Forgiveness in The kingdom

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Magenta

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#41
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath
sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the
blind,
To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Luke 4:18-19
:)
 

homwardbound

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#42
a what do you do with the things Jesus the lord and judge of all said about all these things though ? Do we just reject what God said will save and forgive us ? Deny what he said about not forgiving and then tell everyone another story ?

Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-


““Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.””
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭NIV‬‬


““You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.””
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Brother when you talk about this

“no more creating or working to get or be better than anyone else. God has no respect of persons, none.”

You are literally teaching the opposite of what that verse is saying

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God doesn’t show favoritism to any man everyone has to do this

“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:9-10‬ ‭

what a Christian wants to do is believe what the judge said will save them that day when they have to do that , remember what he said about that day ?

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. “

if we have to be judged by our deeds and we do , we want to have mercy that day so we don’t be condemned

Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭NIV‬‬

that can save us but we are required to believe the lords word about it because

“He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.

He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭NIV‬‬
I read from this post, you are still under Law, works to be saved, using those scriptures.
that is just what I hear you saying, you are under Law.
okay, so elated you believe God, and are not in rest
Hebrews,4. Whole chapter, especially 4:9-13 of Hebrews
i am at rest in the done work of Son. Where true work of God is done. Sabbath rest is 24/7, except when I get in the way as have in past. Seeing not to anymore, standing in trust to God Father of risen Jesus for me.
therefore,Luke 21:14-15 takes the lead.
it is good to go after what you talked about Gal 6 says much about this
love from God to you. We see different for now, about what resting is in the risen savior. I came to the end of the energy of my first born flesh. Seeing I can’t do it. Then saw it, God did it in my stead, and the entire world to rest in the being born again by God. Then true work of God gets done.Son won at that cross, proven in as risen for us to rest in and love all as are loved.
you said
thanks
 

Lafftur

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#43
Forgiveness is amazingly wonderful and sooooo freeing and life giving!!! :love:

One does need wisdom to not stay and suffer in an abusive life threatening situation but, in regards to normal typical offenses, forgiving is well worth doing!!

I’ve learned to seal my decision to forgive with an act of kindness- a kind word, gift, or prayer for the offender.

I do NOT try to be their best friend, I just simply remove all bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness from my heart towards them.
Just a follow to explain HOW I remove all bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness from my heart towards an offender…

I choose on purpose to STOP thinking and talking about the offense so that I STOP passing judgment on the offender.

Instead of judgmental critical thoughts, I choose to focus on how much the person desperately needs Jesus Christ to be REAL in their lives…. which leads me to pray for them and their relationship with Jesus Christ.

Lastly, I seal it with an act of kindness.
 

homwardbound

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#44
Just a follow to explain HOW I remove all bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness from my heart towards an offender…

I choose on purpose to STOP thinking and talking about the offense so that I STOP passing judgment on the offender.

Instead of judgmental critical thoughts, I choose to focus on how much the person desperately needs Jesus Christ to be REAL in their lives…. which leads me to pray for them and their relationship with Jesus Christ.

Lastly, I seal it with an act of kindness.
Amen, I see to forgive, because I am forgiven, which does not mean I have to be around them
I see as the computer is made
GIGO
garbage in / garbage out
focus on whatever is good, correct, truth
therefore, I am learning, learned to not focus on bad thinking, I call it “stinking thinking“ and that has never turned out good.
‘just like when Jesus asked “will worry“ add any moment to your life (Matt 6)? I saw worry, steals, kills and destroys my freedom to love as God loves us all. Proven in the cross of Son, who, went there without fighting back. Amazing grace this truly is. To respond in thanksgiving and praise. He is risen , where the new life begins, that old one, now as dead Romans 6
thanks to God, for the view you got given you by God
 

Pilgrimshope

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#45
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the light begins to shine

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we face judgement we can have mercy , forgiveness , no condemnation if we don’t condemn and hold grudges and judge everyone as if we aren’t the same and in the same boat mercy has won the day not only to us , but from us as well
 

homwardbound

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#46
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the light begins to shine

