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ForestGreenCook

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First and foremost faith is a work directly called a "work of faith" or "labor of love". No separation form faith and works. it is all one declaration

Secondly before we were born again we had "no faith" as a froward people(Deuteronomy 32:20) and not little faith but absolutely none.

We are informed in Roman 3 that no one understands, no one seeks after God, or could they unless he first give us the faith that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure. It alone comes from hearing God through his word and therefore person could not seek after him who remains invisible .We are not born with his understanding .Making it impossible that without His faith working in us we could please God .

When in the garden of Eden the object of our unseen faith was given over to the things seen. Mankind was left without any faith , but because God courted the whole creation as in dying death will occur the three avenues (1 John 2:16) of the fathers of lies became the new god.

1 John 2:16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

We are not saved by the imaginations of our own heart as a work of our imagination. Many seem to take that avenue of pride and call it self edification.

Two things to keep in mind. Faith is a work and we born without faith zreo. The moment a person tries to accredit faith coming from their own heart, the seat of their own imagination they fall from the grace that could of been theirs if they would of believed God' word
I think most of what you have said agrees with my statement, except, please tell me what you mean by your statement "they fall from the grace that could of been theirs if they would of believed God's word".
 
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I think most of what you have said agrees with my statement, except, please tell me what you mean by your statement "they fall from the grace that could of been theirs if they would of believed God's word".
Hi thanks for the reply I can try. Sorry for the rambling.

I would think because God reveals himself as of one mind and always doing the good desire of His soul it becomes one of those; "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy" according to his will doctrines. Remembering as Job 23 informs us as it reads....

But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.Job 23:13-14

In that verse; "For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me" It presents our imputed righteousness. I would think the same conclusion is found in Philippians 2:12-13 it reads...

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Philippians 2:12-13

Again in James2:23 he shown fulfilling the scripture by performing that which he appoints to us, as he works in us, with us.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. James2:23

We are informed that the father of lies has been a murderer from the beginning not knowing truth , because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

For like the first murder example. Cain killing his brother Abel in whom God had spoken to affirming the grace of God was working in Abel to both will and provide the kind of sacrifice he offered as Lamb God's design. His brother Cain resisting the faith to offer the right sacrifice insisted in the work of his own hands were sufficient.( No faith in God). God sent Abel with the gospel and His brother who had no faith killed the messenger as in walking by sight after what the eyes see as in out of sight out of mind.

It was not because Abel was a better person but that by grace Abel believed God and was moved to provide the right sacrifice .God having mercy of Abel but not Cain .Cain became a restless wanderer receiving no sabbath that could from hearing God, having denied the faith which was proven by the cry of Abel's blood as the witness God is watching .Cain received no sabbath rest from the hearing the word of God. He was a cursed man Like King Saul 1 Samuel 28:6 marked man as one who has no faith .

One more thing I would share. Earlier in my walk I learned that doubt was not the opposite of faith but unbelief is, or no faith .The accuser of the brethren is he who promotes doubt not knowing the truth

God by faith working in Cain below . Cain said in his heart; there is no God proving to be a fool. God sent Abel with the gospel.

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

In that way Cain fell from the grace that could of been his if he would of believed God's word.he received No mercy. It is why we need His incorruptible seed by which men are born from above .Having the treasure of His authority or power in us but not of us (
2 Corinthians 4:7)

He will call us that does have His seed to repent when we do deny Him .He cannot deny us if he has had mercy on us. mercy triumphs over judgment.


2 Samuel 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Romans 9:18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

It is God who makes our hearts soft receiving his rest.
 

rlm68

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?



For one, it means I have no doubt about who He is and that He is absolutely real.
Secondly, He is my God, my Lord, and my Savior.
Thirdly, when I pray for the lost and sick, I expect God to heal and save them.
Fourthly, I use His NAME to bring healing, to cast out the enemy, to go into spiritual warfare.

In other words, I believe in Christ like I can physically see the back of my own hand. And I utilize Christ every opportunity I can. I speak to Him like He is sitting beside me. I am in constant contact with Him every day I am awarded to live for Him. I know that I know without a shadow of any doubt, Yeshua is my everything!!

Greater is HE that is in me, than he that is in the world!!
 

luigi

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For one, it means I have no doubt about who He is and that He is absolutely real.!
That is good, but so too do the devils have this basic belief.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Secondly, He is my God, my Lord, and my Savior.!
God is love, which means God is your love. Most people have material goods as their love/god.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.




Thirdly, when I pray for the lost and sick, I expect God to heal and save them.!
There is a difference between expecting/hoping God to do something, and knowing/believing God will do something you requested.

James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.



Fourthly, I use His NAME to bring healing, to cast out the enemy, to go into spiritual warfare.!
One does need to be more spiritually inclined to wage war against the god/love of this world.

In other words, I believe in Christ like I can physically see the back of my own hand. And I utilize Christ every opportunity I can. I speak to Him like He is sitting beside me. I am in constant contact with Him every day I am awarded to live for Him. I know that I know without a shadow of any doubt, Yeshua is my everything!!!
If God/Love is your everything, excellent!

Greater is HE that is in me, than he that is in the world!!
Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand your statement to mean is that God who is Love is greater in you, than are Satan's materialistic trappings in the world towards you.
 

rlm68

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That is good, but so too do the devils have this basic belief.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

God is love, which means God is your love. Most people have material goods as their love/god.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.




