God, Job and Us

[Laish]

I will repeat; There is no record in the bible that Job's children who Satan killed where saved. The bible said Job was righteous, not his children. The bible says Job presented sacrifices for them. It did not say they did it on their own. Any person who is twenty and above is accountable for their own sins according to the bible. However, the Lord will have mercy on whom He please.

Ok I have a question. How did you get the age of accountability of 20 ?
I see in 2nd Kings 32: 8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem; and his mother’s name was Nehushta the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. 9 He did evil in the sight of the Lord, according to all that his father had done.
Here I see 18 . Note also in 2nd Chronicles It says 8 in some translations or 18 with a note saying 8 according to the Hebrew texts 36: 9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem, and he did evil in the sight of the Lord.
. Just wondering about the 20 year figure.
Blessings
Bill

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Ok I have a question. How did you get the age of accountability of 20 ?
I see in 2nd Kings 32: 8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem; and his mother’s name was Nehushta the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. 9 He did evil in the sight of the Lord, according to all that his father had done.
Here I see 18 . Note also in 2nd Chronicles It says 8 in some translations or 18 with a note saying 8 according to the Hebrew texts 36: 9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem, and he did evil in the sight of the Lord.
. Just wondering about the 20 year figure.
Blessings
Bill

Grace and mercy - all children go to heaven.

Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. Exodus 30:14

God commanded those who were twenty years old and above to pay a ransom for their souls because anyone nineteen years and below were consider by God to be children and were under the protective head of the household. If he was only nineteen he was not old enough to pay a ransom for his own soul, he was still covered under his fathers ransom.

God will confirm this again in two other places of scripture. I am a firm believer in the "two witness theory," which is that there should be at least two scriptures to verify any Bible teaching that we use.

He decided to punish them by allowing them to die in the Wilderness. Israel was condemned to wander for the next forty years in the Wilderness while these people died. But God did not sentence everyone to die in the Wilderness. Along with Joshua, Caleb and their families he spared the children of those that had sinned against him. Anyone who was twenty years and older was condemned to die in the Wilderness because God held them accountable for their sin against him. But God in his mercy spared the children. Anyone who was nineteen years and under were spared and not held accountable because God saw them as children. Here are some of the scriptures to confirm this.

Num 14:29: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

We can tell that he would destroy those who were twenty and older and spare those who were nineteen years and younger but, how does this prove accountability? Maybe he just picked a random number to spare and went by that? Well lets look in Deuteronomy and see what it says concerning their accountability.

Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

This scripture is speaking of the same thing that we just read about in Numbers 14:29. It is speaking of all Israel who was considered by the Lord to not be held accountable for the sins of Israel. In this verse he says because they had no knowledge between good and evil. This clearly shows us that in Gods view anyone who is under twenty years old is insufficient when it comes to making decisions about what is good and evil. He did not hold them accountable for themselves.

 

[Laish]

Grace and mercy - all children go to heaven.

Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. Exodus 30:14

God commanded those who were twenty years old and above to pay a ransom for their souls because anyone nineteen years and below were consider by God to be children and were under the protective head of the household. If he was only nineteen he was not old enough to pay a ransom for his own soul, he was still covered under his fathers ransom.

God will confirm this again in two other places of scripture. I am a firm believer in the "two witness theory," which is that there should be at least two scriptures to verify any Bible teaching that we use.

He decided to punish them by allowing them to die in the Wilderness. Israel was condemned to wander for the next forty years in the Wilderness while these people died. But God did not sentence everyone to die in the Wilderness. Along with Joshua, Caleb and their families he spared the children of those that had sinned against him. Anyone who was twenty years and older was condemned to die in the Wilderness because God held them accountable for their sin against him. But God in his mercy spared the children. Anyone who was nineteen years and under were spared and not held accountable because God saw them as children. Here are some of the scriptures to confirm this.

Num 14:29: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

We can tell that he would destroy those who were twenty and older and spare those who were nineteen years and younger but, how does this prove accountability? Maybe he just picked a random number to spare and went by that? Well lets look in Deuteronomy and see what it says concerning their accountability.

Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

This scripture is speaking of the same thing that we just read about in Numbers 14:29. It is speaking of all Israel who was considered by the Lord to not be held accountable for the sins of Israel. In this verse he says because they had no knowledge between good and evil. This clearly shows us that in Gods view anyone who is under twenty years old is insufficient when it comes to making decisions about what is good and evil. He did not hold them accountable for themselves.

Ok some stuff to think and to read up on thx .
Interesting question arises then . If we are not acceptable before 20 can we make a legitimate decision to follow Christ before we are 20 ?
Blessings
Bill

 

[jimd]

Ok some stuff to think and to read up on thx .
Interesting question arises then . If we are not acceptable before 20 can we make a legitimate decision to follow Christ before we are 20 ?
Blessings
Bill

We can make a legitimate decision to follow Christ at any age. Following through remains to be seen.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Ok some stuff to think and to read up on thx .
Interesting question arises then . If we are not acceptable before 20 can we make a legitimate decision to follow Christ before we are 20 ?
Blessings
Bill

Please note: No where in the bible do you see Jesus talking to a child...He talked to the parent only. (Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22:6).

 

[shrume]

Please note: No where in the bible do you see Jesus talking to a child...He talked to the parent only. (Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22:6).

Luke 18:
15) And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
16) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.