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we face judgement we can have mercy , forgiveness , no condemnation if we don’t condemn and hold grudges and judge everyone as if we aren’t the same and in the same boat mercy has won the day not only to us , but from us as well
‘by chance, in your posted scriptures to not judge, to forgive and you will not be judged or forgiven unless you forgive. Are you hiding? You post that a lot, to not be judged, do you need to be judged? Does the light need to shine on you, exposing you?
I love your posts, yet i am getting condemnation out of them from you. Unless you do this and or that, you not, in and God will get you.
when I read Magenta’s post clearly
Truly truly, he/she who believes, God frees, this be in the done work of Son for reconciliation. Then one receives the risen life of Son to be new, as born again by God Father of risen Son. Where one does not sin any longer, and remains humble in this truth given them.
yet we have people putting people under Law, not in grace given. Mixing Law and grace. Is like trying to mix oil and water. Water and oil do not mix naturally. please if you see this truth, remove the hammer, under Law?
if not, okay, elated you believe, and are growing in grace also.God knows all, I will rest in that and trust in God’s mysteriou ways
 

Pilgrimshope

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#47
‘by chance, in your posted scriptures to not judge, to forgive and you will not be judged or forgiven unless you forgive. Are you hiding? You post that a lot, to not be judged, do you need to be judged? Does the light need to shine on you, exposing you?
I love your posts, yet i am getting condemnation out of them from you. Unless you do this and or that, you not, in and God will get you.
when I read Magenta’s post clearly
Truly truly, he/she who believes, God frees, this be in the done work of Son for reconciliation. Then one receives the risen life of Son to be new, as born again by God Father of risen Son. Where one does not sin any longer, and remains humble in this truth given them.
yet we have people putting people under Law, not in grace given. Mixing Law and grace. Is like trying to mix oil and water. Water and oil do not mix naturally. please if you see this truth, remove the hammer, under Law?
if not, okay, elated you believe, and are growing in grace also.God knows all, I will rest in that and trust in God’s mysteriou ways
“by chance, in your posted scriptures to not judge, to forgive and you will not be judged or forgiven unless you forgive. Are you hiding?”

im hiding because i accept what the lord of creation taught and said will be my judgement ?

It’s odd to me how many different ways Christian’s invent to avoid what Christ said about things like forgivness who is going to argue with the Lord about it ?

Not me I’m a believer in Jesus

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can , I guess say that I’m “hiding “because I accept his words and judgements but I’d say it’s the opposite.


faith isn’t when we do backflips to avoid the words of the judge

“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

homwardbound

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#48
“by chance, in your posted scriptures to not judge, to forgive and you will not be judged or forgiven unless you forgive. Are you hiding?”

im hiding because i accept what the lord of creation taught and said will be my judgement ?

It’s odd to me how many different ways Christian’s invent to avoid what Christ said about things like forgivness who is going to argue with the Lord about it ?

Not me I’m a believer in Jesus

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can , I guess say that I’m “hiding “because I accept his words and judgements but I’d say it’s the opposite.


faith isn’t when we do backflips to avoid the words of the judge

“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Repent is to turn from first birth and believe God in risen Son, for me. I believe and God has taken me in as his child, many others also. By belief, one learns from mistakes to do right in trust for God to lead. Me willingly, otherwise I am not in and trying to work it out as no first birth flesh can please God, except the Son that did it for me and everyone else in reconciliation. I am glad you believe, hoping you are growing up in this love and mercy given you too. Hebrews 5:12 through Chapter 6
i do not see you at rest in the done work of Son. Hoping you are and if not trusting you will be. Hoping for me too, God knows us all, motives and all< I depend on that alone.
thanks for being honest
 

