GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

Dan_473 · Apr 11, 2018

Funny how you add something I didnt say and say we agree on it. Something that you don't explain and can mean a number of different things. what did He "change" or "mediate differently"

TO me His teaching did not and do not change:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

nor did the Law:

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

According to Hebrews, and we are talking what it actually says not common misconception about what it says, the priesthood changed and the Law was transferred, but most look at the english word "change" and make their own doctrine based off english rather than look at the Greek;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346 [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.[/FONT]

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"after His resurrection He told them to carry it to the world"

i said, Yes, we agree he changed it
or mediated it differently

"Funny how you add something I didnt say*"

you imply that something is different after His resurrection

"after His resurrection He told"

did Jesus tell them the same thing or something different?

Dan_473 · Apr 11, 2018

Don't go among the Gentiles ... go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

You will be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the earth.

so tell me honestly and gently, Shamah, same or different?

prove-all · Apr 11, 2018

Dan_473 said:

The lost sheep "was scattered abroad" at that time.

Those in Jesus time , in Jerusalem and Samaria ,
was [not] the lost 10 tribes of Israel.

Dan_473 · Apr 11, 2018

prove-all said:

well, that's certainly not how i read it...

if we take a close look

"don't enter into any city of the Samaritans"

"in all Judea and Samaria"

same or different?

prove-all · Apr 11, 2018

Dan_473 said:

[Where Did Christ’s Apostles Go?]

Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”

The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.
The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but no. Isreal had.

Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the
gospel in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go
instead to the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.

In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.

The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!

Josephus, the prominent first-century Jewish historian, was well aware of Israel’s
settlement into the land of Parthia. In his history about the days of Ezra and the
construction of the second temple, Josephus declared, “But then the entire body of
the people of Israel [the lost sheep] remained in that country [they never returned
to Samaria]; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the
Romans, while the 10 tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense
multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”

Jesus commanded Peter, James, John and the rest of His disciples to go to these “lost sheep.”
If you have a collection of maps at the back of your Bible, look at the one that illustrates
Paul’s territory. He was the apostle in charge of the Gentile region. His area basically covers
northern Palestine and every region that touches the northern border of the Mediterranean Sea,
including what is today southern Turkey, Greece and Italy. He also pastored congregations on
the islands of Malta, Crete and Cyprus. And in Romans 15:24, Paul said he intended to visit
Spain as well.

That is a huge territory! But not as large as the regions the “lost sheep” of Israel had
been scattered into. For those territories, remember, had been reserved for the or. 12.
And there was very little territorial overlap, as Paul confirmed in Romans 15:20.
Paul worked in his assigned territory—and the other apostles worked in theirs.

Now consider Peter’s assigned territory. One of his regions, judging by the opening remarks
in his first epistle, was northern Turkey. “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Peter didn’t use the
word “strangers” in the sense that they were Gentiles. It comes from a Greek word that
means resident foreigner or alien.

Peter was fulfilling his Christ-given commission. He was addressing Israelite “strangers”
who were dwelling in Gentile lands. And where? Throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia,
Asia and Bithynia. Whereas Paul was expressly forbidden to enter the northern half Turkey
(Acts 16:6-7), Peter was commanded to reach the multitude of “lost sheep” that had been
scattered in that area.

Just as there was an immense multitude of “lost sheep” to be reached beyond the Euphrates
in the land of Parthia, so there was another multitude—one that Josephus was unaware of
—that had migrated northwest of Samaria into the region of northern Turkey.

And these are the territories we can pinpoint after examining just two epistles,
one of them written by one of the original 12 disciples.

Dan_473 · Apr 11, 2018

prove-all said:

[Where Did Christ’s Apostles Go?]

Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”

The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.
The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but no. Isreal had.

Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the
gospel in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go
instead to the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.

In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.

The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!

Josephus, the prominent first-century Jewish historian, was well aware of Israel’s
settlement into the land of Parthia. In his history about the days of Ezra and the
construction of the second temple, Josephus declared, “But then the entire body of
the people of Israel [the lost sheep] remained in that country [they never returned
to Samaria]; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the
Romans, while the 10 tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense
multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”

Jesus commanded Peter, James, John and the rest of His disciples to go to these “lost sheep.”
If you have a collection of maps at the back of your Bible, look at the one that illustrates
Paul’s territory. He was the apostle in charge of the Gentile region. His area basically covers
northern Palestine and every region that touches the northern border of the Mediterranean Sea,
including what is today southern Turkey, Greece and Italy. He also pastored congregations on
the islands of Malta, Crete and Cyprus. And in Romans 15:24, Paul said he intended to visit
Spain as well.

