GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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that's funny, considering I caught you in your own words, posthuman excellently cross referenced the 613 with Scripture, showing that the historically majority says the Pharisees and elders over the years ( tradition of the elders ) added them to be sure the Mosaic Law was kept.
look, I agree with you about the talmid, sunday being the day of the sun, occult rituals, etc.. but, here is the thing-when you get too far down the rabbit hole, you think everything is corrupted, everything is satanic lie, etc.. sometimes, a shoe box is just a shoe box. there are ritual circles, but not every company with a circle in the logo is into rituals. see what I am saying?
look, I agree with you about the talmid, sunday being the day of the sun, occult rituals, etc.. but, here is the thing-when you get too far down the rabbit hole, you think everything is corrupted, everything is satanic lie, etc.. sometimes, a shoe box is just a shoe box. there are ritual circles, but not every company with a circle in the logo is into rituals. see what I am saying?
Jesus didn't change His own instructions regarding murder and adultery. He was correcting the Mainstream Preachers of His time. This is another deception that is further by religious traditions of the day.
Matt. 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus is rebuking the Mainstream Preachers of His time. What was Jesus problem with them?
Matt. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Peter also encounters this problem in Acts 15. He also rebukes them for the burdens they attempted to place on their necks.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
So Jesus just told us all: Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Then rebukes the preachers again, for their doctrines, Yes. Then He continues to straighten out their preaching.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
There are some, Who come in Christ's Name, who actually preach that this is speaking about Moses, or God (Jesus) who instructed Moses.
But as you can see, Jesus is speaking about the preaching the Pharisees had promoted which had been taught for centuries. When Jesus sent them Prophets to straighten them out, they killed them.
The "Them of old time" are the Levite Scribes, Pharisees who had corrupted God's Word. Jesus exposed what He, as God of the OT, really taught.
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
You are furthering the preaching that Jesus just amended God's Commandment here, in Matt. 5. But Jesus taught this truth from the beginning and those who aren't interested in "Creating their own religion" as did the Pharisees, can easily find this truth.
Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Jesus wasn't changing God's Law here in Matt. 5, as your post implies. He was exposing the Mainstream Preachers and their doctrines which came from man and setting the record straight on what the Word really teaches. You can go down the list and find where Jesus already detailed this truth through Moses. It's just that the Preachers in charge of administering God's Instructions, corrupted it instead. This is why Jesus created a "New Covenant".
Heb. 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (not Levi)
So will you re-consider your preaching that Jesus changed the murder and adultery law here?
Matt. 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus is rebuking the Mainstream Preachers of His time. What was Jesus problem with them?
Matt. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Peter also encounters this problem in Acts 15. He also rebukes them for the burdens they attempted to place on their necks.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
So Jesus just told us all: Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Then rebukes the preachers again, for their doctrines, Yes. Then He continues to straighten out their preaching.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
There are some, Who come in Christ's Name, who actually preach that this is speaking about Moses, or God (Jesus) who instructed Moses.
But as you can see, Jesus is speaking about the preaching the Pharisees had promoted which had been taught for centuries. When Jesus sent them Prophets to straighten them out, they killed them.
The "Them of old time" are the Levite Scribes, Pharisees who had corrupted God's Word. Jesus exposed what He, as God of the OT, really taught.
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
You are furthering the preaching that Jesus just amended God's Commandment here, in Matt. 5. But Jesus taught this truth from the beginning and those who aren't interested in "Creating their own religion" as did the Pharisees, can easily find this truth.
Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Jesus wasn't changing God's Law here in Matt. 5, as your post implies. He was exposing the Mainstream Preachers and their doctrines which came from man and setting the record straight on what the Word really teaches. You can go down the list and find where Jesus already detailed this truth through Moses. It's just that the Preachers in charge of administering God's Instructions, corrupted it instead. This is why Jesus created a "New Covenant".
Heb. 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (not Levi)
So will you re-consider your preaching that Jesus changed the murder and adultery law here?
I do see what you are saying. But the whole point of preaching the falsehood, and let's face it, you and I nor Caleb, were never under 613 commands from God, is to further the doctrine that God's Laws are so burdensome, so many in number, that it is impossible to honor them.
