GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

=posthuman;3584905]

Paul certainly knows the Greek words for '

traditions and commandments of men'
-- he's the very one who gave us the phrase
so when he writes "the Law" it is completely indefensible to suggest that what he really means is 'traditions and commandments of men'

"the Law" means "the Law" no matter how much anyone's personal doctrine is offended by it being found written, "the Law"
our opinions were not considered when the scripture was given. only the truth.

OK Post, the Law is the Law. Let's test your preaching here.

Rom. 2:[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So Law means Law. There is only one and it can't come from man. Law means Law.

Phil. 3:[5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

So Paul and the Pharisees were "blameless" doers of the Law, therefore, according to your religion, they were justified before God, Blameless because "Law means Law".

John 7:[19] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Wait a minute, Jesus is saying the same thing that "studydude" is saying. Doesn't Jesus know that the Law means Law? doesn't He realize the Pharisees are "Blameless" as to God's Laws?

Acts 7:[52] Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
[53] Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Wow, here is another ignorant Christian. Doesn't he know Post has established that Saul and the Pharisees are "blameless" as toughing the Law of God. "Law means Law.

So Post, why do you think Jesus and Stephen are lying about Saul and the Pharisees. Is that why you think they Killed Jesus and Stephen, because they were telling lies about them?

After all, the Law means Law and according to your religion Paul and the Pharisees were following the one and only Law that exists. And the Law means Law. and the "doers of the Law" are justified.

Matt. 15:[1] Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
[2] Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
[3] But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

[9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

But wait, you preach there are no "Commandments of men" followed by the Pharisees. The Law is the Law, the Commandment is the Commandment.

You said Paul and the Pharisees didn't create their own "law", there is only one Law and Law means Law, and they were Blameless as touching the only Law.

So once again, in your religion, Jesus is lying.

the premise of the question, "

is Paul giving a list of damnable offenses or a list of things that justify confidence in the flesh?" is that Paul literally tells us in the text what kind of list he is giving. in order to disagree with him, you must call scripture a lie.

As I have been trying to explain. for me to believe your preaching, I am forced to believe Jesus is a liar,, Stephen is a liar, the entire Law and Prophets, who prophesied about the Pharisees are liars as well.

You are free to build your religious foundation on your interpretation of Philippians 3 if you like. But I believe in the Christ, and His Word's, even His teaching about Saul and the Pharisees.

I think you are wrong about Paul's intent in Philippians 3, therefore the premise of your question is also wrong. If you are willing to deny the Christ to preserve your ancient religious traditions, I don't know what say.

the Bible is correct, and anyone who feels the need to edit it in order to keep their private interpretation, has a private interpretation that is wrong.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[gb9]

I thought I answered this question in the post you replied to.

you have yet to answer anyone's questions. why were the Pharisees searching Scripture for eternal like. Jesus said this to them. if they disregarded Scripture, as you say, then why would Jesus say this to them??

by the way, Jesus also called Peter satan. since the catholics claim him as the first pope, and we both know ( and agree ) on the Vatican " stuff ", one could make a strong case for saying that Peter was a secret Satanist.

I mean, be consistent.

 

[Studyman]

You disregard the Apostles Creed was created by the early elders as a doctrinal statement defining the beliefs that a person must believe to be a Christian. At the time there were heresies and legitimate differences of opinion. The creed was an attack on the heresies and ignored the differences of opinion. Therefore relegating these differences of opinion to agree to disagree. We can discuss these differences with polite discussion but you go over that line with your disgusting accusations. You believe the full pretorist view of eschatology that I totally disagree with. When I discuss that with you I don't make the kind of accusations you make here. Please tone down your rhetoric as becoming of a Christian.

He loves its gentle warble,
He loves its gentle flow,
He loves to wind his tongue up,
He loves to let it go.

I just wish it was factual.

 

[Studyman]

you have yet to answer anyone's questions. why were the Pharisees searching Scripture for eternal like. Jesus said this to them. if they disregarded Scripture, as you say, then why would Jesus say this to them??

by the way, Jesus also called Peter satan. since the catholics claim him as the first pope, and we both know ( and agree ) on the Vatican " stuff ", one could make a strong case for saying that Peter was a secret Satanist.

I mean, be consistent.

If you want to compare the Pharisees with Peter, be my guest.

I answered your question in "9620.

 

[PS]

=posthuman;3584905]

OK Post, the Law is the Law. Let's test your preaching here.

Rom. 2:[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So Law means Law. There is only one and it can't come from man. Law means Law.

Phil. 3:[5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

So Paul and the Pharisees were "blameless" doers of the Law, therefore, according to your religion, they were justified before God, Blameless because "Law means Law".