There is a difference between expecting/hoping God to do something, and knowing/believing God will do something you requested.

James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.



One does need to be more spiritually inclined to wage war against the god/love of this world.

If God/Love is your everything, excellent!

Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand your statement to mean is that God who is Love is greater in you, than are Satan's materialistic trappings in the world towards you.




I am speaking more on the lines of spiritual battle. Yes, God is indeed LOVE, but casting out demonic entities and healing the sick who are afflicted by the enemy is SPIRITUAL WARFARE!! We are not bringing the LOVE of God to battle in the trenches between the Adversary, and what the Adversary has done to God's people. There is absolutely NO LOVE casting out the entity possessing the afflicted. That is a realm where there are 2 specific sides that completely oppose one another. The enemy is trying to KILL and STEAL our victory while we are standing firm in God to defeat the enemy. And when those who are weak cannot battle themselves, it falls upon those who will stand up and become accounted for. And during this conflict, there is no love loss at all!!

This is where your faith can be tested beyond reasoning. But be assured, as real as the enemy is that possess the afflicted, God and His power through His NAME is just as real but greater in power. Therefore: GREATER IS HE in me than he that is in the world!!
 

luigi

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I am speaking more on the lines of spiritual battle. Yes, God is indeed LOVE, but casting out demonic entities and healing the sick who are afflicted by the enemy is SPIRITUAL WARFARE!! We are not bringing the LOVE of God to battle in the trenches between the Adversary, and what the Adversary has done to God's people. There is absolutely NO LOVE casting out the entity possessing the afflicted. That is a realm where there are 2 specific sides that completely oppose one another. The enemy is trying to KILL and STEAL our victory while we are standing firm in God to defeat the enemy. And when those who are weak cannot battle themselves, it falls upon those who will stand up and become accounted for. And during this conflict, there is no love loss at all!!

This is where your faith can be tested beyond reasoning. But be assured, as real as the enemy is that possess the afflicted, God and His power through His NAME is just as real but greater in power. Therefore: GREATER IS HE in me than he that is in the world!!
The two greatest commandments on which hinge all the other commandments are to love God and your neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40).This is spiritual warfare against the devil.
There will be many who will have cast out demons to whom the Lord (love) will declare that He (love) never knew them (Matthew 7:23).
I therefore prefer to show love, in order for Love to know me (1 John 4:16).

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love;
and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
 

rlm68

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The two greatest commandments on which hinge all the other commandments are to love God and your neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40).This is spiritual warfare against the devil.
There will be many who will have cast out demons to whom the Lord (love) will declare that He (love) never knew them (Matthew 7:23).
I therefore prefer to show love, in order for Love to know me (1 John 4:16).

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.





When Yeshua in the Gospels cast out demons, He did it for the love of the human who was possessed, not because He loved the demons who were doing the possessing. I find it difficult for anyone to think there is no love happening for the afflicted. You would not love your neighbor with God's love if you allowed them to remain afflicted!!

I can also find several scripture references to show my point of view like you are with yours. Are you claiming one scripture is suddenly greater than the other due to how you choose to view and use it?
 

luigi

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When Yeshua in the Gospels cast out demons, He did it for the love of the human who was possessed, not because He loved the demons who were doing the possessing. I find it difficult for anyone to think there is no love happening for the afflicted. You would not love your neighbor with God's love if you allowed them to remain afflicted!!

I can also find several scripture references to show my point of view like you are with yours. Are you claiming one scripture is suddenly greater than the other due to how you choose to view and use it?
Yes, Jesus cast out demons because of His love for the individual. Your insinuating that I was claiming otherwise is your own construct.

Your insinuating that I am claiming one scripture above another scripture is another of your constructs.
Scriptures are to corroborate other scriptures, and not contradict.
 

rlm68

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Yes, Jesus cast out demons because of His love for the individual. Your insinuating that I was claiming otherwise is your own construct.

Your insinuating that I am claiming one scripture above another scripture is another of your constructs.
Scriptures are to corroborate other scriptures, and not contradict.


No, I am specifying that although God is LOVE, spiritual battle is not about presenting the love of God, but rather the power of God in victory.

Prime example: Armageddon

The ultimate spiritual battle where God will literally wipe people and the enemy from off the face of the earth. The destruction and mass will be so great the blood will flow to the horse's bridle. The birds will gather and eat the remaining flesh. There is God showing His ultimate wrath upon humanity, not His love...

I suppose according to the situation then, we could agree there is a time and place for God's love for the afflicted and God's wrath against the enemy...
 

luigi

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No, I am specifying that although God is LOVE, spiritual battle is not about presenting the love of God, but rather the power of God in victory.

Prime example: Armageddon

The ultimate spiritual battle where God will literally wipe people and the enemy from off the face of the earth. The destruction and mass will be so great the blood will flow to the horse's bridle. The birds will gather and eat the remaining flesh. There is God showing His ultimate wrath upon humanity, not His love...

I suppose according to the situation then, we could agree there is a time and place for God's love for the afflicted and God's wrath against the enemy...
Yes, I can agree that there is a time and place for God's love for the afflicted, and a later time for God's wrath against the enemy.