God's 7000 Year Plan for Mankind - And a Timeline!

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The supposed "7000 year plan" is a complete fantasy arrived at by twisting of Scripture!
See, the biggest stumbling block to truly believe in God’s words is always the Big Bang. If the first chapter in the Bible is not literal truth, then nothing else is.
 
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What are you basing your conclusion on? You are not using scripture to make that determination, you have falsely presented an assumption as fact.
At least I have a conclusion based on certain verses and biblical chronology. What's your conclusion on 2 Peter 3:8? Just an obscure, indefinite long period of time? An eternity or like "forever"? That's no interpretation or conclusion at all.

Your belief system is not from scripture, it has been injected into scripture without justification.
Oh great, so Big Bang is from scripture? That mother earth is “billion years old" instead of created in seven days? You choose to deny it because it's inherently incompatible with the Big Bang, and it becomes inconvenient.
 
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Oh great, so Big Bang is from scripture?
Definitely not. BB is a Jesuit construction, by George's Henri Lemaitre, SJ and held by many since like Guy Consolmagno, SJ. You'll find if you look, evolution, uniformitarianism, great ageism (even denial of the physical resurrection of Jesus, like Karl Rahner, SJ even Ratzinger (Benedict XVI)) is always backed by the modern Jesuits (including current Jesuit 'pope' Francis I (Jorge Bergoglio, SJ)), and fraudulently (Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, SJ -. Piltdown, etc). Even LeMarck was trained in Jesuit education.

Of course, it violates their sainted holy doctor Thomas Aquinas in Summa Theologica who was recent (6k) YEC, Global floodist, and the Summa bearing Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur, etc. See the quotes in my original link on 7000 year historical quotes.
 

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Unfortunately, no, as that Catholic teaching, would violate the type, and season, timings and items (like Ark in Heaven) and beings (like scapegoat and high priest). The Feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles could not, and did not take place at Calvary, neither at Pentecost. There are time prophecies linked to the last 3 feasts in scripture as my links and images detail. God is the God of order, not of confusion. God set the seasons and times specifically, though there is that false system that thinks to change times and laws. If you would like details, let me know.
I'm not Catholic. The. Temple where Gid resides isn't made with human hands.
Our bosies are his Temple.

The scapegoat is the living One, over whom sin was confessed and then went into the wilderness (the world) along with an able bodied man, which is what Jesus does with us now.

I'm not changing times or the law. I'm looking at it in the light of Christ.
 
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Read more slowly. I spoke of "Catholic teaching", to which you do not have to be "Catholic" to believe and/or practice. I never said you were Catholic. I said you are espousing and expounding Catholic doctrine.
 

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Unfortunately, no, as that Catholic teaching violates what scripture says in several places that "and shall reign" (future tense, 1000 years heaven), & "we shall reign" (future tense, after 1000 years in heaven coming back to earth, to be remade new and reign for ever and ever). I have the texts if you need. Jesus said that his kingdom is not of this world. We are Kings and Priests, but Jesus holds our crowns until that day of his return.

You might consider this study on Dominion:

https://archive.org/details/dominion_202005

https://archive.org/details/dominion_202006

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zGKREMDKqEM9/
Believers reign for eternity. The misunderstanding is in thinking, "We will be made new...later...in the far future." The fact is, we're being made new...now. We will be transformed... later.

We need to understand that what is true...has always been true. Gods' ways aren't the ways of unbelievers. Unfortunately, theologians have adopted a worldly perspective of dominion, power, might, call it what you want, and interpret scripture that way. But after unbelievers did everything in their power to rid themselves of God, he's still living. And he defeated them with the sword from his mouth.
 

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Read more slowly. I spoke of "Catholic teaching", to which you do not have to be "Catholic" to believe and/or practice. I never said you were Catholic. I said you are espousing and expounding Catholic doctrine.
I don't what doctrine you're referring to. I don't know a lot of Catholic beliefs, but my view is different from what I do know about them.
 

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My sincere friend, the devil doesn't make atonement for anyone.
The scape goat is symbolically carrying all the sins of Israel and banished into the wilderness on the Day of Atonement, that's all.
 

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The scape goat is symbolically carrying all the sins of Israel and banished into the wilderness on the Day of Atonement, that's all.
The sins of this world were "carried by" (inflicted on) our Savior.
 

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See, the biggest stumbling block to truly believe in God’s words is always the Big Bang. If the first chapter in the Bible is not literal truth, then nothing else is.
Doesn't change the fact that you've twisted Scripture!
 

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Yeah, I know. I was just talking about the original custom of the Day of Atonement.
The Day of Atomement in the OT is a picture of Christs' death and resurrection. The scapegoat is our risen Lord, who goes with the believer into the wilderness and when the believer returns, he's washed and made clean.
 

