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Most interpret God's love to be like human love, but it is not. God's love is holy, man's is not; God's love is uninfluenced, man's is not; God's love is never capricious, man's is not; God's love is eternal, man's is not; God’s love is selfless, man’s is not, God’s love is free to choose, man’s is not ... etc. etc.
Love is that in God which moves Him to give Himself and His gifts spontaneously, voluntarily, righteously, and eternally, for the good of personal beings, regardless of their merit or response. His love is uncaused (uninfluenced) as God is independent (Ephesians 1:4). Since God loves His people because they are in Christ, it is not regulated by their fruitfulness and it is the same at all times. Because He loves them in Christ, the Father loves them as Christ. The time will come when His prayer will be answered, “that the world may know that thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved Me” (John 17:23).
Love is a subset of goodness which includes mercy, faithfulness, long-suffering, patience, verity (Romans 2:4a; 1 Timothy 1:16; 1 Peter 3:20; James 1:19) and grace (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 103:8).
Love is that in God which moves Him to give Himself and His gifts spontaneously, voluntarily, righteously, and eternally, for the good of personal beings, regardless of their merit or response. His love is uncaused (uninfluenced) as God is independent (Ephesians 1:4). Since God loves His people because they are in Christ, it is not regulated by their fruitfulness and it is the same at all times. Because He loves them in Christ, the Father loves them as Christ. The time will come when His prayer will be answered, “that the world may know that thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved Me” (John 17:23).
Love is a subset of goodness which includes mercy, faithfulness, long-suffering, patience, verity (Romans 2:4a; 1 Timothy 1:16; 1 Peter 3:20; James 1:19) and grace (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 103:8).
(Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you)
(Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.)
Love your enemies, hat ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.)
Love your enemies, hat ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.
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Scripture defines LOVE as Colossians 3:14 Beyond all these things put on and wrap yourselves in [unselfish] love, which is the perfect bond of unity [for everything is bound together in agreement when each one seeks the best for others].
I contend that
Premise 1: those IN CHRIST have a BOND OF UNITY
Premise 2: A BOND OF UNITY is a scriptural definition of LOVE
Premise 3: in those who are sons of satan are not in Christ
Conclusion: Son of Satan are not LOVED by God
Aside: Everyone loved to the degree that God lets the sun and rain fall on the good and evil ones. But one group spends 99.99999999% of their existence heaven and the other in hell
We, it is your verse, so it is your onus to prove the WE means everyone without exception. I suggest you start with those that never heard the gospel; an explanation of how God died for them and the method by which they are saved. Please give scripture.
I contend that
Premise 1: those IN CHRIST have a BOND OF UNITY
Premise 2: A BOND OF UNITY is a scriptural definition of LOVE
Premise 3: in those who are sons of satan are not in Christ
Conclusion: Son of Satan are not LOVED by God
Aside: Everyone loved to the degree that God lets the sun and rain fall on the good and evil ones. But one group spends 99.99999999% of their existence heaven and the other in hell
We, it is your verse, so it is your onus to prove the WE means everyone without exception. I suggest you start with those that never heard the gospel; an explanation of how God died for them and the method by which they are saved. Please give scripture.
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We can deal with later.. .. and you are trying to side track me.. back to where we started.
Okay let us continue with my question... since it is absolutely biblical that we are called to love our enemies.
44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Why are we called to love those God hates?
Okay let us continue with my question... since it is absolutely biblical that we are called to love our enemies.
44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Why are we called to love those God hates?
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Okay can you see it now? 
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(Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you)
(Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.)
Love your enemies, hat ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.
........................(Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you)
(Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.)
Love your enemies, hat ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.
AGREED. But the question is about GOD'S LOVE, not our love for our enemies. That's why I defined "God's love". You should also define "God's love" to ensure we are agreed to the definition of the forum question.
Aside: Psalm 139:19 O that You would kill the wicked, O God;
Go away from me, therefore, men of bloodshed.
20 For they speak against You wickedly,
Your enemies take Your name in vain.
21 Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect and utmost hatred;
They have become my enemies.
..........but I don't want to change the subject to man's love for his enemies.
Aside: Psalm 139:19 O that You would kill the wicked, O God;
Go away from me, therefore, men of bloodshed.
20 For they speak against You wickedly,
Your enemies take Your name in vain.
21 Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect and utmost hatred;
They have become my enemies.
..........but I don't want to change the subject to man's love for his enemies.
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The problem with all of your premesis is you do not give EVERY possible premise
While your PREMISES and conclusions may fit a possible outcome. It may not be the only ones possible
example. in your previous premise
Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone
You state you do not agree with premise 2.
Yet premise 1 in my view is incorrect.
This your conclusion and premises are faulty (not complete) In your conclusion. based on these premises, you would possibly be correct
However. as I said, Your premises are faulty,, They need adjusted.. because they are not the only two possible premises
While your PREMISES and conclusions may fit a possible outcome. It may not be the only ones possible
example. in your previous premise
Premise 1: Gate hates evil people
Premise 2: Everyone is evil (implied)
Conclusion: God hates everyone
You state you do not agree with premise 2.
Yet premise 1 in my view is incorrect.
This your conclusion and premises are faulty (not complete) In your conclusion. based on these premises, you would possibly be correct
However. as I said, Your premises are faulty,, They need adjusted.. because they are not the only two possible premises
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Okay can you see it now? .........................
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My premise may be faulty. I am just saying the you have to give a logical reason as to why it is faulty. Just saying it is faulty is not a good argument.
This is an example of what I am saying. Yes, Premise 1 may be incorrect. You need to say WHY. That's all I am saying.
Aside: You are not obligated to say WHY, but it would be helpful to give and explanation.
Aside: This is why I like a person's definition of God's LOVE. If it mean "X" to you and "Y" to me, we are talking in the wind.
This is an example of what I am saying. Yes, Premise 1 may be incorrect. You need to say WHY. That's all I am saying.
Aside: You are not obligated to say WHY, but it would be helpful to give and explanation.
Aside: This is why I like a person's definition of God's LOVE. If it mean "X" to you and "Y" to me, we are talking in the wind.
1) "There's this thing called justice."
Did I ever deny that there is justice?
2) "When a person is found guilty, the judge may not delight in rendering the guilty's just sentence, but if he/she is a just judge, he will give him them their just due and send them to prison for being guilty of the crime they were convicted of."
Of course! But that's not what we are discussing. I did not deny that the just judge will render just sentence to the guilty. I deny your conclusion that that means He does not love them. You are saying that God's justice is incompatible with His love. I am saying that it's not.
Did I ever deny that there is justice?
2) "When a person is found guilty, the judge may not delight in rendering the guilty's just sentence, but if he/she is a just judge, he will give him them their just due and send them to prison for being guilty of the crime they were convicted of."
Of course! But that's not what we are discussing. I did not deny that the just judge will render just sentence to the guilty. I deny your conclusion that that means He does not love them. You are saying that God's justice is incompatible with His love. I am saying that it's not.
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