God's Intervention?
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Another instance...David knew well that God could change his mind through prayer.
2 Samuel 12
4 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
2 Samuel 12
4 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
Here are some (non-exhaustive) support along that vein, and that are not man's logic:
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
2 Samueal 23:5 "Although my house [is] not so with God, Yet He has made with me an everlasting covenant, Ordered in all [things] and secure. For [this is] all my salvation and all [my] desire; Will He not make [it] increase?
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Do YOU doubt the Lord's Sovereignty?
MM
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
2 Samueal 23:5 "Although my house [is] not so with God, Yet He has made with me an everlasting covenant, Ordered in all [things] and secure. For [this is] all my salvation and all [my] desire; Will He not make [it] increase?
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Do YOU doubt the Lord's Sovereignty?
MM
Hmm, I would have to say that I disagree, given this:
Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
There are many other verses I could post, but suffice it to say that the fall of man, and the shed Blood of Christ, it was all within the scope of God's plan for this world of man.
To say that the Lord is surprised by events, that's a subtraction from His Sovereignty, which is a typical practice within the arena of Gnosticism.
MM
Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
There are many other verses I could post, but suffice it to say that the fall of man, and the shed Blood of Christ, it was all within the scope of God's plan for this world of man.
To say that the Lord is surprised by events, that's a subtraction from His Sovereignty, which is a typical practice within the arena of Gnosticism.
MM
You can try to assume into David's beliefs any number of things, and yet it will remain nothing more than just assumption on your part. The concept of God allegedly changing His mind...no. To say otherwise is to claim that the Lord is caught off guard, and therefore lacks foreknowledge that I have clearly laid out above.
MM
MM
I don't think you understand the significance of the verse. It is God who opens the womb. Each birth is at His behest, and each person bears His unique design. If you couple this with Acts 17, God determines our times, our place of birth, and with James, even our success or failure in business...if the Lord wills.
God is intimately involved in every life: from its inception to our parting...that, happly, we might find Him...though He be not far from us.
God is intimately involved in every life: from its inception to our parting...that, happly, we might find Him...though He be not far from us.
Calvin's sovereignty of God is not biblical. God has complete dominion over all creation, but He has not determined all things that occur.
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; The death of Jesus was determined at the beginning. You cannot use this logic that God has determined all things to occur.
1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. Peter, speaking of the means of salvation, was determined before it happened, not individuals getting saved.
2 Samueal 23:5 "Although my house [is] not so with God, Yet He has made with me an everlasting covenant, Ordered in all [things] and secure. For [this is] all my salvation and all [my] desire; Will He not make [it] increase? God's covenant with Israel is a promise by God and nothing man can do will cause God to go back on that covenant.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' God has declared the end from the beginning. Have you ever read Revelation? God reigns on the throne over all creation in a new heaven and earth. To use this logic to mean all things in between causes God to be the author of sin. No thank you. That's Calvin's God, not the God of the bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." True statement, nothing to do with my post.
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; The death of Jesus was determined at the beginning. You cannot use this logic that God has determined all things to occur.
1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. Peter, speaking of the means of salvation, was determined before it happened, not individuals getting saved.
2 Samueal 23:5 "Although my house [is] not so with God, Yet He has made with me an everlasting covenant, Ordered in all [things] and secure. For [this is] all my salvation and all [my] desire; Will He not make [it] increase? God's covenant with Israel is a promise by God and nothing man can do will cause God to go back on that covenant.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times [things] that are not [yet] done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' God has declared the end from the beginning. Have you ever read Revelation? God reigns on the throne over all creation in a new heaven and earth. To use this logic to mean all things in between causes God to be the author of sin. No thank you. That's Calvin's God, not the God of the bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." True statement, nothing to do with my post.
Can God change his mind? Can God repent, and change his course? Ever read Jonah? Hezekiah? David knew this truth, that's why David prayed. God declared that David's child would die. David prayed and fasted that the child would live.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
Yes, if He chooses to be. Scripture states that God is perfect in Knowledge. If there is knowledge to be known, God knows it. The number of sand on a beach is knowledge only God could know. Thoughts in your mind is knowledge only God can know.
What if future decisions are not knowledge to be known until one makes the decision? Maybe God has allowed man to have a free will to make choices all day everyday. And God is still working in and through man's choices to bring about his desired end. That is a mighty God.
And please, if you're reading this, do not use phrases like, "God is surprised...caught off guard...etc...."
What if future decisions are not knowledge to be known until one makes the decision? Maybe God has allowed man to have a free will to make choices all day everyday. And God is still working in and through man's choices to bring about his desired end. That is a mighty God.
And please, if you're reading this, do not use phrases like, "God is surprised...caught off guard...etc...."