Galatian Conundrums
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I do not word play
and you have filled us in on your 2 gospel dance routine
your accusations do not substantiate your lack of understanding and they do not add to the quality of your posts
as anyone here knows, I do post quite a bit of scripture and I did so at first but you refused to address any scripture I posted and actually referred to one such post as a rant because I drew attention to the points being made in the letter by Paul
I don't generally call people liars but you fit the bill quite nicely
if it were not for your silly ad hominum replies to most everyone, we would not even know you were still here
and you have filled us in on your 2 gospel dance routine
your accusations do not substantiate your lack of understanding and they do not add to the quality of your posts
as anyone here knows, I do post quite a bit of scripture and I did so at first but you refused to address any scripture I posted and actually referred to one such post as a rant because I drew attention to the points being made in the letter by Paul
I don't generally call people liars but you fit the bill quite nicely
if it were not for your silly ad hominum replies to most everyone, we would not even know you were still here
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in fact, here is the post from some time back now, but in this op, where in a good portion of scripture from Galatinas was quoted and you called it a rant
as I said, you seem to have a problem with the truth...as in you do not have respect for it
7seasrekeyed, post: 4021891, member: 260610"]6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
see? Paul says JUST ONE GOSPEL AND WONDERS WHAT HAS POSSESSED THE GALATIANS TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM IT
JUST ONE
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
again, Paul states the gospel is perverted ...the gospel of Christ is perverted when you add to it!
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
want to have your salvation revoked? want to be accursed? preach something different than THE ONE AND ONLY GOSPEL OF CHRIST
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
gee Paul must think this one gospel thing is pretty important cause he keeps repeating himself and uses the word accursed again...which means cut off from God...no more salvation...close the curtain...you are in darkness....you go to hell
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Paul says he is a servant of Christ and does not serve men
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Paul preaches Christ...ONE GOSPEL. the law is NOT the gospel and Paul ain't preaching it
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
open the Bible and read Galatians. it was written for the sole purpose of denying any other gospel save the gospel of Christ
I mean it's as plain as anyone could ever have made it
as I said, you seem to have a problem with the truth...as in you do not have respect for it
7seasrekeyed, post: 4021891, member: 260610"]6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
see? Paul says JUST ONE GOSPEL AND WONDERS WHAT HAS POSSESSED THE GALATIANS TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM IT
JUST ONE
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
again, Paul states the gospel is perverted ...the gospel of Christ is perverted when you add to it!
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
want to have your salvation revoked? want to be accursed? preach something different than THE ONE AND ONLY GOSPEL OF CHRIST
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
gee Paul must think this one gospel thing is pretty important cause he keeps repeating himself and uses the word accursed again...which means cut off from God...no more salvation...close the curtain...you are in darkness....you go to hell
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Paul says he is a servant of Christ and does not serve men
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Paul preaches Christ...ONE GOSPEL. the law is NOT the gospel and Paul ain't preaching it
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
open the Bible and read Galatians. it was written for the sole purpose of denying any other gospel save the gospel of Christ
I mean it's as plain as anyone could ever have made it
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(haven't read much of this thread at all. jez started with the OP, then to the last page, and back tracked to here...
)I'll give it a shot!
Jesus' "Gospel" was to the Jews, concerning being "born again of the Spirit", and inheriting the Kingdom of God. To which the Jews had direct access TO! But, there was one "catch!"
They didn't BELIEVE Jesus when He told them that He was from the Father. They didn't believe that God had sent him! Had they believed, and got back on track? They would have still had "direct access" to the Father, in and continued onward in their "inheriting", the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Heaven.
Leaving us poor gentiles to our fates!
Paul's "Gospel" for us gentiles, was as "Jesus as "mediator TO His Father!" A "thing" the Jews didn't require at that time! And STILL don't! And WON'T!
Why? You ask?
Because STILL, at this present time? They STILL don't believe that Jesus was SENT from the Father!
There is NOTHING "Christendom" has accomplished in 2,000 PLUS years, that is giving them cause to scratch their heads and say amongst themselves, "Wow!" "We have to consider that this Jesus of Nazareth, was who he said He was!" "SENT by OUR God!" "Maybe we should "change our ways", and LISTEN to what He was trying to "teach" us!"
So, as long as "christians" keep BOASTING "against the branches", just as Israel was BOASTING "against the ROOT?"
More then likely, BOTH shall be "cut off!"
I believe there's LOT TO be considered concerning what "Fullness of the Gentiles" truly entails!
hint: It means MUCH more then "saved by grace through faith."
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Ok, thx for taking the time to repost. At the time you put this up I was tired and annoyed by the unreasonable remarks in the deluge of trashy messages several members of this board were putting up. There was no effort to engage in what could have an interesting back and forth discussion.
This passage here illustrates my point. I`m a big fan of the epistles and have put more work into studying them then any other part of the Bible. If you took the time to read my original posts you would see that I acknowledged the one everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6) before I even began discussing the two gospel concept seen in Galatians and a few other places.
