Dominion . . ?

[oldethennew]

There is nothing political about recognizing fraud. It is a criminal matter regardless of politics. And Paul said that in the last days "evildoers and seducers" would increase exponentially. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. (2 Tim 3:13)

Everything that the Democrats and the Leftists have done in America for the past four years is based solely on "deceiving and being deceived". And because the media are co-conspirators, they broadcast deception daily.

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Neh, why didn't you say since '2008)??? - nother words, now hub has told me that it is (joe-bama)!!!
those that Love God, are to never put their 'trust' in a mere man, no matter what he identifies himself as!!!
one has to wonder who is worse?;
the pope who has approved sodomy, or the 'left or right' who act the same, one as bad as the other...
brothers & sisters, "the ministry of Truth", (1984), will they 'tell us the Truth'???

 

[pottersclay]

That is the point - are we sent into the world in order to subdue and rule it?
Or to call sinners out of it?

We are to make way for the one who does rule it.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

 

[posthuman]

In Romans 13 what kind of government does Paul speak of? Good or bad government?

he doesn't attach qualitative measure to it. he just says "the governing authorities"

and historically, Nero is the governing authority of Rome at the time he writes this. at the time he says this, there is no nation on earth, no secular governing authority anywhere, that could be an any way shape or form 'christian' -- historically no such governing authority on earth appears until the Holy Roman Empire / Roman imperialism. which, they are all about 'dominionism' and have been for some 1700 years. the LDS and the NAR are newcomers to that game.

all governmental authorities on earth at the time Romans 13 is written are worldly & follow ways antithetical to the kingdom of God. by implication, it seems to me, there is no valid reason to say 'Paul means only *good* governments ((and you get to define 'good')). there's nothing in the text to justify that interpretation, that i see.

 

[posthuman]

We are to make way for the one who does rule it.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Satan is called 'god of this world' and 'prince of the powers of the air' -- it's hard for me to read that and think the church is **supposed to be** ruling the earth right now.

 

[pottersclay]

Satan is called 'god of this world' and 'prince of the powers of the air' -- it's hard for me to read that and think the church is **supposed to be** ruling the earth right now.

Not ruling but preparing for the king to take his righteous throne.
We represent a kingdom that does not rule over. God created the heavens and the earth.
He has the title deed back.

 

[posthuman]

God created the heavens and the earth.
He has the title deed back.

so God lost the title/deed to His creation?
when? how? who can stay His hand? who can withhold from Him? what can anyone give Him?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

he doesn't attach qualitative measure to it. he just says "the governing authorities"

and historically, Nero is the governing authority of Rome at the time he writes this. at the time he says this, there is no nation on earth, no secular governing authority anywhere, that could be an any way shape or form 'christian' -- historically no such governing authority on earth appears until the Holy Roman Empire / Roman imperialism. which, they are all about 'dominionism' and have been for some 1700 years. the LDS and the NAR are newcomers to that game.

all governmental authorities on earth at the time Romans 13 is written are worldly & follow ways antithetical to the kingdom of God. by implication, it seems to me, there is no valid reason to say 'Paul means only *good* governments ((and you get to define 'good')). there's nothing in the text to justify that interpretation, that i see.

"Inasmuch as all rulers are in fact the servants of the public and appointed for no other purpose than to be “a terror to evil-doers and a praise to them that do well” [c.f., Rom. 13:3], whenever this Divine order is inverted – whenever these rulers abuse their sacred trust by unrighteous attempts to injure, oppress, and enslave those very persons from whom alone, under God, their power is derived – does not humanity, does not reason, does not Scripture, call upon the man, the citizen, the Christian of such a community to “stand fast in that liberty wherewith Christ….hath made them free!” [Galatians 5:1] The Apostle enjoins us to “submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake,” but surely a submission to the unrighteous ordinances of unrighteous men, cannot be “for the Lord’s sake,” for “He loveth righteousness and His countenance beholds the things that are just.”

.Ref. Jacob Duche, The Duty of Standing Fast in our Spiritual and Temporal Liberties, A Sermon Preached in Christ Church, July 7, 1775. Before the First Battalion of the City and Liberties of Philadelphia (Philadelphia: James Humphreys, Jr., 1775), pp. 13-14.