The whole purpose of posting this list is a deception. I get your point on conspiracy theories. But what is a man to do when something as deceiving and misleading as the claim that the God of the OT is so mean, so unjust that He commanded men to keep 613 laws and if they didn't keep them all without fail, He had them killed. Then His Son came along and saved us from this mean God and all His burdensome commandments.
That is the implication of the preaching of so "many" who come in His Name, on this forum, whether they know it or not.
I know you mean well, and I do get fired up sometimes, it is a struggle I deal with.
But what is a servant to do?
Just like your comment " The Pharisees were working to insure the "mosaic Law" WAS NOT KEPT. They rejected God's Words, Killed His Prophets who taught the truth, and when God sent them His own Son, they killed Him as well. Not so the "Mosaic Law" could be kept, but to insure that their doctrine was preached, in place of it.
You were being nice in that sentence, no harm meant. But in coming to your conclusion you would have to ignore volumes of prophesies about these preachers who were NOT Teaching the "Mosaic Law", but visions of their own mind. Prophesy after prophesy of priests who teach falsehoods from their own mind and mouth and not the mouth of God, not to ensure the LAW was kept, but to ensure it was not.
You mean no harm, you aren't trying to deceive people, you just believe what someone told you. Yet, you are deceiving people with this teaching.
But should I say something and risk hurting your feelings, or insulting you or should I keep silent and let you carry the deception that the Pharisees were trying to ensure the Commandments of God were being kept?
What did Jesus say?
I would want you to point out what you believed was a deception I furthered, make your case using scriptures, and risk hurting my feelings.
I can choose to accept the rebuke or reject it, study into it and prove if it is truth or not. But to see me in a pit, and not do anything to help, I wouldn't want someone to do that to me, therefore I wouldn't do that to someone else.
I think you are right about getting carried away though. I need to work on that a bit.
Thanks gb9.
The whole purpose of posting this list is a deception. I get your point on conspiracy theories. But what is a man to do when something as deceiving and misleading as the claim that the God of the OT is so mean, so unjust that He commanded men to keep 613 laws and if they didn't keep them all without fail, He had them killed. Then His Son came along and saved us from this mean God and all His burdensome commandments.
That is the implication of the preaching of so "many" who come in His Name, on this forum, whether they know it or not.
I know you mean well, and I do get fired up sometimes, it is a struggle I deal with.
But what is a servant to do?
Just like your comment " The Pharisees were working to insure the "mosaic Law" WAS NOT KEPT. They rejected God's Words, Killed His Prophets who taught the truth, and when God sent them His own Son, they killed Him as well. Not so the "Mosaic Law" could be kept, but to insure that their doctrine was preached, in place of it.
You were being nice in that sentence, no harm meant. But in coming to your conclusion you would have to ignore volumes of prophesies about these preachers who were NOT Teaching the "Mosaic Law", but visions of their own mind. Prophesy after prophesy of priests who teach falsehoods from their own mind and mouth and not the mouth of God, not to ensure the LAW was kept, but to ensure it was not.
You mean no harm, you aren't trying to deceive people, you just believe what someone told you. Yet, you are deceiving people with this teaching.
But should I say something and risk hurting your feelings, or insulting you or should I keep silent and let you carry the deception that the Pharisees were trying to ensure the Commandments of God were being kept?
What did Jesus say?
I would want you to point out what you believed was a deception I furthered, make your case using scriptures, and risk hurting my feelings.
I can choose to accept the rebuke or reject it, study into it and prove if it is truth or not. But to see me in a pit, and not do anything to help, I wouldn't want someone to do that to me, therefore I wouldn't do that to someone else.
I think you are right about getting carried away though. I need to work on that a bit.
Thanks gb9.
This is exactly what I mean about ignoring peoples posts. You make a religious claim "
You do this to justify your religious traditions of rejecting God's Sabbath.
Someone posts a case that your claim is not based or founded on Biblical Truth, in this case me. Then instead of having a discussion about your preaching in question, you just "one line" yourself on to something else.
If you lie to someone, and they call you a liar, are they calling you names, or telling the truth?
Someone posts a case that your claim is not based or founded on Biblical Truth, in this case me. Then instead of having a discussion about your preaching in question, you just "one line" yourself on to something else.