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“We're being made in his image. It's when, but also how”

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:22-24‬ ‭

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-10, 12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
These are fantastic Pilgrimshope!
 
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The Day of Atomement in the OT is a picture of Christs' death and resurrection. The scapegoat is our risen Lord, who goes with the believer into the wilderness and when the believer returns, he's washed and made clean.
No, day of Atonement took place in, fall (7th month Ethanim) not spring (1st month Abib).

No, day of Atonement takes place after Trumpets, after Pentecost, after Firstfruits, after Unleavened, after Passover, and before Tabernacles. It cannot, and never has taken place before Pentecost at the time of Passover.

No, day of Atonement requires the Ark of God and it's mercy seat, and Most Holy place, as well as high priest, none of which were present at Passover. Jesus was not made high priest until Pentecost. The Ark of God and Most Holy place are not utilized or witnessed until the period of the 6th and 7th churches in Revelation. See also Hebrews.

No, day of Atonement required the casting of lots between two goats, only one of which was for the LORD, and the other for the scapegoat. Never in scripture are lots cast between two or more things if they represent the same thing or person.

No, day of Atonement required the fit man to remove the scapegoat, and the fit man is Jesus, see also Rev. 20 and Isa. 24.

No, day of Atonement scapegoat represents sin (as all goats do), not the risen Jesus.

No, day of Atonement scapegoat was taken into the empty wilderness never to return. Jesus, the fit man returns. Scapegoat (devil) does not return. See Rev. 20 & Isa. 24 and Nahum 1:9.
 
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My sincere friend, the devil doesn't make atonement for anyone.
Look at the text again. Scapegoat is to make an atonement not for Israel, but with "him" (Lev. 16:10). The devil suffers for his own sins and for all the sins which he tempted people to commit. Rev. 20; Isa. 24, Zeph 2, etc.
 
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This has just proven that you didn't read it in context at all. Genesis 6:3 says 120 years remaining till God flooded the whole earth, what does that have to do with human lifespan? If longevity is your angle, isn't 70-80 in Psalm 90:10 more accurate? Before the flood those patriarchs lived hundreds of years, even AFTER the flood, Abraham lived 175 years. That's nowhere near 120.

Bible can have both literal, spiritual and prophetic aspects, and they're not excluding one another. I just point out the prophetic aspect - and kind of a literal aspect, which do NOT negate spiritual aspect. Adam didn't see any of these aspect, he probably saw Eve eat of it and still alive, so eventually he gave it and ate it as well. God wasn't lying, it was Adam who didn't truly understand.
That's actually why I asked those two questions at the beginning of my post. I think your explanation of the 120 years makes a lot of sense. I was taught something different in church, your explanation is better.

I think my point about God's spirit sustaining all life still holds however.
 
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At least I have a conclusion based on certain verses and biblical chronology.
A model based on a nonliteral interpretation of the Genesis creation story would also rely on scripture to form its conclusions and chronology. Metaphor does not mean "none of this is real" only that there are hidden meanings represented by the descriptions.

What's your conclusion on 2 Peter 3:8? Just an obscure, indefinite long period of time? An eternity or like "forever"? That's no interpretation or conclusion at all.
It is a scripturally valid model to observe some lengths of time as figurative. Particularly in cases where 1000 years is mentioned or 1 day, or "the day of" something.

From a figurative interpretation, because the longest living human lived less than 1000 years, 1000 years can be seen an arbitrary, nonspecific, length of time longer than any mortal human can experience.

The reason we know at least one of the passages is figurative is because 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 cannot both be literally true at the same time. It is therefore the case that at least some descriptions in scripture are necessarily figurative.

Oh great, so Big Bang is from scripture? That mother earth is “billion years old" instead of created in seven days?
No one claimed that the Big Bang was "from scripture" but the Big Bang is not necessarily incompatible with scripture.

You choose to deny it because it's inherently incompatible with the Big Bang, and it becomes inconvenient.
It is could be the case that it was 7 literal 24 hour days. It could also be the case that "day" is figurative in Gen 1. A literal interpretation is indeed incompatible with a typical Big Bang model, but it is not necessarily the case that the Genesis account is literal.

Is Jesus literally bread? (John 6:35) Is the earth literally flat? Is heaven literally a physical place in the sky underneath water? (Genesis 1:6-8). It would be an unusual position to interpret everything in scripture literally.

Clearly there needs to be process behind what we reasonably consider to be literal and that which we consider to be figurative language. It's easy to turn off your brain and go on autopilot interpreting everything at face value, but scripture calls us to think about things and test all things. Interpreting everything as necessarily literal is not good exegesis.

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" - 1 Thes 5:21 KJV