Pilgrimshope

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#49
I read from this post, you are still under Law, works to be saved, using those scriptures.
that is just what I hear you saying, you are under Law.
okay, so elated you believe God, and are not in rest
Hebrews,4. Whole chapter, especially 4:9-13 of Hebrews
i am at rest in the done work of Son. Where true work of God is done. Sabbath rest is 24/7, except when I get in the way as have in past. Seeing not to anymore, standing in trust to God Father of risen Jesus for me.
therefore,Luke 21:14-15 takes the lead.
it is good to go after what you talked about Gal 6 says much about this
love from God to you. We see different for now, about what resting is in the risen savior. I came to the end of the energy of my first born flesh. Seeing I can’t do it. Then saw it, God did it in my stead, and the entire world to rest in the being born again by God. Then true work of God gets done.Son won at that cross, proven in as risen for us to rest in and love all as are loved.
you said
thanks
“I read from this post, you are still under Law, works to be saved, using those scriptures.
that is just what I hear you saying, you are under Law.”

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

you must not be able to hear very well

I’m a Christian , I believe the gospel


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Who’s going to reject the word of life ???? Not me
 

Pilgrimshope

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#50
Repent is to turn from first birth and believe God in risen Son, for me. I believe and God has taken me in as his child, many others also. By belief, one learns from mistakes to do right in trust for God to lead. Me willingly, otherwise I am not in and trying to work it out as no first birth flesh can please God, except the Son that did it for me and everyone else in reconciliation. I am glad you believe, hoping you are growing up in this love and mercy given you too. Hebrews 5:12 through Chapter 6
i do not see you at rest in the done work of Son. Hoping you are and if not trusting you will be. Hoping for me too, God knows us all, motives and all< I depend on that alone.
thanks for being honest
“Repent is to turn from first birth and believe God in risen Son, for me. I believe and God has taken me in as his child, many others also”

tey to read these scriptures

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

being “ born again “ means you accept the gospel of Jesus Christ our lord that God sent into the world to save sinners. So I don’t disagree with you if you have accepted Jesus Christ as the gospel presents him you’ve been born again

Being born however isn’t the end it’s the beginning. Just like in life when you are born your parent coddles you does everything for you later he begins to teach you as a child and you begin to take on responsabilities of a child . You grow into a young adult and all the while your learning , yes making mistakes for sure , but learning and repenting when you do

my point to you and everyone else is if you are born of God His words that he preached in the everlasting gospel found in Matthew mark Luke and John those are the words of God promising everything the gospel offers his own promises in his own words

if we can’t accept the gospel we are only fooling ourselves . Brother I don’t know honestly if you even understand what I’m saying sometimes . Which , I wouldn’t blame you I’m not great at communication .

Simply put every one of us has to face the judgement of Christ it’s in nearly every book in scripture . When we do face the lord he has told us what his judgements are . It comes down to whether we’re going to accept the lord Jesus and take him at his word of truth and life or if we are going to reject his words in the gospel and tell everyone that’s not the way ?


The gospel is the only way to receive the things he promised believers
 

homwardbound

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#51
“I read from this post, you are still under Law, works to be saved, using those scriptures.
that is just what I hear you saying, you are under Law.”

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

you must not be able to hear very well

I’m a Christian , I believe the gospel


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Who’s going to reject the word of life ???? Not me
‘I guess not, love to all, in Gods mercy and truth. Always seek to help and be honest, thank you
 

homwardbound

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#52
“Repent is to turn from first birth and believe God in risen Son, for me. I believe and God has taken me in as his child, many others also”

tey to read these scriptures

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

being “ born again “ means you accept the gospel of Jesus Christ our lord that God sent into the world to save sinners. So I don’t disagree with you if you have accepted Jesus Christ as the gospel presents him you’ve been born again

Being born however isn’t the end it’s the beginning. Just like in life when you are born your parent coddles you does everything for you later he begins to teach you as a child and you begin to take on responsabilities of a child . You grow into a young adult and all the while your learning , yes making mistakes for sure , but learning and repenting when you do

my point to you and everyone else is if you are born of God His words that he preached in the everlasting gospel found in Matthew mark Luke and John those are the words of God promising everything the gospel offers his own promises in his own words

if we can’t accept the gospel we are only fooling ourselves . Brother I don’t know honestly if you even understand what I’m saying sometimes . Which , I wouldn’t blame you I’m not great at communication .