John 7:[19] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Wait a minute, Jesus is saying the same thing that "studydude" is saying. Doesn't Jesus know that the Law means Law? doesn't He realize the Pharisees are "Blameless" as to God's Laws?

Blameless according to the law, but there was one thing they lacked, they did not follow Jesus (the Word made flesh). They worshipped their own false god, Mammon. (Money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. "You cannot serve both God and mammon.")

Luk 18:18-22
(18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
(19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
(20) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
(21) And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
(22) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

 

[posthuman]

OK Post, the Law is the Law. Let's test your preaching here.

Rom. 2:[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

So Law means Law. There is only one and it can't come from man. Law means Law.

Phil. 3:[5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

So Paul and the Pharisees were "blameless" doers of the Law, therefore, according to your religion, they were justified before God, Blameless because "Law means Law".

John 7:[19] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Wait a minute, Jesus is saying the same thing that "studydude" is saying. Doesn't Jesus know that the Law means Law? doesn't He realize the Pharisees are "Blameless" as to God's Laws?

Acts 7:[52] Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
[53] Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Wow, here is another ignorant Christian. Doesn't he know Post has established that Saul and the Pharisees are "blameless" as toughing the Law of God. "Law means Law.

So Post, why do you think Jesus and Stephen are lying about Saul and the Pharisees. Is that why you think they Killed Jesus and Stephen, because they were telling lies about them?

After all, the Law means Law and according to your religion Paul and the Pharisees were following the one and only Law that exists. And the Law means Law. and the "doers of the Law" are justified.

so much for Zechariah and Abijah, you say ?
Luke 1:6 is also a lie, you think? or do you have double standards.

 

[posthuman]

So Paul and the Pharisees were "blameless" doers of the Law, therefore, according to your religion

slander.

Philippians 3:4-6 does not say 'because i am a pharisee, i am blameless with regard to the righteousness of the Law'

and post has never said any such thing.

 

[posthuman]

Wow, here is another ignorant Christian. Doesn't he know Post has established that Saul and the Pharisees are "blameless" as toughing the Law of God.

slander.

same as previous reply; no one has ever said 'all Pharisees are blameless'

Paul himself made such a claim, in Philippians 3:6, about himself. not about others.
if you disagree with the scripture, write God a letter and ask Him to revise His text.

 

[Studyman]

slander.

Philippians 3:4-6 does not say 'because i am a pharisee, i am blameless with regard to the righteousness of the Law'

and post has never said any such thing.

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee"

 

[posthuman]

But wait, you preach there are no "Commandments of men" followed by the Pharisees.

slander.

just a few hours ago, i explicitly wrote that the Pharisees created their own traditions & added them to the Law.

i have never said there are no 'commandments of men'

i said, when the scripture says "the Law" it means "the Law"
you say it's your prerogative to revise the text and replace 'Law' with 'merely human traditions' wherever you see fit.

when you do that, you make it abundantly clear that you put your opinion above the Word.

when challenged, you slander. we've all seen you do this consistently for 6mo now. how much longer?

 

[posthuman]

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee"

what is the context?

is he giving a list of damnable offenses?

what kind of list does he say he's giving?

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee"

this does not say "all Pharisees are blameless"
it's Paul saying, he himself is a Pharisee.
are you attempting to re-write the scripture here, too?

 

[gb9]

If you want to compare the Pharisees with Peter, be my guest.

I answered your question in "9620.

this is the model that some would prefer-

the holy man goes into the sacred temple and reads the sacred texts. then, he comes out and tells us what the sacred texts say, and what we are to do and not do.

the holy man does not tolerate or answer questions. his word is iron-cald.

no one else can read and interpret the sacred text. no one double sure can't ask any questions about the sacred texts, where they can from, what language they were originally written in. how that translates into our language.

anyone who says any different than holy man is under the influence of the enemy. any other person who says anything about the holy texts is wrong, because only the holy man can properly interpret the texts.

this remind ya'll of anyone on here??

 

[posthuman]

So Post, why do you think Jesus and Stephen are lying about Saul and the Pharisees.

slander.

i have never said once, not in my entire life, that either Jesus or Stephen are lying.

post is not the one who goes around replacing the text of scripture with what he wishes it says, instead of shaping his thoughts by what it actually says.

 

[posthuman]

You said Paul and the Pharisees didn't create their own "law", there is only one Law and Law means Law, and they were Blameless as touching the only Law.