That is a huge territory! But not as large as the regions the “lost sheep” of Israel had
been scattered into. For those territories, remember, had been reserved for the or. 12.
And there was very little territorial overlap, as Paul confirmed in Romans 15:20.
Paul worked in his assigned territory—and the other apostles worked in theirs.

Now consider Peter’s assigned territory. One of his regions, judging by the opening remarks
in his first epistle, was northern Turkey. “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Peter didn’t use the
word “strangers” in the sense that they were Gentiles. It comes from a Greek word that
means resident foreigner or alien.

Peter was fulfilling his Christ-given commission. He was addressing Israelite “strangers”
who were dwelling in Gentile lands. And where? Throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia,
Asia and Bithynia. Whereas Paul was expressly forbidden to enter the northern half Turkey
(Acts 16:6-7), Peter was commanded to reach the multitude of “lost sheep” that had been
scattered in that area.

Just as there was an immense multitude of “lost sheep” to be reached beyond the Euphrates
in the land of Parthia, so there was another multitude—one that Josephus was unaware of
—that had migrated northwest of Samaria into the region of northern Turkey.

And these are the territories we can pinpoint after examining just two epistles,
one of them written by one of the original 12 disciples.

"In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel."

Jesus tells them to avoid cities in Samaria, then after rising says to be witnesses in Samaria

Dan_473 · Apr 11, 2018

as previously mentioned

Luke 22: 35. He said to them, "When I sent you out without purse, and wallet, and shoes, did you lack anything?" They said, "Nothing." 36. Then he said to them, "But now, whoever has a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet. Whoever has none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword.

when Jesus says "But now" does that mean he is going to say the same thing again?

PS · Apr 12, 2018

Dan_473 said:

For three years Jesus had been teaching the gospel, "but now" He is soon to be crucified.

Dr. Lightfoot tells us Jesus was reminding the disciples that the "Feast of Dedication" was approaching when everyone, even the beggars must take oil and lamps to the Temple and light them. Even if they had nothing to eat, they must either beg or sell their garment. Jesus reminded them they had never lacked for anything and even if they spent all they had, they would not go hungry.

So, Jesus was reminding them of this custom at the Feast of Dedication, "BUT NOW" Christ's death was looming and Jesus quoted from Isa 53:12 that says: "he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

The sword is symbolic of the wicked, it is symbolic of those who would transgress the law by breaking the 6th commandment. In this way Jesus would be numbered among the transgressors, because as Jesus said, "I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfilment.”

Neither was Jesus happy with Peter for using his sword and he was told to put it away. It was not to be used for violence, it was purely symbolic the same as the oil and the lamps at the feast of dedication were symbolic.

beta · Apr 12, 2018

prove-all said:

[Where Did Christ’s Apostles Go?]

Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”

The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.
The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but no. Isreal had.

Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the
gospel in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go
instead to the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.

In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.

The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!

Josephus, the prominent first-century Jewish historian, was well aware of Israel’s
settlement into the land of Parthia. In his history about the days of Ezra and the
construction of the second temple, Josephus declared, “But then the entire body of
the people of Israel [the lost sheep] remained in that country [they never returned
to Samaria]; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the
Romans, while the 10 tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense
multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”

Jesus commanded Peter, James, John and the rest of His disciples to go to these “lost sheep.”
If you have a collection of maps at the back of your Bible, look at the one that illustrates
Paul’s territory. He was the apostle in charge of the Gentile region. His area basically covers
northern Palestine and every region that touches the northern border of the Mediterranean Sea,
including what is today southern Turkey, Greece and Italy. He also pastored congregations on
the islands of Malta, Crete and Cyprus. And in Romans 15:24, Paul said he intended to visit
Spain as well.

That is a huge territory! But not as large as the regions the “lost sheep” of Israel had
been scattered into. For those territories, remember, had been reserved for the or. 12.
And there was very little territorial overlap, as Paul confirmed in Romans 15:20.
Paul worked in his assigned territory—and the other apostles worked in theirs.

