God's Promises!
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So, if I understand you correctly. Everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian, regardless of they how live or what they believe about the Lord.
So we can assume that Judas, Hitler and others who made professions of faith are all genuine Christian's as well right.
Sorry but I have no other choice, but to reject your private view as it doesn't match what the Bible teaches about Christians
So we can assume that Judas, Hitler and others who made professions of faith are all genuine Christian's as well right.
Sorry but I have no other choice, but to reject your private view as it doesn't match what the Bible teaches about Christians
You have every right to hold to your private views, I'm not here to force the gospel on you. My understanding of the gospel, is that it's by God's calling only, that one can believe it.
God never promised to open everyone's spiritual eyes, so they can believe the gospel. He did say that nobody is seeking the truth. He did say that the gospel message is foolishness to those who are perishing.
Jesus was hated by the world because He is the truth and mankind hates the truth. Only those who God regenerates, converts and sanctifies, love the truth. It all makes sense, because Jesus said "I am the truth" so we know the truth is a person and not some philosophy.
The only reason we see the vast majority of the world hating Jesus, is because they hate the truth as it exposes their evil wickedness.
God never promised to open everyone's spiritual eyes, so they can believe the gospel. He did say that nobody is seeking the truth. He did say that the gospel message is foolishness to those who are perishing.
Jesus was hated by the world because He is the truth and mankind hates the truth. Only those who God regenerates, converts and sanctifies, love the truth. It all makes sense, because Jesus said "I am the truth" so we know the truth is a person and not some philosophy.
The only reason we see the vast majority of the world hating Jesus, is because they hate the truth as it exposes their evil wickedness.
Ha ha, none of my posts suggest that. As usual and right on que, you misunderstand.
I'm saying exactly the opposite. Most who claim to be Christians are not due to all the false doctrine being taught.
Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
(Includes those claiming they are anointed by God so speak His Word)
You got that right!
I'm thinking maybe someone got hit in the head really hard a few times when he was a baby.
Maybe he grew up next to a power plant, or there were lots of lead in their water pipes.
One thing is for sure, there's something wrong with the gene pool over there!
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I'm not want to bad friends with you,
So this, I'm only saying this so you can be comfortable, and then you can enjoy your stay a cc with me 😊
Firstly only people who are free are the people who the lord sets free.
Whom the lord sets free is free indeed.
But still your only free because the lord is with you.
All life is his life, so when the lord has set you free, your still not free. Because now the lord is keeping you.
He is the keeper of souls.
So this, I'm only saying this so you can be comfortable, and then you can enjoy your stay a cc with me 😊
Firstly only people who are free are the people who the lord sets free.
Whom the lord sets free is free indeed.
But still your only free because the lord is with you.
All life is his life, so when the lord has set you free, your still not free. Because now the lord is keeping you.
He is the keeper of souls.
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Absolutely true my friend. God did say, "you can only serve one master" so nobody is free to do what they want. We either serve God or we serve Satan.
No man can resist the power of Satan, He overpowers all men and enslaves them, unless God saves us and His Holy Spirit indwells us, then Satan must run away because He cannot be in the same person as The Holy Spirit.
No man can resist the power of Satan, He overpowers all men and enslaves them, unless God saves us and His Holy Spirit indwells us, then Satan must run away because He cannot be in the same person as The Holy Spirit.
Correct but not only that the word says satan has the whole world under his control.
So those not under the control of the lord are under the control of satan.
So now there is only one place to be free, which is where the lords will lives in your heart.
So you go there and you stay there.
Because satan is still trying to control your mind.
See there is difference, because we are are all in bondage to sin.
The bondage of Sin is only removed once the sin is forgiven.
Even for saved people can still be in bondage to sin until they repent
So those not under the control of the lord are under the control of satan.
So now there is only one place to be free, which is where the lords will lives in your heart.
So you go there and you stay there.
Because satan is still trying to control your mind.
See there is difference, because we are are all in bondage to sin.
