GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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That was one point I was trying to get across. Yet some people try to connect the Jewish calender with the creative act which is the nonsense I meant.
The other error is for people to make out the Hebrew calendar started at the time of the creative act, which the Jewish calender places at 3761 BC.
The third error is for people to preach that God "who neither slumbers or sleeps" rested on the seventh day of a man-made error ridden calender.
Sorry to be brutally honest, but there is no point in being otherwise.
The other error is for people to make out the Hebrew calendar started at the time of the creative act, which the Jewish calender places at 3761 BC.
The third error is for people to preach that God "who neither slumbers or sleeps" rested on the seventh day of a man-made error ridden calender.
Sorry to be brutally honest, but there is no point in being otherwise.
MarcR,
re: "Using the Gregorian Calendar days do in fact change at midnight. Using the Jewish Calendar, by which the beginning and end of Passover was and is reckoned, days change at sundown."
But whether the 1st day of the week starts at midnight or at sundown, it is still the 1st day of the week at 1am.
re: "Using the Gregorian Calendar days do in fact change at midnight. Using the Jewish Calendar, by which the beginning and end of Passover was and is reckoned, days change at sundown."
But whether the 1st day of the week starts at midnight or at sundown, it is still the 1st day of the week at 1am.
I said: Just as you do, the Pharisees believed they were keeping the Law.
I NEVER likened you to them in any other way.
I am sure that you will agree that you claim to keep the Law.
If you are honest about it, you will agree that they claimed to keep the Law (whether or not they did in fact).
That was all I said or intended. No reason to get your back up; I'm NOT trying to pick a fight.
I NEVER likened you to them in any other way.
I am sure that you will agree that you claim to keep the Law.
If you are honest about it, you will agree that they claimed to keep the Law (whether or not they did in fact).
That was all I said or intended. No reason to get your back up; I'm NOT trying to pick a fight.
K
If you would study even 1 miracle of Messiah, you would see the difference in what the religious leaders taught and the commandments of Almighty. The water into wine, for instance. What were those "purification vessels" for? How was making wine in them such a slap in the face of the Pharisees? If you know, please answer.
There is a big difference in what the religious leaders taught and the commandments. Many here do not seem to know the difference. You of all people should.
There is a big difference in what the religious leaders taught and the commandments. Many here do not seem to know the difference. You of all people should.
The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
(Matthew 23:2-3)
from what Jesus Himself says, it seems like the scribes and Pharisees were actually preaching and teaching the right things.
i understand that 'mainstream teaching & human tradition' is that they weren't, but human teaching often seems to contradict what Jesus Himself says.
Your arrogance doesn't deserve the courtesy of a reply.
The vessels were for ceremonial washing of hands. The Pharisees would be offended because the off-scourings would be in the wine.
If you actually read my post, you will see that I never defended the Pharisees. I only noted that they CLAIMED to observe the Law.
Come back and argue when you have something to say.
The vessels were for ceremonial washing of hands. The Pharisees would be offended because the off-scourings would be in the wine.
If you actually read my post, you will see that I never defended the Pharisees. I only noted that they CLAIMED to observe the Law.
Come back and argue when you have something to say.
it is not mainstream and human tradtion that says they were not teaching truth/YHWH;s Law, it is the Messiah:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."
also about the "seat of Moses" thing:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5-7, “Now the goal of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief, which some, having missed the goal, turned aside to senseless talk, wishing to be teachers of Torah, understanding neither what they say nor concerning what they strongly affirm.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, “By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:4, “For they (the pharisees not YHWH) bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How do they “bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them?”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."
also about the "seat of Moses" thing:
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5-7, “Now the goal of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief, which some, having missed the goal, turned aside to senseless talk, wishing to be teachers of Torah, understanding neither what they say nor concerning what they strongly affirm.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, “By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:4, “For they (the pharisees not YHWH) bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How do they “bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them?”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]