Now consider Peter’s assigned territory. One of his regions, judging by the opening remarks
in his first epistle, was northern Turkey. “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Peter didn’t use the
word “strangers” in the sense that they were Gentiles. It comes from a Greek word that
means resident foreigner or alien.

Peter was fulfilling his Christ-given commission. He was addressing Israelite “strangers”
who were dwelling in Gentile lands. And where? Throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia,
Asia and Bithynia. Whereas Paul was expressly forbidden to enter the northern half Turkey
(Acts 16:6-7), Peter was commanded to reach the multitude of “lost sheep” that had been
scattered in that area.

Just as there was an immense multitude of “lost sheep” to be reached beyond the Euphrates
in the land of Parthia, so there was another multitude—one that Josephus was unaware of
—that had migrated northwest of Samaria into the region of northern Turkey.

And these are the territories we can pinpoint after examining just two epistles,
one of them written by one of the original 12 disciples.

Very well explained but perhaps we can add 2 Kgs ch 17 for further concise explanation to help ''christians/gentiles understand !!! because they really have NO understanding who ISRAEL is...all they focus on are the Jews...whoare only a very small part of ISRAEL and have not remained LOST since they were allowed to return from their CAPtivity !
The LOST tribes of Israel (10) are STILL in captivity TODAY because of ''Sabbath-breaking and disobedience....please read 2Kgs 17. Because of this great sin they have lost their IDENTITY so they themselves NO LONGER KNOW WHO THEY ARE ....until they repent and turn to the Lord , the real Lord of the Sabbath, the GOD of ISRAEL !!!

PS · Apr 12, 2018

beta said:

Very well explained but perhaps we can add 2 Kgs ch 17 for further concise explanation to help ''christians/gentiles understand !!! because they really have NO understanding who ISRAEL is...all they focus on are the Jews...whoare only a very small part of ISRAEL and have not remained LOST since they were allowed to return from their CAPtivity !
The LOST tribes of Israel (10) are STILL in captivity TODAY because of ''Sabbath-breaking and disobedience....please read 2Kgs 17. Because of this great sin they have lost their IDENTITY so they themselves NO LONGER KNOW WHO THEY ARE ....until they repent and turn to the Lord , the real Lord of the Sabbath, the GOD of ISRAEL !!!

Praise God for Jesus, in His name. THE GOD of ISRAEL.

Jackson123 · Apr 12, 2018

beta said:

physical Israel in the OT era was observed Saturday sabbath, circumcise, doing animal sacrifice. We are Christian, spiritual Israelites our identity is love

[h=1]Matthew 22:37-40 King James Version (KJV)[/h]37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

beta · Apr 12, 2018

Jackson123 said:

And how do we love God ??? by keeping His Commandments !!!
1Joh 2v4, He that says 'I know Him and keeps not His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him !!!
all you are doing is proving your own SIN.

Dan_473 · Apr 12, 2018

PS said:

For three years Jesus had been teaching the gospel, "but now" He is soon to be crucified.

Dr. Lightfoot tells us Jesus was reminding the disciples that the "Feast of Dedication" was approaching when everyone, even the beggars must take oil and lamps to the Temple and light them. Even if they had nothing to eat, they must either beg or sell their garment. Jesus reminded them they had never lacked for anything and even if they spent all they had, they would not go hungry.

So, Jesus was reminding them of this custom at the Feast of Dedication, "BUT NOW" Christ's death was looming and Jesus quoted from Isa 53:12 that says: "he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

The sword is symbolic of the wicked, it is symbolic of those who would transgress the law by breaking the 6th commandment. In this way Jesus would be numbered among the transgressors, because as Jesus said, "I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfilment.”

Neither was Jesus happy with Peter for using his sword and he was told to put it away. It was not to be used for violence, it was purely symbolic the same as the oil and the lamps at the feast of dedication were symbolic.

what i wanted to say was that

Jesus gives one command at one time

then a different command later

you can't do both

so Jesus sometimes changes something he said before

Jackson123 · Apr 12, 2018

loveme1 said:

why? Can you give the reason and a verse to support it.

for example you say 10 commandment written in the stone because Saturday sabbath must practice after Jesus, than you need to give a verse or verses to support what you believe. Otherwise it is merely speculation and Ellen White opinion.

graceNpeace · Apr 12, 2018

beta said:

And all you are doing is proving yourself to be the legalist that you are are - pure poison!
Ultimately, all you can do is condemn!

