Genesis 19:8 - Lot offering his daughters
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Like you, I also cannot understand how Lot would even make this choice. Considering the character of Lot, I find it difficult to accept that he would offer his daughters, with his approval, to a group of animals to do what ever they want.
When I see these words here ""and do ye to them as is good in your eyes", Lot knowing what the people were like in Sodom, does it sound logical that Lot would with his approval, hand over to this gang, his daughters to be gang raped or abused? I find this very difficult to accept. Now if he offered his daughters for the purpose of marriage, so the men can have a proper relationship, that I can accept.
When I see these words here ""and do ye to them as is good in your eyes", Lot knowing what the people were like in Sodom, does it sound logical that Lot would with his approval, hand over to this gang, his daughters to be gang raped or abused? I find this very difficult to accept. Now if he offered his daughters for the purpose of marriage, so the men can have a proper relationship, that I can accept.
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But being a righteous man, that does not explain this "and do ye to them as is good in your eyes ". Are you trying to say that Lot being righteous would of given his consent for the pack of animals concerned to do whatever they want? So the visitors are not to be touched, but as a alternative Lot would offer his daughters to be raped and abused? That does not make any sense.
This passage demonstrates how Lot was an honorable and good-hearted man. He was willing to even give his daughters to the mob to stop them from both being sodomites and to protect his guests (whom at this point in the story he does not realize they are angels, but thinks they are just passing strangers.) Nevertheless the unruly mob rejects Lot's goodness and presses in upon Lot and the angels reveal some of their power and the mob gets struck blind by God before their mighty and deserved destruction at the hands of the Lord.
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I would note that that episode was not Lot's idea for Lot was a righteous man. It was rather the idea of his daughters to get Lot drunk so that he would not recognize them, for they reasoned that they didn't want their father's lineage to be lost from the world. The result of this episode is two entire ancient races, the descendants of which still exist today, were begotten of this.
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GOD LOVED THESE PEOPLE& IT DON"T MATTER how we fill about them, you can say all the bad against them that you want to and it will not CHANGE how much GOD LOVE them, We have no more right to live then they did , The wages for my sins AND your sins is death, We best BE preying for people as they WHERE are now. including me, GOD loved them as well as us , And HE says that the ones that has done much ,LOVE HIM MORE, then the ones that HAS done Little. And the ones that have done very little ,HAS the same sentence , AS those that has done very much, And that is DEATH, Praise GOD for HIS mercy,
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This thread is heavy duty .. A ''lot'' to sort out .. Abraham was bargaining in earnest with God to save the city
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.
15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.
15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
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In reference to the Angelsat Sodom. Please refer to the parents'to-bve of Samson. When they had given up an offering to Yahweh it was consumed by fire and the Angel ascended with the fire to heaven.
They said, surely we are going to die for we have seen God. Read the story. Yahweh means God will be what He will be. He chooses how He manifests Hemself, yet He is eternally One, with no beginning and with no end...
They said, surely we are going to die for we have seen God. Read the story. Yahweh means God will be what He will be. He chooses how He manifests Hemself, yet He is eternally One, with no beginning and with no end...
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LOL Unbiblical hogwash
Why is that because it does not say here is a parable? Look for the understanding.
Are there parables in the Old testament? Are parables prophecy?
Of course they are both parables that reflect the same kind of strong delusion he sends. This is when a person does compare the unseen understanding to the same.
Don't be afraid it will not change the literal understanding.
It a sign to those rebel who know not Christ. Prophecy as parables are for those who believe.
We must compare the spiritual unseen meaning to the same. Or it becomes that does not make any sense. Where is the gospel understanding
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Why do you thinks the woman was cut up unto 12 pieces .To stump the forensic detectives?
Why did God use the two daughters in incest with their father to begin two new nations. For the Jerry Springer show ?
Did he send a strong delusion to them?
Why is that because it does not say here is a parable? Look for the understanding.
Are there parables in the Old testament? Are parables prophecy?
Of course they are both parables that reflect the same kind of strong delusion he sends. This is when a person does compare the unseen understanding to the same.
Don't be afraid it will not change the literal understanding.
It a sign to those rebel who know not Christ. Prophecy as parables are for those who believe.
We must compare the spiritual unseen meaning to the same. Or it becomes that does not make any sense. Where is the gospel understanding
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Why do you thinks the woman was cut up unto 12 pieces .To stump the forensic detectives?
Why did God use the two daughters in incest with their father to begin two new nations. For the Jerry Springer show ?
Did he send a strong delusion to them?
No; because it isn't a parable. Parables are a particular category of literature. There are other kinds of literature that have spiritual meanings. Parables are not historical events (at the time of writing) but do have a prophetic meaning. When you call everything a parable, you corrupt the meaning of the word.
That does not make sense. If you took a class in basic English, you might learn how to construct sentences that do make sense.
You keep posting this blather. It's wrong, and I have demonstrated many times from Scripture that it is wrong.
Further, by saying this, you directly imply that I "know not Christ". Again, you are wrong... stubbornly so.
It says very clearly that Jesus explained the meaning to His disciples. You ignore that part, and corrupt the whole idea of parables.
That does not make sense. If you took a class in basic English, you might learn how to construct sentences that do make sense.
You keep posting this blather. It's wrong, and I have demonstrated many times from Scripture that it is wrong.
Further, by saying this, you directly imply that I "know not Christ". Again, you are wrong... stubbornly so.
It says very clearly that Jesus explained the meaning to His disciples. You ignore that part, and corrupt the whole idea of parables.
See the text in red? I agree that Lot was offering his daughters under duress, as likely if the visitors were not angels, the sodomisers would have taken the visitors by force. And Lot was valuing his visitors more highly than his daughters. But Lot did offer his daughters willingly. Or have I misunderstood you?
And the Lord appeared unto him in the Plains of Mamre; and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day, and he lifted up his eyes and looked and lo, 3 men stood by him; and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground and said my Lord if now I have found favour in the sight, pass not away; I pray thee, from thy servant: let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; and I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort your heart after that Ye shall pass on; therefore are you come to your servant. and they said, so do as thou has said. And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said make ready quickly 3 measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Abraham ran into the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and sat it before them ;and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat .And they said unto him, where is Sarah the why and he said behold in the tent and he said I will certainly return into the according to the time of life and lo Sarah the wife ? And he said, behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son; and Sarah heard it in the tent door, Which was behind him, Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women, therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying after I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord been old also? And the Lord said unto Abraham wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying,Shall I of a surety bear a child ,which am old ?is any thing too hard for the LORD ? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life and Sarah shall have a son.
LOOK who is talking where it is under lined. And the LORD said, GOD bless as HE sees fit
LOOK who is talking where it is under lined. And the LORD said, GOD bless as HE sees fit