Election teaches that salvation comes from the Lord.
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Actually The Bible teaches that. Eph 2:8,9 is one place.
"Election", like "Regeneration" is just another religious buzz word with hundreds of definitions depending on religious paradigm.
The Bible clearly states that if God doesn't DRAW YOU to Christ" - you ain't coming. In my case it was by hHoly SPirit CONVICTION OF SIN which led to surrender, and REPENTANCE, crying out in FAITH from the Holy Spirit to be saved. And then I was.
The ONE THING that Reformed / Calvinist theology actually gets absolutely RIGHT - is that it ALL STARTS WITH GOD. HE moves first.
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I'm relieved God commanded a sharp implement be used (for the metaphor), 'cause tearing it away paints a more disturbing image in my mind - similar to how tearing off a nail is more painful than trimming it off, but times 1000. I agree that both the temple veil and foreskin of the heart do represent tough barriers between us and God's rightful place that He fortunately has (removed) and does remove.
Lol. Like you say, the "uncircumcising" of a heart would take a certain type of Frankenstein-type mentality to even consider, let alone attempt. I don't think God would allow it, although the actions and words of some claiming to be Christians from time to time have left me wondering if it could happen...
I don't think there's anything wrong with having wild-horse type thoughts! Wild horses are so much freer than tamed ones, although probably more dangerous!
Lol. Like you say, the "uncircumcising" of a heart would take a certain type of Frankenstein-type mentality to even consider, let alone attempt. I don't think God would allow it, although the actions and words of some claiming to be Christians from time to time have left me wondering if it could happen...
I don't think there's anything wrong with having wild-horse type thoughts! Wild horses are so much freer than tamed ones, although probably more dangerous!
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“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
You’re looking to the wrong place for a temple he is in His temple
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.”
John 2:19, 21 KJV
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
Psalm 11:4
“But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.”
Habakkuk 2:20 KJV
“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
Hebrews 8:1-2 KJV
“But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
Hebrews 9:11-12
People don’t realize but The earthly temple was never Gods tabernacle but a pattern shown to Moses of the real heavenly things
“who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
Hebrews 8:5 KJV
The true things are not in this world they are those things Jesus told us about regarding his everlasting kingdom not of this world but of the world to come
there’s not going to be a man made temple where God dwells ever he left them and entered heaven in the ot when they worshipped the calf thier tabernacle was just a copy of the real things the temples they built were just patterns of the things Jesus would build in the future
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
You’re looking to the wrong place for a temple he is in His temple
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.”
John 2:19, 21 KJV
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
Psalm 11:4
“But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.”
Habakkuk 2:20 KJV
“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
Hebrews 8:1-2 KJV
“But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
Hebrews 9:11-12
People don’t realize but The earthly temple was never Gods tabernacle but a pattern shown to Moses of the real heavenly things
“who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
Hebrews 8:5 KJV
The true things are not in this world they are those things Jesus told us about regarding his everlasting kingdom not of this world but of the world to come
there’s not going to be a man made temple where God dwells ever he left them and entered heaven in the ot when they worshipped the calf thier tabernacle was just a copy of the real things the temples they built were just patterns of the things Jesus would build in the future
Hey!
Its his script!
Don't ruin his story...
Don't you know?
People want be entertained!
For, sound doctrine many find distasteful!
For the time will come when people will not put up with/tolerate/endure sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of
teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3
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yep ... but what I have found is that 1 Cor 2:14 is mis-used to include even the very basic of truths contained in Scripture.
And when asked, those who mis-use 1 Cor 2:14 will insist that unless a person is born again and has Holy Spirit within, he or she is unable to comprehend In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Gen 1:1) ... or My son, if sinful men entice you, do not give in to them (Prov 1:10).
A lot of people who are not born again believe God created the heavens and the earth.
A lot of people who are not born again believe their children should not hang out with the "bad" kids and join them in their mischief.
There are a lot of historical writings contained in Scripture which do not require a person to be born again in order to understand what is written.
There is a lot of instruction which is wholly beneficial to us in general and which do not require a person to be born again in order to understand.
but some folks insist that natural man cannot understand one single truth in God's Word "because 1 Cor 2:14". The verse is wholly misapplied and the point Paul makes in 1 Cor 2:6-16 is ignored by those who insist 1 Cor 2:14 applies to every single verse in Scripture.
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And when asked, those who mis-use 1 Cor 2:14 will insist that unless a person is born again and has Holy Spirit within, he or she is unable to comprehend In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Gen 1:1) ... or My son, if sinful men entice you, do not give in to them (Prov 1:10).
A lot of people who are not born again believe God created the heavens and the earth.
A lot of people who are not born again believe their children should not hang out with the "bad" kids and join them in their mischief.
There are a lot of historical writings contained in Scripture which do not require a person to be born again in order to understand what is written.
There is a lot of instruction which is wholly beneficial to us in general and which do not require a person to be born again in order to understand.
but some folks insist that natural man cannot understand one single truth in God's Word "because 1 Cor 2:14". The verse is wholly misapplied and the point Paul makes in 1 Cor 2:6-16 is ignored by those who insist 1 Cor 2:14 applies to every single verse in Scripture.
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