Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

[massorite]

It mastters not much how many times others are informed of how our Lord has appeared to us in His three persons, albeit as men or angels, they do not understand.

They do not understand because they do not have the faith to believe what they have in front of their own eyes in text.

It should be revealed instantly by the Holy Spirit. Perhaps more kprayer is needed. The first time we are aware of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being God, although not yet named, is when God said, "Come, let Us make man in Our own image." Is it too obvious?

All blessings in Yeshua-Jesus, amen.

Sorry Jaumej but this time you are wrong. The Holy Spirit only reveals what God allows Him to reveal and having the Holy Spirit is in no way a gauge of how "Holy" we are.
Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Even the Word of God tells us that we may be entertaining angels unawares. I was once out on a highway working on my broken down car when suddenly there was a homeless old man there who had been wearing and walking in a pair of shoes that were to small for him to wear. The result was that his feet had busted out of those shoes and they were so bloody that I couldn't believe that he was still walking. I never saw him coming from any direction and with feet like that he would have been walking very slowly. He was just there suddenly. We gave him something to eat and drink and when we finished with the repair I took to him to a Salvation Army store where I bought him some cloths and a pair of work boots that would fit him. Then I dropped off at a homeless shelter that only opened in the evening to give the homeless a hot meal, a shower and a night of rest in a bed. I never saw him again and it dawned on me that he might have been an angel only after I had left him at the shelter and gone on about my business.
Hebrews 13:2 shows that God controls whether or not angels who appear to men as a man are revealed to be angels by the Holy Spirit and just because you have the Holy Spirit doesn't mean that all things will be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[massorite]

No worshiping the things seen the temporal .we walk by faith requiring the right prescription in order to rightly divide.( 2 Corinthian 4:18 ) Not Hollywood

There is not one reason as evidence that supports Hollywood and its works of creating wonderments, illusions .We walk by faith the unseen eternal .

The word Angel simply means "messenger" with no other meaning added.. Apostles are messengers .Jesus is a messengers sent by God .Christians as sons of God are messengers sent by God .

Angel does not mean you have entered the twilight Zone . And its time to start wondering and imagining rather than having faith and believing something called evidence,

Lol you have way to much of a imagination. Your have no evidence to these extraterrestrial hybrids.

.Just one naming of the hybrid off spring would do. . Chapter and verse .

False messengers appear as men .They are called false -prophets or false apostles.

The three men are not the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Lord has no form to begin with ,God is not a man .He gives visions .Just as the opposing spirit of lies ..

Three men. God uses three to denote the end of the matter .Homosexuals' desiring to have sex with men . Nothing about them desiring sex with a woman. We already know as Christian we do not wrestles against flesh and blood

Has something changed and we better be sure we are not entertaining a angel DNA testing is not required.

Don’t Follow Rules That People Make So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels.[ They always talk about the visions they have seen. "Don’t listen to them" when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on "their own human ideas". They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow. Colossian 2:16=18

Our high priest apostle and prophet was sent with words of the Lord .And not of his own mind and will (powerless). As it is written and again three times. denoting the end of the mater .Again as it is written denoting the one source of Christian faith . No wonders need to be added.

Mathew 4:10-11 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, (not seen) and him only shalt thou serve.

Paraphrased. Do not serve the flesh of the Son of man, anymore than that the apostle Peter when used Mathew 16 .

Get behind me not seen. Not Perter seen or Jesus seen Then the devil left him, and, behold, angels not seen came and ministered unto him.

Called words of comfort from the father. The words worked in the fleshly mind of Jesus as two walking together. words from a book .

There is not a personal angel siting on ones shoulder when studying .God is not a man and neither is their a fleshly mediator set between God not seen and corrupted man called a daysman .( Job 9 32-33)

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

See I told you that you would argue with a fence post and I was right. LOL Give you some scripture and you are still so self blinded you wouldn't see the truth even if God slapped you in the face with it. NUFF SAID.

 

[JaumeJ]

My reference in my post is directed to the grammatical usage of the plurals.

It is quite true that only the Holy Spirit gives us understanding of the Gospel and all it contains...…………….

