God, math and science

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Eli1

Eli1

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posthuman said:
whoah whoah whoah
got some assumptions going on there m8

  • Does mankind create math or discover it?
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Yes, this is another mystery.
I tend to believe that math is part of the Creation.

The name “Math” may not be important in a universe where there might be other intelligence which has discovered math.
What’s important is the concept.

So when we look at a sheep or an animal or anything else in nature, we count that as one unit. Then we add another unit.
The moment you do that, you’ve just discovered math which was already there.

Once you’ve discovered the concept, it’s not important how you call it. One, 1, I, Egyptian Hieroglyph or whatever.
You can now predict and create physical things with this concept.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

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posthuman said:
agree - good we have definitions. very difficult to proceed without them.

to the original question under these definitions i would say Adam was 0 ((insert unit)) old when he was created, aged at 0yr/yr and time traveled into the future at a rate of 1hr/hr until Genesis 3:7
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Interesting take on time travel. Not as glamorous as Hollywood.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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Eli1 said:
So when we look at a sheep or an animal or anything else in nature, we count that as one unit. Then we add another unit.
The moment you do that, you’ve just discovered math which was already there.
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excellent example :)

i agree; we don't create theorems. we discover them. it's a hot topic in math communities, essentially mimicking the creation/evolution division in physics
 
Magenta

Magenta

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10-22-27 said:
Scientists who were Christian’s.

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627) was a philosopher known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun.

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) is remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650) was a French mathematician, scientist, and philosopher called the father of modern philosophy.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer, and theologian. He published a treatise on projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory in mathematics.

Isaac Newton (1642-1727) In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. He saw mathematics and numbers as central in all his science (including chemistry).

Robert Boyle (1791-1867) Boyle gave his name to “Boyle’s Law” for gases and also wrote an important work on chemistry.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867) was one of the most outstanding scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics but led to much of our lifestyles today.

Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) laid the mathematical foundations of genetics in what came to be called “Mendelianism”.

William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907) helped lay the foundations of modern physics.

Max Planck (1858-1947) is best known for quantum theory, revolutionizing our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds.

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) is best known and is associated with significant revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy. Einstein never came to a personal belief in God but did recognize the impossibility of a non-created universe.

It has been said, “Once the basic principles are understood, then everything else will fall into place.”
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It's interesting to see the list of Christians who have won Nobel prizes (<= link).

In an estimate by Baruch Shalev, between 1901 and 2000 about 65.4% of
Nobel prize winners were either Christians or had a Christian background.
 
posthuman

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oyster67 said:
The level of Joe Christian's ignorance and gullibility concerning such matters is amazing. Satan and his children in the scientific communities must be laughing their socks off at us. They all know what fossils are and that none of the original material actually remains. Just hardened materials that seep into the empty cavities that mark the spot where these poor beasts perished. None of the original material remains for very long. Meat and bone does not hang around like and rock and stone. The Great Flood churned all the layers around like a giant washing machine, so the layer thingy doesn't work either.
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the fact is that the layers are mixed - - if you look at worldwide data. and fossils are found in unimaginably huge bone beds containing millions of individuals, clearly recording a crazily catastrophic event. you don't find just one fossil, you find an area where hundreds of thousands or thousands of times more creatures were rapidly buried in wet silt.

dinosaurs and fossils are indisputable facts. but how they came to be fossilized requires interpretation with no small amount of speculation. worldviews color that.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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10-22-27 said:
Scientists who were Christian’s.

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627) was a philosopher known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun.

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) is remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650) was a French mathematician, scientist, and philosopher called the father of modern philosophy.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer, and theologian. He published a treatise on projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory in mathematics.

Isaac Newton (1642-1727) In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. He saw mathematics and numbers as central in all his science (including chemistry).

Robert Boyle (1791-1867) Boyle gave his name to “Boyle’s Law” for gases and also wrote an important work on chemistry.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867) was one of the most outstanding scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics but led to much of our lifestyles today.

Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) laid the mathematical foundations of genetics in what came to be called “Mendelianism”.

William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907) helped lay the foundations of modern physics.

Max Planck (1858-1947) is best known for quantum theory, revolutionizing our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds.

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) is best known and is associated with significant revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy. Einstein never came to a personal belief in God but did recognize the impossibility of a non-created universe.

It has been said, “Once the basic principles are understood, then everything else will fall into place.”
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the fundamental assumption of all science is that the universe homogeneously follows ubiquitous precepts - an assumption only tacitly valid if it was created by Someone Who has the attribute of eternal consistent character.
 
posthuman

posthuman

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10-22-27 said:
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) is best known and is associated with significant revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy. Einstein never came to a personal belief in God but did recognize the impossibility of a non-created universe.
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How you gonna say this and leave Neils Bohr out lol
 
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