GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Roadkill

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Where does it say in God's Word that no one knew about God's laws before Moses? I think there is more evidence in God's Word showing that he followed ALL of God's laws if you know where to find the scriptures. According to many the Sabbath was not given until Sinai but scripture says differently as well.
According to scripture Abraham was originally a pagan worshiping pagan. LOl

You are missing the point of Grace giving us freedom in Jesus aren't you?
 

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Correct, my mistake. Only that God rested after Creation. My point was it didn't mention what day of the week it was on. LOL
More like what millennia, each day took millions of years. :eek:
 

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Here, let me show you. This is both Biblically and scientifically correct.


Creation of the Earth
Day 1 of Creation

"In the beginning about 4.6 billion years ago God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."


DAY 2 (Ediacaran Era, began about 600 million years ago.)

The Bible says: "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."


DAY 3 (Prechmbrian Era, began about 542 million years ago.

The Bible says: "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day."


DAY 4 (Paleozoic Era From the Greek meaning "Old Animals." It includes the Cambrian, Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Mississippian, Pennsylvanian, and Permian periods and is characterized by the appearance of marine invertebrates, primitive fishes, land plants, and reptiles that ended about 251 million years ago. Most species became extinct but the tree and plant life remained.)

The Paleozoic is bracketed by two of the most important events in the history of animal life. At its beginning, multi-celled animals underwent a dramatic explosion in diversity, and almost all living animal phyla appeared within a few millions of years.

At the other end of the Paleozoic Era, the largest mass extinction in history wiped out approximately 90% of all marine animal species. The causes of both these events are still not fully understood and the subject of much research and controversy, some say it was due to a meteorite hitting the earth and blotting out the sun which accounts for the reappearance of the sun and moon on day four.

The Bible says about day 4: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."


DAY 5 (Mesozoic Era, ended about 65 million years ago. Popular name: Age of Reptiles that evolved from the reptiles of the Paleozoic Era becoming increasingly adapted to life on dry land.)

The Bible says: "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."


DAY 6 Cenozoic Era. This era began about 65 million years ago and includes the geological present including humankind. Popular name: Age of Mammals.

The Bible says: "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."


 

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Yes He did.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. Therefore:Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(Joh 1:1,3; Ex. 20:9-11)
I usually keep my peace, but we really need closure on this topic.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made...(John 1:1-3)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ... (Joh 1:14-17)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage... (Gal 5:1) .... but walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.(Gal 5:16-18)

 

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Here it is in song.

[video]https://youtu.be/ZTbjE0p-s54[/video]
 

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According to scripture Abraham was originally a pagan worshiping pagan. LOl

You are missing the point of Grace giving us freedom in Jesus aren't you?
According to scripture Abraham was originally a pagan What scripture are you referring to? I know that Abraham came from ur of the Chaldees, a pagan place; but, I never noticed anything that claimed that he was pagan.
 

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According to scripture Abraham was originally a pagan What scripture are you referring to? I know that Abraham came from ur of the Chaldees, a pagan place; but, I never noticed anything that claimed that he was pagan.
Abraham's father sold Idols. One day while watching these Idols in the market for his father Abraham put them to the test. He knocked them over and said if they were gods they could stand themselves up. They could not and that is when he started seeking the True and Living God. We were all pagans until we accepted Jesus. Lol
 

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New Earthers and Old Earthers have been debating this for a looooong time. LOL
That is because the New Earthers calculate creation by counting the years back to Adam who was living about 5000 years ago, but Genesis chapter 4 tells us Adam and Eve had a son called Cain (and others, sisters as well).

Cain was scared. He thought he would be killed because of what he did to his brother. This speaks of an established legal system that included the death penalty for murder. Verse 15 says "lest any finding him should kill him." It takes time for a legal system to develop.

There were other people. Verse 17 tells us Cain had a wife who was not from his homeland so she wasn't his mother or sister, which is a common misconception. We are also told he settled in the land of Nod where they were building walled cities. Walled cities were used for defence against other people and other nations and the building of walled cities can be dated fairly precisely and are not that ancient.

Verse 20 tells us Jabal was the father of tent dwellers. Tents came long after cave dwellers. Early men were hunter gatherers and farming came later. Cain was a farmer and Able was a shepherd. This is a late development in the history of humankind.

