getting out of tribulation....

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Lanolin

Lanolin

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oyster67 said:
Please let me show you something.

Those Jews who came to Jesus during the Trib are presented, by their tribes:
Revelation 7:8
“Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”

Those are the Jews who came out of the Tribulation Period. There is then another group presented:

Revelation 7:9
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;”

This group is the sum of all who were prepared with their lamps trimmed and burning at the time of the Rapture.

Both groups receive white robes in Heaven and return to earth with Jesus at the time of His Second Coming. This is not new. It has been right there in your Bible for the longest time.
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exactly
after tribulation and then rapture/resurrection whats left is wrath for unbelievers.

Tribulation just means difficulty or suffering. Of COURSE we will suffer and have difficulties. Thats what being a christian entails..we are always going to be hated by those who hate God.

However, whatver difficulties we face, we will not be under Gods wrath or the Lambs wrath which is really His vengeance on unbelievers . We will be with Jesus and sealed.

how do people not know this or confuse the two. Weird. and then say oh believers are going to be raptured BEFORE tribulation. Not making sense! reading the Bible backwards probably!
 
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Lanolin said:
I kinda think those who adhere to pre-tribulation are like those who play monopoly and covet those 'get out of jail free' cards

I dont know. I know scripture does say 'after tribulation' rather than before. But of course lots of people prefer that they never face any tribulation of any kind. My question is if they dont, how do they know their faith is real? If its never actually tested...?

Whether it be Great Tribulation or just personal tribulation. For who can say any Christian leads a charmed life in this world?

Its just a strange thing to think that for seven years according to some popular teaching the church will disappear. Just how is never explained. Oh we just not going to be here. Ok....and just where will the believers go. I thought they would be prohesying or witnessing but apparently for those who believe we will be raptured there is just nothing for us to do.

Instead a logical reading of Matthew 26 is that after tribulation Jesus will appear. Right up until the end we can preach the gospel and be witnesses. Its just those in Judaea are the ones Jesus told to 'flee to the mountains'

Then in Matthew chapter 25 Jesus has gathered all nations before him (see verse 32) and separates them from each other. Sheep on the right, goats on the left. It does not say he gets the sheep first going to heaven and then the goats he puts through tribulation AND punishment.

It seems both go through tribulation, and Jesus sees how their faith or lack of it is tested, then decides which ones go to heaven or hell.

thoughts? Just putting out there
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Congratulations. You're actually reading what's there.
 
oyster67

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Lanolin said:
However, whatver difficulties we face, we will not be under Gods wrath or the Lambs wrath which is really His vengeance on unbelievers . We will be with Jesus and sealed.
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The above is correct. We will be with Jesus and sealed during the seven years of Tribulation on Earth. Do we agree that we have finished our course at this point? If so, we agree on what is most important.

2 Timothy 4:
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
 
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