Simply put every one of us has to face the judgement of Christ it’s in nearly every book in scripture . When we do face the lord he has told us what his judgements are . It comes down to whether we’re going to accept the lord Jesus and take him at his word of truth and life or if we are going to reject his words in the gospel and tell everyone that’s not the way ?


The gospel is the only way to receive the things he promised believers
‘agreed, yet, do you see
no fear. I might be not be communicating well either.
i do believe you believe. I hear that loud and clear from Father in Spirit and truth.
i am only admonishing you, in God’s perfect love casts out fear.
is that casted out from you yet?
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
on your way, to sanctification, justified in belief. Being taught new, the whole truth, nothing but the truth from God Father and Son as won (One) for you to be one with them. No more fear, as all that old man is getting washed off in belief, it is done by Son for you.
‘might be time to finalize, by God in Son you forgiven, reconciled, which enables you to walk new, not of the flesh nature anymore
i am standing in trust for you to get it from God to you
no more fear. Especially the fear of “if I let go” I will be left to uncontrolled circumstance. I am doing pretty good, then not, then am, then not then am.
a roller coaster ride. That is of the flesh, first birth born with the knowledge of good and evil, that flesh, ( the first born person, plays God and decides for themselves what is right and wrong.
‘see this please
go to the edge of a cliff, look over it and jump. No way, yeah, no way.
if God told you to jump, would you? Do you think you doing pretty well on your own with Gods help?
God says jump!
when you realize, God will catch you in the palm of God’s hand. Then you have no more worries, fears. Now hearing God over self and others here in this world.
God does just love us all, that deep, wide and high
when you see this truth, then you will truly be new in God leading you over you and others, that have got you in their grasp, to see as they say they see.
i am not saying i see, i am nobody, as no one else is either. God, the Father of the risen Son to this day is the only one good.
choose to share, not go out and scare
do you still have fear
1 John 4:18
 

Pilgrimshope

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#53
‘I guess not, love to all, in Gods mercy and truth. Always seek to help and be honest, thank you
No don’t re invent things on scripture to make them sound welcoming that doesn’t work the truth as he presented it works his will

god is going to honor what Jesus said about everything .telling everyone your saves forget about what Jesus the savior said about being saved in his kingdom . Telling people what I think sounds nice for them isn’t going to give them the truth th at gives them the strength to do this

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t want to tell those folks they’re free and clear and saved it’s not the truth and isn’t going to help . What helps people is the gospel things like this said by the one we believe in

“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s a conundrum to call Jesus my lord and reject his words to me . It’s showing the insincerity of my claim
 

homwardbound

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“Repent is to turn from first birth and believe God in risen Son, for me. I believe and God has taken me in as his child, many others also”

tey to read these scriptures

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

being “ born again “ means you accept the gospel of Jesus Christ our lord that God sent into the world to save sinners. So I don’t disagree with you if you have accepted Jesus Christ as the gospel presents him you’ve been born again

Being born however isn’t the end it’s the beginning. Just like in life when you are born your parent coddles you does everything for you later he begins to teach you as a child and you begin to take on responsabilities of a child . You grow into a young adult and all the while your learning , yes making mistakes for sure , but learning and repenting when you do

my point to you and everyone else is if you are born of God His words that he preached in the everlasting gospel found in Matthew mark Luke and John those are the words of God promising everything the gospel offers his own promises in his own words

if we can’t accept the gospel we are only fooling ourselves . Brother I don’t know honestly if you even understand what I’m saying sometimes . Which , I wouldn’t blame you I’m not great at communication .

Simply put every one of us has to face the judgement of Christ it’s in nearly every book in scripture . When we do face the lord he has told us what his judgements are . It comes down to whether we’re going to accept the lord Jesus and take him at his word of truth and life or if we are going to reject his words in the gospel and tell everyone that’s not the way ?


