Paul preached with a couple select verses but the rest of it is not part of what Paul preached ?
Did Paul preach this ?
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
of course he did because that’s also part of the gospel that Jesus taught
did paul preach this like he claims or will you explain it to me ?
“but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. ( Paul taught Jews the same as gentiles )
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:20, 22-23 KJV
Is Paul wrong again about what he taught people ? Was he re inventing things ? Or did he just have his eyes opened by Jesus so he could understand the ot scripture ? and what it said about Christ ?
Do you see what Paul said there ? It’s written in the prophets law and psalms …..
Paul was an official apostle who preached the gospel people today are distorting his doctrine so mderstsnd I’m not saying Paul isn’t genuine I’m saying he did go around saying “ grace Jesus died your save the end “ he taught the same doctrine Jesus did
Repentance from sin ,baptism for remission of sins , doing the Will of God not serving sin any more underrrsndonf we do have to answer for our works he taught about our eternal home with Christ in his kingdom , he taught about God the father , Jesus the son and his Holy Spirit which is as much a part of the gospel as Jesus dying and being raised everything you find in Mathew mark Luke and John. Is the gospel that Paul agreed with believed and preached just exactly like every other apostle they all preached to gentiles and Jews Jews first then gentiles like pul did first to Jew then gentile because the Jews were vastly rejecting it
the gospel is more than Jesus dying and being raised it’s why I’m the holy Bible you have four account of the gospel all about Jesus the lord and his kingdom promised to believers
again jesus dying and being raised up is the gospel it is not the entire gospel the gospel is also Jesus doctrine his death is just part of what we learn on the gospel
Paul was never trying to exclude the words of Jesus Christ from the gospel he preached the gospel it’s salvation as is d will ever change
Is this what Paul preached ?
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-
I’m n one hand you’ve said Jesus and John preached the gospel of the kingdom which isn’t correct John was preaching the baptism of repentance for remission of sins Jesus began preaching the gospel after John was put in prison jesus preached the gospel friend
So saying paul preached the gospel of the kingdom ? And Jesus death and resurrection is part of it then ?