 

[crossnote]

Thanks crossnote, for noticing. I am saying that angels in the Bible are people whom God has saved (the saints, the true believers, God's people) whom God has quickened by His Spirit with His message and his ministry. However, the term also includes Jesus himself. Can you show me a scripture that says otherwise?

How about...
Matthew 25:41 NKJV
[41] "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[garee]

See I told you that you would argue with a fence post and I was right. LOL Give you some scripture and you are still so self blinded you wouldn't see the truth even if God slapped you in the face with it. NUFF SAID.

You gave me scripture that I used to compare to others throughout the word of God . Context is needed .You have not proved anything .

God is not a man. Inspired messages of truth "prophecy" do not have form . How beautiful are the feet or wonderful are the living words written down . They work in our mind to reveal the truth of Him not seen

He sends men called sons of God with his word called , messengers an another word for angel , apostles.

Renown a word used 11 times (mighty men) giant of the faith of Christ working in them to both will and do the God pleasure of our unseen Lord .

When a person makes the renown of God into the renown of natural men as daughter of men (Not born of God) .Then Hollywood can come in and do its work of creating illusions. Easy today just a click of the mouse on special effects . And a Alien appears .

 

[garee]

How about...
Matthew 25:41 NKJV
[41] "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

When the letter of the law death is cast into the fire of God's final judgment . The legion will have lost his tool, shown below, to deceive men .Did God really say you will not die .Look a snake and live. Lying spirits coming from the one father of lies have no form.

The letter of the law death will not rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation .Its the cause of sufferings the pangs of hell the wrath being reveled. It will not enter the promised land

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[crossnote]

When the letter of the law death is cast into the fire of God's final judgment . The legion will have lost his tool, shown below, to deceive men .Did God really say you will not die .Look a snake and live. Lying spirits coming from the one father of lies have no form.

The letter of the law death will not rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation .Its the cause of sufferings the pangs of hell the wrath being reveled. It will not enter the promised land

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say "the letter of the law will be cast into the Lake of Fire", rather...

Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Dino246]

You gave me scripture that I used to compare to others throughout the word of God . Context is needed .You have not proved anything .

Given that YOU ignore context on important matters of scriptural interpretation, your comment is sadly ironic.

 

[garee]

Given that YOU ignore context on important matters of scriptural interpretation, your comment is sadly ironic.

The kind of scriptural interpretation, you follow after? literalize the spiritual understand hid from natural man?

Did you mean the unseen spiritual understanding found in parables, prophecy? They teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal .

Was there a verse you had it mind?

 

[Dino246]

The kind of scriptural interpretation, you follow after? literalize the spiritual understand hid from natural man?

CONTEXT.

Did you mean the unseen spiritual understanding found in parables, prophecy? They teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal .

No.

Was there a verse you had it mind?

Yes. Matthew 13:34.

 

[garee]

Nowhere in Scripture does it say "the letter of the law will be cast into the Lake of Fire", rather...

Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The father of lies has no power of his own . The letter of the law is "death" . Lies is weapon of the father of lies choice Not you will surely not die. .look at me and live. As in ; Who needs faith? The lying wonder that causes death. lying spirits have no form. . They were not created of the rudiments of this corrupted creation a global body of death

Death by that false prophet Satan (not sent by God as a true apostle ) It caused the sufferings of hell we experience as the first death.

Lying spirits under the letter of the law were tossed in the fiery judgement .Lying spirits have no DNA Substance is needed to burn .

The letter of the law "death" will not rise and corrupt to death another entire creation. It has lost the power of that kind of tongue . It has no power to bring nes spirit life. Killing power is all the spirit of lies can perform . the serial murderer from the beginning

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Ecclesiastes 8:8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

 

[garee]

CONTEXT.


No.


Yes. Matthew 13:34.

What is there that you question? Not legitimate? Parable the signified tongue of God have nothing to do with prophecy .Is that what you say?

 

[WithinReason]

Wow!! You got some messed up theology.
No one was born again until Jesus Christ paid for our sin by dying in our place and was resurrected.

Seth was born in Adam’s physical and spiritual likeness and condition. He needed Jesus just as much as you or I.

I see you are little immature in your understanding of Scripture. This might be too far over your head. You should probably just read and learn.

Did you read anything here which was given? Read the whole thread please.

"Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'"

https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...eate-the-scripture-kjb-declares-not-so.93713/

 

[birdie]

How about...
Matthew 25:41 NKJV
[41] "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Thanks crossnote. It is true that the term angel can also be used for those humans who are messengers from the other side. Good point. There are those Christians who are real ones and then there are those who are false ones. Can you find a scripture saying that angels are something other than humans or Christ?

 

[Dino246]

What is there that you question? Not legitimate? Parable the signified tongue of God have nothing to do with prophecy .Is that what you say?

As you are unable to follow the thread of the conversation, I see no value in responding further.

 

[Scribe]

There is no logic, just conjecture in what you’ve stated. Because He includes eating and drinking and weddings does not point to Genesis 6 at all.

Therefore you take the position that Jesus was NOT referring to anything specifically stated in Genesis concerning what they were doing in the days of Noah? That there is no one passage of scripture he was talking about? This seems unlikely based on the very use of the phrase "Days of Noah" which would cause most people to naturally look for it in the ONLY record we have of the Days of Noah, the scriptures themselves. (That my friend is indeed and example of LOGIC, and much more logical than the idea that Jesus was NOT referring to any scripture)

Second, men’s daughters weren’t given in marriage. They were taken,

Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

Gen 11:29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife [was] Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah

Gen 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

Dt 24:5 “When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.”

There are many more examples proving that the phrase "took them wives" or "take a wife" does not mean rape or some kind of forcing as as been imagined by some who did not take the lexical syntactical rules of hermeneutics into account. There is no difference in what the sons of god did when they took these wives from the children of men in the Hebrew language than what Lamech, or Abraham did. It simply means they married, however that looked in the primitive custom of the time. (That is also Logic by the way, based on where the phrase is used in other scriptures by the SAME author in the SAME book, and quite superior logic to the suggestion of forced sex)

.. why make a reference to the giants, sons of extra terrestrials (that’s what elohim means; heavenly resident...or a judge) and elude to extraordinary offspring if they were just men? Your reference just means they were totally unaware of impending doom. Marrying and giving in marriage are plans for a future.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Actually "there were giants in the land in those days" is a stand alone statement that comes before the reference to the offspring. Using agreed upon reading comprehension skills of the order in which a subject is mention the more natural interpretation would be that these giants existed before the sons of god and daughters of men had offspring but that would not exclude further giants as the population continued and I do not see in the order of the sentences in the passage that the giants were a result of the union. Even if they were, as there is every reason to connect the "and also after that" with the reference to giants already mentioned and the offspring of the sons of god and daughters of men were mighty men, men of renown, a reference to a "rule by might" culture by both the giants and the offspring of the wicked union of those who departed from faith in the Living God. (That also is logic and faithfulness to the text without going beyond what is written)

Men who in there wickedness ruled in violence and brutality not because they were half angle but because they were WICKED men.

Side by side, I would label your interpretation has highly imaginative conjecture and mine as common sense reading comprehension, logic and not going beyone what is written.

 

[Scribe]

Thanks crossnote. It is true that the term angel can also be used for those humans who are messengers from the other side. Good point. There are those Christians who are real ones and then there are those who are false ones. Can you find a scripture saying that angels are something other than humans or Christ?

Ps 8:4-5
4What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

5For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

 

[Scribe]

Two possibilities of daughter of corrupted mankind, or born of God

There is Biblical evidence to support the sons of God being messengers. The apostle Jesus as a Son of God was a messenger sent with words from the father. Study the word renown and how it is used 11 times .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Our citizenship is not of here. There is nothing in the Job account to exclude they were believers seeking the daily bread. And the spirit of lies was with them.(redeemed mankind ) just like he was with peter when Peter having the words of the father of lies on his lips rebuked the the Lord of glory. He fell from deceiving all the nations when the veil was rent. that they must become a Jew and get under the letter of the law Death . which without he had no power.

The letter of the law death will be tossed in the judgement fire of God along with the "sufferings of hell" (the wage of sin) . Death will not rise again and corrupt a entire creation . No more borrowed time is need.

