Faith

[Mii]

Err, from what I think you added, was this all for the two posts? Again, not trying to be exasperating.

Emotions are a thing we experience. We feel them. No faith is involved. You are saying that faith is something we can have without experiencing anything. I can say that about anything that may or may not be real. I can say that the man in the moon exists There is no evidence that faith in God exists. The proof is that people say what they think God is or what he told them that completely contradicts others and yet they all say that they have faith in the same god and even use the same holy books.

A believer would most likely tell you that their relationship with God is quite real much like emotions. Whether it is on the same level is probably not accurate.

Consider precognition then. Or even premonitions...those can't be empirically verified AT ALL and yet they exist. There is no proof that they occurred. Or at least the user that experienced them cannot "prove" that they experienced such an event unless they were able to set-up a controlled test and whatever the reason (most likely that no higher spiritual force desires to at present) these type of phenomena are not "proof friendly".

 

[timps]

This is really not a good way to have a conversation even though I appreciate your effort. Basically you assuming the Bible comes from god with little or no evidence and faith is that term that Is nebulous enough that a person can justify Almost belief because it doesn’t require evidence. Talking on the phone would be much better

 

[Mii]

This is really not a good way to have a conversation even though I appreciate your effort. Basically you assuming the Bible comes from god with little or no evidence and faith is that term that Is nebulous enough that a person can justify Almost belief because it doesn’t require evidence. Talking on the phone would be much better

No I totally feel ya on the format. I can PM if you'd like. Forums have their pros and cons for sure. Sometimes I like writing/typing because I can think a little harder on something but it does move "slower" and is more difficult to keep track of when you have a lot of people interacting.

I'm willing to engage your assertion. I don't think it's an assumption but more or less "presuming" based off a lot of factors as far as whether or not scripture is God-breathed. Faith isn't sight (which I mentioned) so I can presume based off a myriad of extraneous and circumstantial evidence but I can't "know" because I do not yet "see" if that makes sense. Which brings me back to faith.


Sometimes a legal way to look at things can be helpful. Like considering a Jury ruling based off pretty loose evidence or conflicting evidence...and then you have a person like me that would want to define the term evidence in the first place

 

[timps]

No I totally feel ya on the format. I can PM if you'd like. Forums have their pros and cons for sure. Sometimes I like writing/typing because I can think a little harder on something but it does move "slower" and is more difficult to keep track of when you have a lot of people interacting.

I'm willing to engage your assertion. I don't think it's an assumption but more or less "presuming" based off a lot of factors as far as whether or not scripture is God-breathed. Faith isn't sight (which I mentioned) so I can presume based off a myriad of extraneous and circumstantial evidence but I can't "know" because I do not yet "see" if that makes sense. Which brings me back to faith.


Sometimes a legal way to look at things can be helpful. Like considering a Jury ruling based off pretty loose evidence or conflicting evidence...and then you have a person like me that would want to define the term evidence in the first place

 

[timps]

A definition of evidence would be helpful. I’m willing to stick with this format because of the advantage that you mentioned of being able to think about the answers given.

 

[calibob]

This is really not a good way to have a conversation even though I appreciate your effort. Basically you assuming the Bible comes from god with little or no evidence and faith is that term that Is nebulous enough that a person can justify Almost belief because it doesn’t require evidence. Talking on the phone would be much better

Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What is faith?

There are different faiths discussed in the scriptures. 1 Corinthians tells us that there is the faith of the natural man, in which the natural man only has faith in mankind and his accomplishments, and, also, the faith of the spiritual man, who has been regenerated, by the grace of God, and has been given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, in which faith is a fruit of. He then can have faith in the things of the Spirit. Faith in spiritual things comes only after the natural man has been regenerated.

 

[timps]

Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Faith is a gift - faith is a work, which is it?
I know the sun will be coming up tomorrow because of repeated experiences. I see it. Faith is belief in things you can’t see.

GOD faith Is a gift.When you say ,Is faith a work because faith Is believing In something without seeing It and Is It faith when I see the sun come up.I would say It’s faith before you see but after you see It,you know so then It no longer has to be wondered about.

Now man faith Is based on one or more of the five senses-hear,see,smell,taste and feel which he would use to function on earth but GOD faith Is a gift from GOD which IMO Is the vehicle so to speak that takes a person to being born,born of the SPIRIT of GOD.

IE.
Picture a physical chair In the middle of a room and someone said sit down.The person would use 1 or more of their 5 senses to look at the chair ,feel the chair to decide a If they want to trust sitting there that’s man faith but let’s say GOD told you to sit In the chair,GOD faith means the person chose to believe without seeing ect....Man without being reborn just would not believe (sit In that chair)without some kind of physical recognition.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

 

[Magenta]

No, my answers are between your lines.

If you are going to do it that way, then you may want to make your answers stand out somehow by using color or bold.

Keep in mind that quoting such a post will not show your responses at all, though

 

[timps]

That’s what the Bible says but you must admit it makes no sense. If you can’t see something or experience it with one of your five senses, then it can’t be evidence but just a wish. If that verse is true, it proves why there are hundreds of beliefs systems and denominations and even many gods in the minds of people around the world. Without evidence, which one would you know is right?

 

[Blain]

What is faith?