The gospel is the only way to receive the things he promised believers

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Christian theology, metanoia (from the Greek μετάνοια, metanoia, changing one's mind) is often translated as "conversion" or "repentance," though most scholars agree that this second translation does a disservice to the original Greek meaning of metanoia. In Ancient Greece, this term originally meant “a transformative change of heart; especially: a spiritual conversion," a definition provided by the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.[1]
In Christianity, the Greek philosophical concept of metanoia has become linked with Christian prayer, in which a prostration is called a metanoia, with "the spiritual condition of one's soul being expressed through the physical movement of falling facedown before the Lord" as seen in the biblical passages of Matthew 2:11, Luke 5:12, and Luke 17:15–16.[2] In this context, the term suggests repudiation, change of mind, repentance, and atonement.[3]
 

homwardbound

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#55
No don’t re invent things on scripture to make them sound welcoming that doesn’t work the truth as he presented it works his will

god is going to honor what Jesus said about everything .telling everyone your saves forget about what Jesus the savior said about being saved in his kingdom . Telling people what I think sounds nice for them isn’t going to give them the truth th at gives them the strength to do this

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t want to tell those folks they’re free and clear and saved it’s not the truth and isn’t going to help . What helps people is the gospel things like this said by the one we believe in

“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s a conundrum to call Jesus my lord and reject his words to me . It’s showing the insincerity of my claim
thank you, be blessed, only hear to learn and help growth. We are not seeing eye to eye, okay, love you and judge how you will, not ever meant to harm you
 

Pilgrimshope

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#56
‘agreed, yet, do you see
no fear. I might be not be communicating well either.
i do believe you believe. I hear that loud and clear from Father in Spirit and truth.
i am only admonishing you, in God’s perfect love casts out fear.
is that casted out from you yet?
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
on your way, to sanctification, justified in belief. Being taught new, the whole truth, nothing but the truth from God Father and Son as won (One) for you to be one with them. No more fear, as all that old man is getting washed off in belief, it is done by Son for you.
‘might be time to finalize, by God in Son you forgiven, reconciled, which enables you to walk new, not of the flesh nature anymore
i am standing in trust for you to get it from God to you
no more fear. Especially the fear of “if I let go” I will be left to uncontrolled circumstance. I am doing pretty good, then not, then am, then not then am.
a roller coaster ride. That is of the flesh, first birth born with the knowledge of good and evil, that flesh, ( the first born person, plays God and decides for themselves what is right and wrong.
‘see this please
go to the edge of a cliff, look over it and jump. No way, yeah, no way.
if God told you to jump, would you? Do you think you doing pretty well on your own with Gods help?
God says jump!
when you realize, God will catch you in the palm of God’s hand. Then you have no more worries, fears. Now hearing God over self and others here in this world.
God does just love us all, that deep, wide and high
when you see this truth, then you will truly be new in God leading you over you and others, that have got you in their grasp, to see as they say they see.
i am not saying i see, i am nobody, as no one else is either. God, the Father of the risen Son to this day is the only one good.
choose to share, not go out and scare
do you still have fear
1 John 4:18
“agreed, yet, do you see
no fear. “

its pretty foolish not to fear God look at the church when it began

“And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; and sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:43-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Yes brother I fear God immensely and also I know the terror coming on those who reject him and face thier judgement that’s why I don’t pretend it’s not true

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would be in error to pretend I don’t know this and tell people it’s not true .

i feel your probably referring to this

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It what I would say is read the rest of what he’s saying

We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

keep reading he isn’t finished

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The fear of God should press a person into Christ and the gospel because it’s full of grace and truth to save sinners and bring them To obedience and life
 