So once again, in your religion, Jesus is lying.

slander.

i have never said any such things.

i have said, consistently, that when the Bible says 'the Law' it means 'the Law'
when the Holy Spirit wants to say 'merely human traditions and commandments of men' the Holy Spirit does so.

you don't get to put words in Gods mouth that He never said. that's evil.
((Ezekiel 13:1-9, Jeremiah 26:16-22, etc))

 

[Dan_473]

Amen to that!

 

[Studyman]

slander.

same as previous reply; no one has ever said 'all Pharisees are blameless'

Paul himself made such a claim, in Philippians 3:6, about himself. not about others.
if you disagree with the scripture, write God a letter and ask Him to revise His text.

I agree with all scriptures, not just the ones which further ancient religious traditions. Paul never said He was blameless as to "God's Laws". He said, "As touching the Law, a Pharisee". You reject what Jesus and others teach regarding the Pharisees. I don't.


I posted scriptures which bring your preaching of Phil. 3 into question.

You have not even replied, responded, countered, nothing. You act as if these scriptures don't exist and that my opposition to your preaching comes from thin air.

You treat this chapter as if it's the Bible, the only place that discusses "Law", the only scriptures that are available for our understanding of the Pharisees.

You even reject Paul's own Word's describing Himself as if they don't exist.

Gal. 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

In your religion, am I not allowed to consider other scriptures when in study?

Is it possible that when Paul said "As touching the Law, a Pharisee" he meant he followed the "Law" of the Pharisees, the Jews Religion which Jesus said "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own traditions"?

That the Jews religious Leaders, the Pharisees, "taught for Doctrines the Commandments of Men", and this is the Law of the Pharisees that Paul followed perfectly?

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Would Paul be ignorant of this "LAW" that the Pharisees placed on the backs of the people?

What if this is what Paul means when he says "As touching the Law, a Pharisee".

Why did Jesus allow Zechariahs to know him and not Paul if they both followed the same law, "Blameless".


There are some things that are just truth Post. The preaching that the Pharisees, including Saul, were following God's Laws "blameless" is an insidious lie that the entire Bible exposes.

You are free to reject and ignore all the scriptures you want. But don't act as if my opposition to your religious teaching in this matter comes from my own mind. Because it doesn't.

 

[Dan_473]

Stupid 5 minute rule again.

One rule was setting aside their money for religious purposes and thereby not taking care of their parents.

say Endoscopy, if you don't mind my asking, what problem are you having?

I've been using an LG phone with Chrome browser and the default keyboard for about a year or so now, and never had any significant problems.

Just recently, I discovered Google voice typing, which I'm using at this moment. seems to work great.

I also type everything into a text editor first, clean it up, and then copy paste into the posting box.

 

[posthuman]

You reject what Jesus and others teach regarding the Pharisees.

slander

You have not even replied, responded, countered, nothing.

slander

You act as if these scriptures don't exist and that my opposition to your preaching comes from thin air.

slander

You treat this chapter as if it's the Bible, the only place that discusses "Law", the only scriptures that are available for our understanding of the Pharisees.

slander

You even reject Paul's own Word's describing Himself as if they don't exist.

slander

You are free to reject and ignore all the scriptures you want.

slander.

 

[Studyman]

slander.

i have never said any such things.

i have said, consistently, that when the Bible says 'the Law' it means 'the Law'
when the Holy Spirit wants to say 'merely human traditions and commandments of men' the Holy Spirit does so.

you don't get to put words in Gods mouth that He never said. that's evil.
((Ezekiel 13:1-9, Jeremiah 26:16-22, etc))

"Moses gave you the Law, yet none of you keep the Law"

Can I trust Jesus here?

But the Pharisees did follow a Law Post.

"We have a Law and by our Law He should die".

Did He die according to their Law? Yes, they killed Him. Did He stay dead? NO!!!! Why??? Because "GOD's Law didn't condemn Him, the Law of the Pharisee's condemned Him.

Matt. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments (Laws) of men.

Paul was a Pharisee, He said "As toughing the Law, a Pharisee".

What did your Savior and mine say their Law was Post. Commandments of God or Commandments of men?

My argument is valid, you won't even discuss it.

 

[posthuman]

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee"

what is the context?

is he giving a list of damnable offenses?

what kind of list does he say he's giving?

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee"

this does not say "all Pharisees are blameless"
it's Paul saying, he himself is a Pharisee.

why does he say this, in this specific context, and what does he mean by it, in this context?
he gives a list of a handful of things: how are they related, how does he mean for them to be related?
good things? evil things? totally a-moral things?
does he know what he's talking about?
does he have a good command of the language he's using?
is he an idiot?

if the Holy Spirit meant to inspire him to write, 'as touching the merely human traditions and totally extra-scriptural commandments of men, a Pharisee'
why does he instead say, "as touching the Law, a Pharisee" ?