Verse 20 tells us they were making musical instruments like the harp and organ, but early man did not have musical instruments.

And verse 22 tells us they were working in brass and iron.

This is the bronze age, not too far removed from our own. Flint tools were much earlier. There were Cavemen and several ice-ages through which men were living. In reality thousands of years elapsed between the Adam family and the first men.
 

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Salvation is a GIFT of God's Sacrifice to save MANKIND FROM SIN not IN SIN through FAITH in God's WORD in those who BELIEVE. If you are still in your SINS you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another and FOLLOW him who bids you COME walk on water...

If you continue to practice KNOWN SIN then you have rejected the GIFTof God's dear son (Hebrews 10:26:26; Romans 6:23) and need to seek him again in REPENTANCE and FAITH in his promise of FORGIVENESS (1 John 1:9).

1 John 2
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My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
if someone continues to practice KNOWN SIN, do they stop being a brother or sister of Christ?
 

Roadkill

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if someone continues to practice KNOWN SIN, do they stop being a brother or sister of Christ?
No. There are many people with sever drug addictions that love Jesus. Jesus died for all sins except one. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. We take that as rejecting Jesus as God's Christ.

There are preachers that are going to hell because they put on a dog and pony show and there are addicts going to heaven because their belief on Jesus is Genuine and sincere.

They just can't seem to break the addiction and God normally does not save us from the consequences of our decisions.
But always have hope because sometimes he does.
 

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Correct, my mistake. Only that God rested after Creation. My point was it didn't mention what day of the week it was on. LOL
7. Sabbath (Saturday)
Week 2.
1. Sunday
2. Monday
3. Tuesday
4. Wendsday
5. Thursday
6. Friday
7. Sabbath (Saturday).
Week 3.
1. Sunday.
2. Monday.
3. New day inserted. This is Tuesday.
4. The day that was Tuesday has moved forward and is now called Wednesday.
5. The day that was Wednesday is now called Thursday.
6. The day that was Thursday is now called Friday.
7. The old Friday of week 2 is now the Saturday of week 3 due to the inserted day. So now the Sabbath falls on what last week was a Friday. What a fiasco.


Because days were inserted into the months to keep the calendar synchronized with the seasons, the Friday of the previous week became Sabbath in the second week. See week 3. This error is compounded throughout the year, and because every 7th day is the Sabbath, by the end of the year, due to the insertion of days, the Sabbath will have rotated through all the days of the week, depending on how many days were inserted and when.
 
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I wish they would do as the Canaanite woman did and seek Jesus.
If you are still in your SINS God's Word says you have not seen him or KNOW him....

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?


1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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the Gospel- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.

greek word for believe- pisteuo- definitions- to have faith in, to entrust, commit, put trust in.

something seems to be missing from these things, hmm , what could it be? what could it be that you always push that is not in the Gospel?
Not sure what your talking about the Gospel is Jesus and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. We are indeed to have faith in entrust and believe EVERY WORD OF God's WORD not just pick and choose what suits us on the day. UNBELIEVERS have no part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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The Sabbath was first observed by all Israel in Exodus 16. In general it was not observed by all Israel until then as the context clearly demonstrates. There is no expectancy that man as whole will keep it. It was given to ISRAEL only.
Well that is not true. God would not have made it the 4th Commandment of the 10 if there was no expetency for his people to keep it?

WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.........

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel..........

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again.........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures............

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it. This is the NEW Covenant of God's LAW written on the HEART by FAITH in His WORD and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15) which includes the 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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Besides the Creation Act of God show me where before Moses man was commanded to keep the Sabbath on Saturday?
No problem........

Genesis 26
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Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Mark 2
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And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Now please show me the scripture that says the God's Sabbath or any of his Commandments were NOT kept before Moses?

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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More like what millennia, each day took millions of years. :eek:
Goodness, so you trust in the wisdom of men more then the WORD of GOD? The WISDOM of this world is foolishness with God because the fool says in his heart there is no God.

1 Cor 1
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For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20, Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21, For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22, For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
24, But to them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If your line of reasoning was true then you make God out to be a liar and God's people never knew what day the Sabbath was. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.