The bondage of Sin is only removed once the sin is forgiven.
Even for saved people can still be in bondage to sin until they repent
Promises.. oh yes amen. Found them in Deut and had them all read when we got married 1982. He has kept every one of them.
I can see how we might think our tent so to speak is better then others yet He alone is up front. Yes yes its always the other one not me.
Now I know who He was talking to yet He means it to each one of His own “Because you are precious in My sight, You are honored and I love you.......". Those that differ from me I have to remember they are just as precious to Him as I am.
I can see how we might think our tent so to speak is better then others yet He alone is up front. Yes yes its always the other one not me.
Now I know who He was talking to yet He means it to each one of His own “Because you are precious in My sight, You are honored and I love you.......". Those that differ from me I have to remember they are just as precious to Him as I am.
I respectfully disagree with all of that.
The first error in your summary, is your view that those in Christ are in Satan at the same time. That's impossible because the Holy Spirit and Satan cannot coinhabit the same person. So the word "world" when used in the Bible describes those outside of Christ. We are in the world but we are not of the world. Please look into that and let me know.
Christians are not in bondage to Satan, because Christ set us free. To me Satan is nothing more than a barking dog on a chain. My Lord owns Him and He obeys every command the Lord gives Him because He is enslaved and controlled by the Lord. So please look into that, and do a study if you have to to understand that bible doctrine.
Saved people are free, sin no longer has dominion over their lives. The purpose of salvation, is to set us free from bondage to Satan. Please do a study to understand that bible doctrine as well
The first error in your summary, is your view that those in Christ are in Satan at the same time. That's impossible because the Holy Spirit and Satan cannot coinhabit the same person. So the word "world" when used in the Bible describes those outside of Christ. We are in the world but we are not of the world. Please look into that and let me know.
Christians are not in bondage to Satan, because Christ set us free. To me Satan is nothing more than a barking dog on a chain. My Lord owns Him and He obeys every command the Lord gives Him because He is enslaved and controlled by the Lord. So please look into that, and do a study if you have to to understand that bible doctrine.
Saved people are free, sin no longer has dominion over their lives. The purpose of salvation, is to set us free from bondage to Satan. Please do a study to understand that bible doctrine as well
well Charley no.
I am warming to your manners in the way you just approached your disagreement with me just now, Your better than most for taking this approach here 😊 I can see your thinking about courtesy here.
Perhaps I was wrong about you i do appreciate this kind of presentation 😊
I was refering to the lord removing the light from people when they don't repent
Would they be in bondage to sin at that point
I am warming to your manners in the way you just approached your disagreement with me just now, Your better than most for taking this approach here 😊 I can see your thinking about courtesy here.
Perhaps I was wrong about you i do appreciate this kind of presentation 😊
I was refering to the lord removing the light from people when they don't repent
Would they be in bondage to sin at that point
I do confess that I still still struggle with anger management issues, which I haven't fully overcome since being converted.
The Lord does remove the light from His children, when they need to go through a wilderness experience. We don't lose our salvation, but we do pierce ourselves with many unnecessary sorrows during our escapades.
The Lord does grant His children the gift of repentance and draws us back into household and receives us back as a lost and found child.
The big point of contention in the Churches is regarding, who is responsible for bringing back those who backslide into the world.
Is it the Churches' work of chasing down the backslider and finding him drugged up in a brothel, then convincing him to repent and come back to the Church.
Or does the individual somehow reprogram himself to hate the sin he loves and love the God he hates.
Or is it God who does a work in his heart and makes him see how ugly his sin is and cause him to repent. The Bible does have a lot to say about this, and it is clear that God alone is responsible for all saved people.
There is also the sad reality that some never come to repent, so they die in their sin. The Bibles says, "they went out from us, because they were never of us" Jesus said some who made a profession of faith were never His children to begin with.
They are the fake Christians, which are exposed because they did not endure the trials and tribulations. They went back to being who they always were.
