Ferguson's Paradox and the Trinity

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OH JohnDB, this post got me started and where it goes who knows. A couple more natural 4's>>>>DNA.....A..C....T...G....

Thermodynamics

There are four laws of thermodynamics. They talk about temperature, heat, work, and entropy. They are used in thermodynamics and other sciences, for example chemistry.
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Group 14 (IV) (carbon group)
Interesting that life is based on carbon which has 4 electrons in what is called the Valence shell.
 
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God set the stars in the heaven for signs of the appointed feasts. Satan corrupts this with "astrology". Still, fact is that the stars, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses and asteroids are given as signs. This is told us repeatedly and consistently throughout both the Old and New Testaments. Why the big attack? Satan doesn't want us to know the times, that is not hypothetical, we are told in Daniel that this is the case.
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers


Genesis 1:14 ►
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Let them be for signs—i.e., marks, means of knowing. This may be taken as qualifying what follows, and would then mean, Let them be means for distinguishing seasons, days, and years; but more probably it refers to the signs of the zodiac, which anciently played so important a part, not merely in astronomy, but in matters of daily life.
 
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Interesting that Genesis 1:14 to 1:19 is the 4th day of creation.
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
14. Let there be lights] The word rendered “lights” (LXX φωστῆρες: Lat. luminaria) denotes a thing, or body, carrying light; cf. Psalm 74:16, “The day is thine, the night also is thine: Thou hast prepared the light (Heb. luminary) and the sun”; Ezekiel 32:8, “All the bright lights of heaven.”

It has seemed strange to some that the creation of the heavenly bodies should follow after that of the vegetable world, whose life, according to our notions, is dependent on the light of the sun. But, beside the artificial arrangement (according to which the creation of “the lights” of the sky on the fourth day corresponds to the creation of “the light” on the first day), it is probable that, in the ascending scale from vegetable organisms to animal life, the “lights,” i.e. the sun, moon, and stars, with their mysterious movements and changing, yet ordered, paths in the sky, seemed to be endowed with a vital activity, which, if inferior to that of the animals, yet was far surpassing that of the plants.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

I imagine someone has this all figured out.
 
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This marriage between the symbolic and the physical found its pinnacle in the creation of the Tabernacle.
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Indeed. It all has to do with the Kingdom of God Within. The Microcosm of Life. Human Anatomy, Biology, etc.

The Tabernacles and Temples are scale models of Eukaryotic Cells.
 
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Group 14 (IV) (carbon group)
Interesting that life is based on carbon which has 4 electrons in what is called the Valence shell.
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Six Neutrons, Six Protons, Six Electrons = 666.

The Mark of the Beast has to do with Carbon.

Ezekiel was given a 'Diamond' on his forehead. Diamonds are 666...

Ezekiel 3:9 (Berean Standard Bible) - "I will make your forehead like a diamond, harder than flint. Do not be afraid of them or dismayed at their presence, even though they are a rebellious house.”

Beginning with the Wheels representing Nitrogen, the Vision expands into Carbon and the Mark of the Beast.
 
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Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

I imagine someone has this all figured out.
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The verse above has to do with eliminating the current standard of Father, Mother and procreation.

Genesis 37:9 - "And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me."

The Sun represented Joseph's Father, the Moon represented his Mother.

The 'Greater Light/Lesser Light' in Genesis is a foreshadowing of Parenthood.
 
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Six Neutrons, Six Protons, Six Electrons = 666.

The Mark of the Beast has to do with Carbon.

Ezekiel was given a 'Diamond' on his forehead. Diamonds are 666...

Ezekiel 3:9 (Berean Standard Bible) - "I will make your forehead like a diamond, harder than flint. Do not be afraid of them or dismayed at their presence, even though they are a rebellious house.”

Beginning with the Wheels representing Nitrogen, the Vision expands into Carbon and the Mark of the Beast.
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I see you also as some others on this chat are influenced by groups calling themselves Berean. I am very much in doubt as to the inferences made by that group as they seem to have roots with Scofield and Darby and it seems that the speculative inferences for some become fixed in the mind. Some of your statements are seemingly so. And it is also apparent that I have been misled by people on this chat claiming to have interest in prophecy yet none dare put forward any of their ideas regarding this. In that sense this thread may just ride off into the sunset. The parenthood reference seems legit. The atomic structure and DNA and biological factors are probably far fetched. Mark of the beast related to elements seems not to be legit.
 
