Genesis 1:1 What is your interpretation?

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Underwhosewings said:
Hebrews 9:9,11-12,14 KJV
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; [11] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; [12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

He said “touch me not” so that He could offer himself “without spot”
The blood of Christ is there on the mercy seat for us.
“by his own blood he entered”
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Excellent....ill even omit 2 physical ascensions and leave it as the witnessed one in scripture.
But surely he had to present himself before the examination of the thomas event.
 
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Deacon1964 said:
Mathematics does prove God's existence with mathematical formulas. The mandelbrot set proves this with its infinite progression. The universe has many formulas to prove that God is a God of order, not chaos. Look up the electron microscope animation of protein synthesis and you will see God in action. How does one molecule know when to stop or step over another? The universe is balanced on a "razor's edge" with mathematical formulas proving this. In its basic sense, God created time, space, energy, and matter.
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And the Atheist will simply ignore it all - given an infinite amount of time, and an infinite number of possibilities, they'll simply believe that it all "Just happened". HEY!! there's folks who believe the earth is flat, and that we've never been to the moon.
 
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Karlon said:
No one is born a homosexual or lesbian. it is true we all are born sinners. if someone doesn't believe that just watch a couple of babies play together. soon enough they are going to be hitting each other & stealing each others toys. No one taught them how to do that. someone BECOMES a lesbian or homosexual thru the devil's influence. the devil knows all of our weaknesses, generational sins & disobediences even who we baking in the womb.
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Aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic.
 
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jaybo said:
Aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic.
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According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it.
 
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Deacon1964 said:
According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it.
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Simply your opinion. Why is someone's sexuality so important to you?
 
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jaybo said:
Aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic.
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That would be the birth "sex" as in male and female.

You are using the word "gender" incorrectly.
 
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jaybo said:
Simply your opinion. Why is someone's sexuality so important to you?
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Actually, he's exactly right. If you take the time to research it carefully and remove bias, this is exactly what you will find.
 
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Deacon1964 said:
According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it.
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God sees it as a choice too - that's why He views homosexuality as sin. That's why he destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. That's why homosexual people if they don't repent of it will not inherit the Kingdom.
 
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HeIsHere said:
That would be the birth "sex" as in male and female.

You are using the word "gender" incorrectly.
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You are the one who is citing babies according to their behavior, not their biology. So "gender" is correct.
 
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jaybo said:
You are the one who is citing babies according to their behavior, not their biology. So "gender" is correct.
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Not according to the etymology of the word.

Biology determines the sex of the baby, not behaviour.
 
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jaybo said:
You are the one who is citing babies according to their behavior, not their biology. So "gender" is correct.
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This does not make sense by the way.
 
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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
We know that God has no beginning. Who or what existed before anything was created? It was the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God is the mind and power of God. God is everywhere and knows everything, even our thoughts and hearts. In our inferior physical minds we can only conclude that He is an essence with a mind and heart and permeates throughout our reality as well as outside in a spirit filled world or dimensions. For God there is no beginning. For us the beginning started when things started to get created out of nothing. That can only mean that all of creation and anything that exists consists from the essence of God. The mind and power of this essence is God the Father. Eph 4: 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. In the beginning started when out of this essence a thinking entity was formed through which everything else is created.Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him.Christ was the Son of God before He became human. His position at the Father's right hand means that the Father, through His Spirit, communicates His will to His Son and empowers Him to perform it.1 Cor 3: 23 And ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.This scripture explains that our relationship to Christ is similar to Christ's relationship to the Father. We belong to Christ because we receive His Spirit and become part of His spiritual body. Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and is part of the spiritual body of the Father ( His right hand). Since Christ belongs to the Father, we also belong to the Father and are part of His body. Both the Spirit of the Father and Son reside in those that are saved. We are so unworthy, but Christ makes us worthy. Praise the Lord. Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
 
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jaybo said:
That is simply your opinion.
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Actually it's not. It is what the research shows. My opinion is just one in a sea of billions. There is actual research that verifies these claims and it is easily accessible.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Not according to the etymology of the word.

Biology determines the sex of the baby, not behaviour.
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Of course biology determines the sex of the baby. Nobody denies that.

However, Deacon1964 wrote "According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it." So he is discussing sexuality in terms of behavior.
 
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jaybo said:
Of course biology determines the sex of the baby. Nobody denies that.

However, Deacon1964 wrote "According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it." So he is discussing sexuality in terms of behavior.
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This was not connected to my point.

Sexuality is expressed in behaviour. So he is correct.
 
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Cameron143 said:
The better question might be...does science support creation? The error of science isn't that it can't support the truth of the Bible but that it purposefully seeks to deny it. And to do so, it has to contradict in many cases its own previous conclusions.
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You’re awesome bro! 😎
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
We know that God has no beginning. Who or what existed before anything was created? It was the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God is the mind and power of God. God is everywhere and knows everything, even our thoughts and hearts. In our inferior physical minds we can only conclude that He is an essence with a mind and heart and permeates throughout our reality as well as outside in a spirit filled world or dimensions. For God there is no beginning. For us the beginning started when things started to get created out of nothing. That can only mean that all of creation and anything that exists consists from the essence of God. The mind and power of this essence is God the Father. Eph 4: 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. In the beginning started when out of this essence a thinking entity was formed through which everything else is created.Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him.Christ was the Son of God before He became human. His position at the Father's right hand means that the Father, through His Spirit, communicates His will to His Son and empowers Him to perform it.1 Cor 3: 23 And ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.This scripture explains that our relationship to Christ is similar to Christ's relationship to the Father. We belong to Christ because we receive His Spirit and become part of His spiritual body. Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and is part of the spiritual body of the Father ( His right hand). Since Christ belongs to the Father, we also belong to the Father and are part of His body. Both the Spirit of the Father and Son reside in those that are saved. We are so unworthy, but Christ makes us worthy. Praise the Lord. Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
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John 14 : 10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; but the Father, that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me for the very works sake. Since Christ belongs to the Father, we also belong to the Father and are part of His body. Both the Spirit of the Father and Son reside in those that are saved. We are so unworthy, but Christ makes us worthy. Praise the Lord. Matt 26: 39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. Matt 26: 39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me. From these verses we can see that the Father and the Son have different wills although the Son subjugates His will and obeys the Father's will. Christ is the God who is active in both the Old and New Testament and fulfills the Father's will.
Different wills= Different minds= Different entities.
 
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