If you lie to someone, and they call you a liar, are they calling you names, or telling the truth?
At any rate, Jesus wasn't correcting Moses in Matt. 5, as "Many" who come in Christ's Name preach.
while it is true:
1 Cor. 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Not all who came out of Egypt rebelled against God and His Word.
Num. 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
Jesus inspired Paul to tell us;
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
In other words we should be on the narrow path with Caleb, not the broad path with those who "Transgress the commandments of God by their own religious traditions."
while it is true:
1 Cor. 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Not all who came out of Egypt rebelled against God and His Word.
Num. 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
Jesus inspired Paul to tell us;
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
In other words we should be on the narrow path with Caleb, not the broad path with those who "Transgress the commandments of God by their own religious traditions."
I see. So given your preaching on this, who gave Moses the instruction? God, Yes. And who is this God? Jesus before becoming a man, Yes?
So you are preaching Jesus is at fault and to blame for all the false preaching of not only the Pharisees and Levite scribes, but He must also be responsible for your false preaching as well?
So the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were right in your mind. Jesus was the devil!!
Is that the real reason why the Catholic Church created their own Jesus?
So you are preaching Jesus is at fault and to blame for all the false preaching of not only the Pharisees and Levite scribes, but He must also be responsible for your false preaching as well?
So the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were right in your mind. Jesus was the devil!!
Is that the real reason why the Catholic Church created their own Jesus?
um, no, that is what you just "preached" and i was asking you about:
we were asking you about the woman caught in adultery, where the Pharisees, coming to Christ thinking to trick Him, had in mind to stone her -- as the Law actually does require.
PS reacts to this by rejecting the Pentateuch altogether as forgery; he says it's not scripture.
Studyman, refusing to admit that the Pharisees were seeking ((partly anyway - where's the adulterous man?)) to carry out exactly what the Law says, started saying referring to post-crucifixion/resurrection writings that the woman was already 'spiritually dead' so the Law is satisfied.
i mean to inquire whether you are actively rejecting the Law, denying what it says altogether ((similar to PS)) because it in fact commands corporeal, physical death be carried out at the hands of the congregation by stoning. remember, we're in Israel, in John 8 -- under the Law. will your dodginess lead you all the way to that conclusion?
so your response is to accuse me of "preaching" exactly the thing you were preaching.
we were asking you about the woman caught in adultery, where the Pharisees, coming to Christ thinking to trick Him, had in mind to stone her -- as the Law actually does require.
PS reacts to this by rejecting the Pentateuch altogether as forgery; he says it's not scripture.
Studyman, refusing to admit that the Pharisees were seeking ((partly anyway - where's the adulterous man?)) to carry out exactly what the Law says, started saying referring to post-crucifixion/resurrection writings that the woman was already 'spiritually dead' so the Law is satisfied.
i mean to inquire whether you are actively rejecting the Law, denying what it says altogether ((similar to PS)) because it in fact commands corporeal, physical death be carried out at the hands of the congregation by stoning. remember, we're in Israel, in John 8 -- under the Law. will your dodginess lead you all the way to that conclusion?
so your response is to accuse me of "preaching" exactly the thing you were preaching.
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments which Moses disobeyed big time apart from the 4th commandment, which typically for Moses harmed nobody if he disobeyed it, so it was pointless him disobeying it.
It wasn't the God of the Commandments who told Moses to "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Num 31:18)
So who commanded Moses to do these terrible things? Jesus had the answer in John 8:44.
What I am interested in knowing is why are you so proud to be a Jew. I would be so ashamed, I could never admit to it.
It wasn't the God of the Commandments who told Moses to "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Num 31:18)
So who commanded Moses to do these terrible things? Jesus had the answer in John 8:44.
What I am interested in knowing is why are you so proud to be a Jew. I would be so ashamed, I could never admit to it.
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But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house.
(Numbers 12:7)
(Numbers 12:7)
. . . except, you don't actually believe the Bible. you think you can edit it when it doesn't fit your understanding ((or perhaps better said, when your understanding doesn't fit it)) - right? obviously you will say Numbers 12 is not scripture?