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【Similar blips have been spotted elsewhere since the Zhejiang UFO incident in 2022】
see the video check out 《-----

You can see seven points of light constantly appearing in the video, as if they were the seven spirits of God.
 
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【Similar blips have been spotted elsewhere since the Zhejiang UFO incident in 2022】
see the video check out 《-----

You can see seven points of light constantly appearing in the video, as if they were the seven spirits of God.
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Many sightings recent decades. Now the U. S. A. official investigations no longer refer to UFO but have a new designation which I don't recall. Some sightings are not conclusively determined and left for speculation. Ezekiel's sightings were seemingly vivid and of close proximity.
 
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I wonder if anyone anymore can say with sincerity "I don't know " .
 
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I wonder if anyone anymore can say with sincerity "I don't know " .
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My opinion is that every Christian should know precisely what the Godhead is, because the explanation is given to us so succinctly.

Just two verses are all that is required to fully understand...

Hebrews 11:3 - "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

The above verse is teaching us that the Word of God is what creates the reality we live in. It is like software generating an image on a computer screen. Moreover, the Word of God is 'invisible' to us. Everything that we see in this Universe is made of something we cannot see. The Word of God is the 'Invisible God'.

Now that we have established the basics, we can move to the next verse...

Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

Again, the 'Invisible Things of Him' is the Word of God that manifests the physical Universe we exist in. Yet, the verse is teaching that the invisible Word of God is somehow 'clearly seen'. Is that a contradiction? No, we see the Word of God through the 'things that are made', i.e., ordinary Matter.

The word 'even' in the above verse is a unique word in the KJV. It is the same as if I were to say, 'in other words'. Thus, the verse would be understood as saying...

"...things that are made, in other words, the Godhead'.

Simply put, the Godhead is what things are made of. This is precisely what the two verses above are teaching, yet for some reason Christians cannot wrap their heads around the profundity of it all. The irony is that the verse ends with the statement 'they are without excuse', as if to say that One must really be ignorant to not know something so simple and basic.
 
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My opinion is that every Christian should know precisely what the Godhead is, because the explanation is given to us so succinctly.

Just two verses are all that is required to fully understand...

Hebrews 11:3 - "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

The above verse is teaching us that the Word of God is what creates the reality we live in. It is like software generating an image on a computer screen. Moreover, the Word of God is 'invisible' to us. Everything that we see in this Universe is made of something we cannot see. The Word of God is the 'Invisible God'.

Now that we have established the basics, we can move to the next verse...

Romans 1:20 - "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

Again, the 'Invisible Things of Him' is the Word of God that manifests the physical Universe we exist in. Yet, the verse is teaching that the invisible Word of God is somehow 'clearly seen'. Is that a contradiction? No, we see the Word of God through the 'things that are made', i.e., ordinary Matter.

The word 'even' in the above verse is a unique word in the KJV. It is the same as if I were to say, 'in other words'. Thus, the verse would be understood as saying...

"...things that are made, in other words, the Godhead'.

Simply put, the Godhead is what things are made of. This is precisely what the two verses above are teaching, yet for some reason Christians cannot wrap their heads around the profundity of it all. The irony is that the verse ends with the statement 'they are without excuse', as if to say that One must really be ignorant to not know something so simple and basic.
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You are sounding like Joeseph Campbell. Particularly when you start with the computer analogy. I know we must have the 'Spirit of God to know the things of God' so it is not unusual to not be able to wrap our heads around Scripture. Rom. 1:20 needs more 'Spirit" than some other verses. Even commentators, Spirit led or not, agree on many verses and seem straight forward. But then some verses must still be 'Spirit' led. That is how I see it.
 
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God set the stars in the heaven for signs of the appointed feasts. Satan corrupts this with "astrology". Still, fact is that the stars, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses and asteroids are given as signs. This is told us repeatedly and consistently throughout both the Old and New Testaments. Why the big attack? Satan doesn't want us to know the times, that is not hypothetical, we are told in Daniel that this is the case.

Likewise, every letter, every word and every phrase in the Bible either in Hebrew or Greek has a numerical equivalent. In John they caught 153 fish at the end of that gospel, the number 153 = the numerical value of the sons of God. Samson pushed out the pillars in Judges causing the temple of Baal to collapse. The numerical value of "pillar" is the same as "the church". Hence Paul tells us in the NT that the church is the pillar of the truth. This is not "numerology". No one is trying to divine some secret message, it is simply that God is more amazing than people realize.
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Grace and Truth Ministries.....Jimmy Brown really gets into this stuff. He has many videos on the web. Almost sure.
 
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