In a reasonable discussion I would have quickly come out and said the difference is the lifestyle of the Jewish churches vs lifestyle in Gentile churches and both are saved by faith in the same way.
All these claims that the Jewish churches of the 12 didn`t continue in the Law of Moses is just unreasonable. If you were a Jew in those days you did the Moses thing, you lived in a Theocracy, you would be ostracized if not killed if you abandoned it.
The scriptures I posted should have been enough to settle the argument and I had plenty more because Paul had quite a bit to say about the circumcision crowd. But I have no reason to put them up since you guys would just rant some more.
It`s naive and it isn`t historical for you to think that you disproved what I was trying to tell you. The facts both Biblical and historical back me up not you.
This passage here illustrates my point. I`m a big fan of the epistles and have put more work into studying them then any other part of the Bible. If you took the time to read my original posts you would see that I acknowledged the one everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6) before I even began discussing the two gospel concept seen in Galatians and a few other places.
In a reasonable discussion I would have quickly come out and said the difference is the lifestyle of the Jewish churches vs lifestyle in Gentile churches and both are saved by faith in the same way.
All these claims that the Jewish churches of the 12 didn`t continue in the Law of Moses is just unreasonable. If you were a Jew in those days you did the Moses thing, you lived in a Theocracy, you would be ostracized if not killed if you abandoned it.
The scriptures I posted should have been enough to settle the argument and I had plenty more because Paul had quite a bit to say about the circumcision crowd. But I have no reason to put them up since you guys would just rant some more.
It`s naive and it isn`t historical for you to think that you disproved what I was trying to tell you. The facts both Biblical and historical back me up not you.
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(haven't read much of this thread at all. jez started with the OP, then to the last page, and back tracked to here...)
I'll give it a shot!
Jesus' "Gospel" was to the Jews, concerning being "born again of the Spirit", and inheriting the Kingdom of God. To which the Jews had direct access TO! But, there was one "catch!"
They didn't BELIEVE Jesus when He told them that He was from the Father. They didn't believe that God had sent him! Had they believed, and got back on track? They would have still had "direct access" to the Father, in and continued onward in their "inheriting", the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Heaven.
Leaving us poor gentiles to our fates!
Paul's "Gospel" for us gentiles, was as "Jesus as "mediator TO His Father!" A "thing" the Jews didn't require at that time! And STILL don't! And WON'T!
Why? You ask?
Because STILL, at this present time? They STILL don't believe that Jesus was SENT from the Father!
There is NOTHING "Christendom" has accomplished in 2,000 PLUS years, that is giving them cause to scratch their heads and say amongst themselves, "Wow!" "We have to consider that this Jesus of Nazareth, was who he said He was!" "SENT by OUR God!" "Maybe we should "change our ways", and LISTEN to what He was trying to "teach" us!"
So, as long as "christians" keep BOASTING "against the branches", just as Israel was BOASTING "against the ROOT?"
More then likely, BOTH shall be "cut off!"
I believe there's LOT TO be considered concerning what "Fullness of the Gentiles" truly entails!
hint: It means MUCH more then "saved by grace through faith."
)I'll give it a shot!
Jesus' "Gospel" was to the Jews, concerning being "born again of the Spirit", and inheriting the Kingdom of God. To which the Jews had direct access TO! But, there was one "catch!"
They didn't BELIEVE Jesus when He told them that He was from the Father. They didn't believe that God had sent him! Had they believed, and got back on track? They would have still had "direct access" to the Father, in and continued onward in their "inheriting", the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Heaven.
Leaving us poor gentiles to our fates!
Paul's "Gospel" for us gentiles, was as "Jesus as "mediator TO His Father!" A "thing" the Jews didn't require at that time! And STILL don't! And WON'T!
Why? You ask?
Because STILL, at this present time? They STILL don't believe that Jesus was SENT from the Father!
There is NOTHING "Christendom" has accomplished in 2,000 PLUS years, that is giving them cause to scratch their heads and say amongst themselves, "Wow!" "We have to consider that this Jesus of Nazareth, was who he said He was!" "SENT by OUR God!" "Maybe we should "change our ways", and LISTEN to what He was trying to "teach" us!"
So, as long as "christians" keep BOASTING "against the branches", just as Israel was BOASTING "against the ROOT?"
More then likely, BOTH shall be "cut off!"
I believe there's LOT TO be considered concerning what "Fullness of the Gentiles" truly entails!
hint: It means MUCH more then "saved by grace through faith."
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
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I'm glad that I was able to offer some clarity to the situation.
Apart from my wife it would be rare for me to talk scripture with a lady. My Yahoo days it was almost all men and my Bible studies are a men only club. If I were going to be here long term I would try to adjust a bit. She was trying to be pretty rough though
Ok, I didn`t know she was a she. That explains some of it
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to believe there are 2 viable gospels is to be accursed. Galatians 1.
God doesn't bless that. God's blessing is essential for salvation.
i hope you are able to work this out with Him
God doesn't bless that. God's blessing is essential for salvation.
i hope you are able to work this out with Him
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded:
and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
(Philippians 3:15)
and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
(Philippians 3:15)
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