And, oh by the way, your use of 1 John 2:4 is completely out of context - it has nothing to do with the TEN commandments - but, of course, your ilk will never let the truth stand in the way of your theology of condemnation....

I hope everyone can see the evil you peddle for what it is!

prove-all · Apr 12, 2018

Dan_473 said:

First one was preaching the gospel of the coming kingdom of God,
the other was after Christs ministery, and was for a witness of events.
-

13And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan;
and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him

-Here Christ overcame temptation, He quilified to replace satan as [god]
of this curent [age], but he did not take over [the kingdoms] of this earth yet.

He anounced the future coming kingdom, it was now a forsure thing.
We see in revelations [when ] this occures, the kingdoms become Christs.

14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled,
and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom
of heaven is at hand .

-The good news being sent out, about the coming kingdom of God to earth.

The Gospel that Jesus had sent the Apostles to preach was not centered on believing
on Christ's person, or receiving forgiveness of sins through His sacrifice at that time.
Christ had not even told His own disciples this yet.

"Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that he was Jesus
the Christ." It was only [after Peter's recognition] of Jesus as the Christ that Jesus
began to teach His disciples about His coming crucifixion and resurrection. Peter did
not receive this teaching very well at this point. A proclamation of Jesus, as Christ
crucified, was not a part of the Gospel that Christ had previously sent Peter out preaching.
-

But when they believed Philip as he preached [1] the things concerning the kingdom
of God and [2] the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized" (Acts 8:12).

But here now the people believed Philip’s message of the Good News
concerning the Kingdom of God [and the name] of Jesus Christ.

-The message of Jesus suffering, of his crucifixion and resurrection,
was added to the gospel of the kingdom of God.

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep
the commandments of God [and the faith of Jesus].

-As [a witness-es] of his resurrection, and mircles that happened in the area.

21Wherefore of these men which have companied with us
all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up
from us, [must one be ordained to be [a witness] with us of his resurrection].
-

2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost
had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

4And, being assembled together with them, [commanded them] that they
should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father,
which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

-they where commanded to wait for, and keep the day of Pentecost.
Why do we not also keep this day?

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with
the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

-The old testement spoke of this day, the giving of the Holy Spirit.

1And when [the day of Pentecost] was fully come,
they were all with one accord in one place.

-Another one of Gods Holy convocations, the deciples where commanded to keep,
and gential converts also kept, if not they would not be part of, the start of the new
testement church that was founded that day. [ Pentecost] First fruits [50th].

This is one of the Holydays "things to come"fortold and mentioned in COL 2:16,
along with the next one "the feast of trumphs" that pictures Christs return in power.

the bread and wine for Passover, and the feast of Un. bread, Apostles keeped falls under
Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY
-

His disciples "thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately" So
"He spoke another parable" He explained to them about how [He] had to go
to heaven to be crowned, and then He would return at a later date. (Luke 19:11..
-

6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons,
which the Father hath put in his own power.

-Here Christ did not say it would not be restored, the Apostles did not know when.

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,
“The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of
His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” -see also [Daniel 7:27]

-clearly the kingdom [Christs reign on earth] has not been established yet.
We pray "Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven".

Jackson123 · Apr 12, 2018

beta said:

For us that living in the New Covenant era, to keep His commandment is not observe Saturday sabbath, we observe sabbath simply by coming to Jesus.

[h=1]Matthew 11:28-30 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your soul.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

sabbath, or rest to your soul, it is real sabbath, not shadow sabbath

this is the different between ot and New Covenant

old. New

animal sacrifice Jesus sacrificed

than we not doing animal sacrifice anymore

old New

rest on Saturday Rest, by coming to Jesus, not only on Saturday

Saturday sabbath is only shadow of rest unto soul this is the real rest offer by Jesus.

It may beyond human logic, God said take my yoke, he shall find rest. How is a man take yoke and find rest, take yoke must be not rest. But it is what God said

PS · Apr 13, 2018

Dan_473 said:

I'm not sure about that. Do you have any examples?

I know Jesus said something like, "You have heard it said, but I say unto you...."

But I have never known Jesus to change his mind.

beta · Apr 13, 2018

graceNpeace said:

1Joh 2v4 is in the NT condemned as 'evil by you ...I for my part 'uphold it !

graceNpeace · Apr 13, 2018

beta said:

Nothing wrong with 1 John 2:4 - only your misinterpretation of it....

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