The Lord does remove the light from His children, when they need to go through a wilderness experience. We don't lose our salvation, but we do pierce ourselves with many unnecessary sorrows during our escapades.
The Lord does grant His children the gift of repentance and draws us back into household and receives us back as a lost and found child.
The big point of contention in the Churches is regarding, who is responsible for bringing back those who backslide into the world.
Is it the Churches' work of chasing down the backslider and finding him drugged up in a brothel, then convincing him to repent and come back to the Church.
Or does the individual somehow reprogram himself to hate the sin he loves and love the God he hates.
Or is it God who does a work in his heart and makes him see how ugly his sin is and cause him to repent. The Bible does have a lot to say about this, and it is clear that God alone is responsible for all saved people.
There is also the sad reality that some never come to repent, so they die in their sin. The Bibles says, "they went out from us, because they were never of us" Jesus said some who made a profession of faith were never His children to begin with.
They are the fake Christians, which are exposed because they did not endure the trials and tribulations. They went back to being who they always were.
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I wasn't taking about you not repenting lol,
It's only natural for you to stand up for what you believe in.
The common mistake we all make is we forget to seek the lord,
It's one thing to believe you have a friend and it's another to know you have one. 😊
But knowing you truly have a friend with God is all about accepting his authority and fully surrendering to his will, the only way we get to know him is to seek him and believe he's always here with us in spirit, just like you would if you was with a close friend,
all you have to do is truly believe he Is there in your heart in spirit and all around you, and hes willing to accept any issues you have with any emotional human nature you have.
Like flipping your tables over when your faced with thiefs who are challenging your beliefs.
We just have to believe Jesus will flip them tables over for us, and keep showing kindness as you are doing 😊
And let Jesus flip them over, for you.
So I was saying before in another thread Children are born to a promise, in scripture it tells us this and where also told children are born with angels who protect them and stare back in the face of God.
Well God did this for you to no doubt.
So whilst children are born into sin there not born slaves to satan.
So sin and satan sound the same thing but with satan there is no truth in him, where as when you where born you still had truth in you.
So here's the reasoning, that when we don't repent we break the promise we where born into, we then become further into bondage and whatever punishment God deems necessary,
When we repent he's Good enough to save us from that bondage and forgive us.
Satan has no hold on us then..
But should we sin whilst saved and not repent we become in bondage to sin first not satan,
If we don't repent, where then in danger of punishment.
I believe the only time we become slaves to satan when saved is if it's willful sinning serious sinning and habitat sinning.
And the lord has removed his light from us ashe did the same thing to Saul.
And Saul was persecuted to the point he became a reprobate.
But that's not saying you can't break those chains or God can't free you again 😊
As I also i believe person gets saved first before recieving salvation
I believe the salvation part is when the restoration of the finished works of Christ is completed in you.
So it could be your punished whilst in the being saved part, before recieving completeness.
Well not you personally but in general for everyone.
It's only natural for you to stand up for what you believe in.
The common mistake we all make is we forget to seek the lord,
It's one thing to believe you have a friend and it's another to know you have one. 😊
But knowing you truly have a friend with God is all about accepting his authority and fully surrendering to his will, the only way we get to know him is to seek him and believe he's always here with us in spirit, just like you would if you was with a close friend,
all you have to do is truly believe he Is there in your heart in spirit and all around you, and hes willing to accept any issues you have with any emotional human nature you have.
Like flipping your tables over when your faced with thiefs who are challenging your beliefs.
We just have to believe Jesus will flip them tables over for us, and keep showing kindness as you are doing 😊
And let Jesus flip them over, for you.
So I was saying before in another thread Children are born to a promise, in scripture it tells us this and where also told children are born with angels who protect them and stare back in the face of God.
Well God did this for you to no doubt.
So whilst children are born into sin there not born slaves to satan.
So sin and satan sound the same thing but with satan there is no truth in him, where as when you where born you still had truth in you.
So here's the reasoning, that when we don't repent we break the promise we where born into, we then become further into bondage and whatever punishment God deems necessary,
When we repent he's Good enough to save us from that bondage and forgive us.