Pilgrimshope

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#57
‘agreed, yet, do you see
no fear. I might be not be communicating well either.
i do believe you believe. I hear that loud and clear from Father in Spirit and truth.
i am only admonishing you, in God’s perfect love casts out fear.
is that casted out from you yet?
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
on your way, to sanctification, justified in belief. Being taught new, the whole truth, nothing but the truth from God Father and Son as won (One) for you to be one with them. No more fear, as all that old man is getting washed off in belief, it is done by Son for you.
‘might be time to finalize, by God in Son you forgiven, reconciled, which enables you to walk new, not of the flesh nature anymore
i am standing in trust for you to get it from God to you
no more fear. Especially the fear of “if I let go” I will be left to uncontrolled circumstance. I am doing pretty good, then not, then am, then not then am.
a roller coaster ride. That is of the flesh, first birth born with the knowledge of good and evil, that flesh, ( the first born person, plays God and decides for themselves what is right and wrong.
‘see this please
go to the edge of a cliff, look over it and jump. No way, yeah, no way.
if God told you to jump, would you? Do you think you doing pretty well on your own with Gods help?
God says jump!
when you realize, God will catch you in the palm of God’s hand. Then you have no more worries, fears. Now hearing God over self and others here in this world.
God does just love us all, that deep, wide and high
when you see this truth, then you will truly be new in God leading you over you and others, that have got you in their grasp, to see as they say they see.
i am not saying i see, i am nobody, as no one else is either. God, the Father of the risen Son to this day is the only one good.
choose to share, not go out and scare
do you still have fear
1 John 4:18
Yea I also have a hard time completely understanding what you are saying it’s not your fault I’m not that bright haha
 

homwardbound

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#58
“agreed, yet, do you see
no fear. “

its pretty foolish not to fear God look at the church when it began

“And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; and sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:43-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Yes brother I fear God immensely and also I know the terror coming on those who reject him and face thier judgement that’s why I don’t pretend it’s not true

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would be in error to pretend I don’t know this and tell people it’s not true .

i feel your probably referring to this

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It what I would say is read the rest of what he’s saying

We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

keep reading he isn’t finished

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The fear of God should press a person into Christ and the gospel because it’s full of grace and truth to save sinners and bring them To obedience and life
commandment is Love, 1 Cor 13;4-7. Which has to be imputed to us, in us and then that works through us. Us, we not doing any of the work anymore. God does God’s done work of Son through us. We can rest medicine, being in trust to God alone, thanks to Sons done work, in his risen life, Jesus leads not us, at least me.
you’ll get it as you continue to believe God in all things. God will reveal it, thanks
 

Pilgrimshope

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From the bible ….step into the light brother

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light

from the darkness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Mankind fell into sin and death darkness and had no light

Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. …The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us. For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;

And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:

and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:1-2, 8-12, 14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:2, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. ….Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, (repentance ) and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

repentance and also forgivness of sins just because they come to him and hear his words and their souls shall live.

Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…… he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness;

and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. …But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And a light unto my path.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:105‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see why people try to stay away from Jesus teachings ? Because it calls us to stop sinning and feeling alright about calls us to do what’s right in Gods eyes . If we’re liking our sinful lives , we don’t want to be exposed by the light of what he actually preached and taught in the gospel.

look what it does to our self righteousness when we listen to Jesus preaching and teaching the people who listened to him

It’s a moral system of how to behave in real life. It’s Jesus the son of God teaching believers about his eternal kingdom.

It’s meant to reshape how we think about God , ourselves and what happens when we pass away , meant to change how we perceive live and act in this world.

it’s about being one of Jesus disciples all of us are imperfect ones but that’s the reason he died for us . listening to the things the lord said will save us and accepting also the things we must repent of he’s trying to give us the knowledge of salvation and life , we can’t hear him if we don’t step into the light

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Pilgrimshope

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#60
commandment is Love, 1 Cor 13;4-7. Which has to be imputed to us, in us and then that works through us. Us, we not doing any of the work anymore. God does God’s done work of Son through us. We can rest medicine, being in trust to God alone, thanks to Sons done work, in his risen life, Jesus leads not us, at least me.
you’ll get it as you continue to believe God in all things. God will reveal it, thanks
Yes Jesus taught believers how to love each other it requires our actions if I am stealing from you I’m not acting in love so it’s sin. ( that shalt not steal ) If I am trying to kill you im not acting in love so it’s sin ( thou shalt not kill )

love obeys the things God taught us

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:

and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