To believe in the unseen to have hope where there is none to refuse to bow to uncertainty but it also far more than that.
Faith in itself is not normal, our brains are hardwired to be more prone to reason and logic we have an instinctive nature that helps us to survive we require proof to walk off a ledge reasured that we will be caught upon doing so however faith opposes that and the one who believes walks off the edge without seeing at all any evidence of being caught.
Faith also is not simply in believing in the unseen it also is have believe in a person or yourself, anyone who has ever donee anything great in history had three certain traits- firstly they were in no way normal. Anyone who did anything great was not normal they were seen as odd abnormal or straight out crazy. Second they didn't care what society said or thought of them they walked their own path and dared to do what the norm opposed and third the6y believed in themselves having faith that eventually they would achieve their endeavers they had no real evidence of it but they saw something others didn't a dream a vision and believed in it and themselves.

 

[timps]

GOD faith Is a gift.When you say ,Is faith a work because faith Is believing In something without seeing It and Is It faith when I see the sun come up.I would say It’s faith before you see but after you see It,you know so then It no longer has to be wondered about.

Now man faith Is based on one or more of the five senses-hear,see,smell,taste and feel which he would use to function on earth but GOD faith Is a gift from GOD which IMO Is the vehicle so to speak that takes a person to being born,born of the SPIRIT of GOD.

IE.
Picture a physical chair In the middle of a room and someone said sit down.The person would use 1 or more of their 5 senses to look at the chair ,feel the chair to decide a If they want to trust sitting there that’s man faith but let’s say GOD told you to sit In the chair,GOD faith means the person chose to believe without seeing ect....Man without being reborn just would not believe (sit In that chair)without some kind of physical recognition.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

 

[Magenta]

That’s what the Bible says but you must admit it makes no sense. If you can’t see something or experience it with one of your five senses, then it can’t be evidence but just a wish. If that verse is true, it proves why there are hundreds of beliefs systems and denominations and even many gods in the minds of people around the world. Without evidence, which one would you know is right?

It makes sense if you realize that is a partial descriptor of faith, and as far as I am concerned, regards our hope for the future, since our faith in Jesus Christ is based solidly on historical evidence, as well as personal empirical knowledge/experience.

 

[timps]

To believe in the unseen to have hope where there is none to refuse to bow to uncertainty but it also far more than that.
Faith in itself is not normal, our brains are hardwired to be more prone to reason and logic we have an instinctive nature that helps us to survive we require proof to walk off a ledge reasured that we will be caught upon doing so however faith opposes that and the one who believes walks off the edge without seeing at all any evidence of being caught.
Faith also is not simply in believing in the unseen it also is have believe in a person or yourself, anyone who has ever donee anything great in history had three certain traits- firstly they were in no way normal. Anyone who did anything great was not normal they were seen as odd abnormal or straight out crazy. Second they didn't care what society said or thought of them they walked their own path and dared to do what the norm opposed and third the6y believed in themselves having faith that eventually they would achieve their endeavers they had no real evidence of it but they saw something others didn't a dream a vision and believed in it and themselves.

 

[Mii]

A definition of evidence would be helpful. I’m willing to stick with this format because of the advantage that you mentioned of being able to think about the answers given.

Okie doke. Well just let me know if you want to private message. It may be beneficial for additional interaction, not sure. Also I'm just going to read the thread, you don't have to quote me since I'll be paying more attention than usual. Just @Mii or something and put the post number you are responding to. For example I'm @timps (mentioning you) as well as quoting you. I think almost everyone as quoted you but you don't have to. We'll see if this works ha. So just type your text and then type the @ symbol and without a space just start typing the person's username and select it from a list. @username of whomever you want to respond to. You don't have to press reply as that automatically quotes someone. Just type it in the box at the bottom of the page.

I'll work on my post about evidence and defining the boundaries for discussion and you can decide the boundaries aren't useful or not perhaps?

Oh btw, I have a few things to do but I will most likely give a response and then just mention you. Might be in like 8 hours though apologies.

 

[timps]

Okie doke. Well just let me know if you want to private message. It may be beneficial for additional interaction, not sure. Also I'm just going to read the thread, you don't have to quote me since I'll be paying more attention than usual. Just @Mii or something and put the post number you are responding to. For example I'm @timps (mentioning you) as well as quoting you. I think almost everyone as quoted you but you don't have to. We'll see if this works ha. So just type your text and then type the @ symbol and without a space just start typing the person's username and select it from a list. @username of whomever you want to respond to. You don't have to press reply as that automatically quotes someone. Just type it in the box at the bottom of the page.

I'll work on my post about evidence and defining the boundaries for discussion and you can decide the boundaries aren't useful or not perhaps?

Oh btw, I have a few things to do but I will most likely give a response and then just mention you. Might be in like 8 hours though apologies.

 

[timps]

How about this @Mii

 

[Blain]

There was nothing in this post

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The FAITHFULNESS of Christ is the means by which we are eternally delivered. We do not have spiritual faith until after we have been regenerated, by God's grace, and have been given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, in which spiritual faith is a fruit of. Our spiritual faith, once we have been regenerated, can deliver us many times as we sojourn here on earth. but it is not the means of our eternal salvation (deliverance). Salvation, according to Greek interpretation means "a deliverance".