Satan has no hold on us then..
But should we sin whilst saved and not repent we become in bondage to sin first not satan,
If we don't repent, where then in danger of punishment.
I believe the only time we become slaves to satan when saved is if it's willful sinning serious sinning and habitat sinning.
And the lord has removed his light from us ashe did the same thing to Saul.
And Saul was persecuted to the point he became a reprobate.
But that's not saying you can't break those chains or God can't free you again 😊
As I also i believe person gets saved first before recieving salvation
I believe the salvation part is when the restoration of the finished works of Christ is completed in you.
So it could be your punished whilst in the being saved part, before recieving completeness.
Well not you personally but in general for everyone.
Sorry but I'm overwhelmed by the large number of points you made. I can't respond to all of them as there are just too many different subjects to cover in one reply.
I'd be happy to deal with a few at a time, that way we can cover each point thoroughly. Thank you in advance for understanding
I'd be happy to deal with a few at a time, that way we can cover each point thoroughly. Thank you in advance for understanding
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Your welcome Charlie, I'm enjoying are new found friendship. 😊
Well ok I'll raise The first point.
Acts 2:37-39
New International Version
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Well Charlie who are the far of and what promise are children born into
Another thing you may not be fully aware of in this place which I was not aware of, is theres a lot of doctrines going around related to people being stripped of God completely, obviously we can see the above verse says different.
The other issue is it seems to be coming from Calvinists, I don't fully know theese Calvinists yet, but it could be the reason you've been so aggrieved.
There doctrines of total depravity seems to have infected many people around here, along with people who don't even know they've been talking to Calvinists
The otherwise thing I've noticed is theres also this hyper grace being taught, by these calvinists to.
It's what you call a deadly combination, mixing total depravity with hyper grace
Or even partial depravity with grace.
So it's got to the stage where Calvinists are stripping everybody of God around here with total depravity, to establish there doctrines.
It's tough going around here at the moment Charlie.
Well ok I'll raise The first point.
Acts 2:37-39
New International Version
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Well Charlie who are the far of and what promise are children born into
Another thing you may not be fully aware of in this place which I was not aware of, is theres a lot of doctrines going around related to people being stripped of God completely, obviously we can see the above verse says different.
The other issue is it seems to be coming from Calvinists, I don't fully know theese Calvinists yet, but it could be the reason you've been so aggrieved.
There doctrines of total depravity seems to have infected many people around here, along with people who don't even know they've been talking to Calvinists
The otherwise thing I've noticed is theres also this hyper grace being taught, by these calvinists to.
It's what you call a deadly combination, mixing total depravity with hyper grace
Or even partial depravity with grace.
So it's got to the stage where Calvinists are stripping everybody of God around here with total depravity, to establish there doctrines.
It's tough going around here at the moment Charlie.
I agree men hate the awful truth, we wish it was all about love and feel good stuff. But the reality is, Jesus is casting over 100,000 people into hell everyday. He did say most people are on the broad road that leads to hell and very few find the narrow road that leads to heaven.
You didn't specify, who Peter was referring to when he said "you and your children". Does that include those Jesus casts into hell everyday. I'm just confused as to who they are.
I'm not worried about any Calvinists stripping God from me, He is in my heart so they can't do that and pus He's stronger than those nasty guys. He can beat them in a fist fight anytime.
I don't know anything abut this business about mixing hyper grace with total depravity. It sounds like a witches brew, I'd keep away from those deadly poisons, and stick with Gods medicine.
You didn't specify, who Peter was referring to when he said "you and your children". Does that include those Jesus casts into hell everyday. I'm just confused as to who they are.
I'm not worried about any Calvinists stripping God from me, He is in my heart so they can't do that and pus He's stronger than those nasty guys. He can beat them in a fist fight anytime.
I don't know anything abut this business about mixing hyper grace with total depravity. It sounds like a witches brew, I'd keep away from those deadly poisons, and stick with Gods medicine.