Job 1: 6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, (not seen) and Satan (the spirit of lies) came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

In the case of the author of Job we have to consider this reference also:
Job 38
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Since in this passage God is asking Job where was he when at the time of creation (and man was not yet created) the sons of God shouted for joy, we concede that Job was most likely referring to the same thing when he used the phrase sons of god in Job 1.

However I do not agree that this must mean that Moses meant the same thing in Gen 6. In the case of Genesis and another author Moses we have the context of Gen 4:26 when Men Seths generation began to call themselves by the name of the Lord (people of God, children of God, sons of God) Calling themselves by the name of the Lord is the context that explains the phrase in Gen 6 which is why Moses assuming the reader retained that information from Gen 4 would not need an explanation.

 

[WithinReason]

Thanks crossnote. It is true that the term angel can also be used for those humans who are messengers from the other side. Good point. There are those Christians who are real ones and then there are those who are false ones. Can you find a scripture saying that angels are something other than humans or Christ?

This study may be of assistance to you:

https://ia801506.us.archive.org/7/items/michael-the-archangel-03-the-word-angel-as-defined-and-used/Michael the archangel [03] - The word angel as defined and used.pdf

Yes, there are 'angels' (that which is sent from or brings a message from God, whether positively or negtively) which are neither human, angelic host, or God.

Job 38:35 KJB - Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

Psalms 78:43 KJB - How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan:
Psalms 78:44 KJB - And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.
Psalms 78:45 KJB - He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
Psalms 78:46 KJB - He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
Psalms 78:47 KJB - He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
Psalms 78:48 KJB - He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
Psalms 78:49 KJB - He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
Psalms 78:50 KJB - He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

 

[Hungry]

Therefore you take the position that Jesus was NOT referring to anything specifically stated in Genesis concerning what they were doing in the days of Noah? That there is no one passage of scripture he was talking about? This seems unlikely based on the very use of the phrase "Days of Noah" which would cause most people to naturally look for it in the ONLY record we have of the Days of Noah, the scriptures themselves. (That my friend is indeed and example of LOGIC, and much more logical than the idea that Jesus was NOT referring to any scripture)



Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

Gen 11:29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife [was] Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah

Gen 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

Dt 24:5 “When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.”

There are many more examples proving that the phrase "took them wives" or "take a wife" does not mean rape or some kind of forcing as as been imagined by some who did not take the lexical syntactical rules of hermeneutics into account. There is no difference in what the sons of god did when they took these wives from the children of men in the Hebrew language than what Lamech, or Abraham did. It simply means they married, however that looked in the primitive custom of the time. (That is also Logic by the way, based on where the phrase is used in other scriptures by the SAME author in the SAME book, and quite superior logic to the suggestion of forced sex)



4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Actually "there were giants in the land in those days" is a stand alone statement that comes before the reference to the offspring. Using agreed upon reading comprehension skills of the order in which a subject is mention the more natural interpretation would be that these giants existed before the sons of god and daughters of men had offspring but that would not exclude further giants as the population continued and I do not see in the order of the sentences in the passage that the giants were a result of the union. Even if they were, as there is every reason to connect the "and also after that" with the reference to giants already mentioned and the offspring of the sons of god and daughters of men were mighty men, men of renown, a reference to a "rule by might" culture by both the giants and the offspring of the wicked union of those who departed from faith in the Living God. (That also is logic and faithfulness to the text without going beyond what is written)

Men who in there wickedness ruled in violence and brutality not because they were half angle but because they were WICKED men.

Side by side, I would label your interpretation has highly imaginative conjecture and mine as common sense reading comprehension, logic and not going beyone what is written.

Of course you agree with your logic. I am not using any imagination whatsoever. I’m reading exactly what it says. Is it imaginative to accept literally what is written? I think it’s comical. Are these mighty men wicked rulers who are “sons of God” from the line of Seth as some propose. Regardless, Jesus was referring to an event in Genesis, not marriage, utter destruction. He was talking about people not realizing they were on death’s doorstep. Read it
26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.31On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.

It has nothing to do with marriage. You seem too smart not to see this. Anyways, like I’ve already stated, I have no idea what happened. All I can say is that the verse in question does not emphatically rule out the possibility of hybrids. I think it’s interesting that many cultures record star people visiting and having children. Also Greek Mythology. I don’t claim either, I just don’t discount either.