DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

[Gideon300]

So does the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus say being unclothed is sin?

If nothing else, it is the civil law in most places. We are required to obey the law of the land. The Bible says that. The Law of the Spirit of life never contradicts God's word. I'm not responding to this subject any more. If you are waiting for someone to tell you it's OK, well you won't hear it from me.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Adam and Eve were not in public view since nobody else was there besides God.

You seem really hung up on this idea of their lack of clothing being evil. You denied saying such but you
have repeated it a number of times in two different threads and now create a whole new thread about it.

Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and lost HIS covering.

The covering they made in their shame to compensate was sadly lacking.

Are you a Christian? Do you attend a Bible believing, Bible teaching assembly? Do you have a church family?

It’s odd huh ? He is making the argument we shouldn’t know the difference in good and evil we should ignore all morality because it’s “ the forbidden knowledge of good and evil “

 

[Magenta]

Jesus Christ is the Light and Life of Men

 

[Beckie]

why do we give this nut case space?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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Asking if the Holy Spirit tells us to be clothed in public has got to be one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard.
Do you expect anyone to take you serious? What is your damage?

it’s about his idea that to know what’s good and what is evil is the wrong thing, we should just ignore the difference between good and evil.

it’s an extreme version of Joseph princes doctrine of forgetting right and wrong that we do and pretending it doesn’t matter. If you want to know why he’s saying it read his last thread and comments in it

 

[RichMan]

If the Spirit or scripture instruct us to be clothed in public why didn't the Spirit or scripture instruct Adam and Eve to be clothed in public in God's most holy presence?

Well, if you decide to go out naked, let me know when and where so I can avoid such foolishness.

 

[Aaron56]

Before the fall, Adam and Eve identified with their Father who was spirit. They understood that they were spirits clothed in flesh.
The fall created an identity connection to their flesh. Instead of it being a vehicle through which man would interact with creation, it became the primary reason for being.

"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate."

This is the manifestation of what John wrote about: "For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world."

So, after they ate this was written:
"Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked."

This was the eyes of their soul. The soul is used to reasonably interact with creation. But a soul properly aligned is in submission to the Spirit of God. Here, in a position of primacy, their souls reckoned themselves to be fleshly creatures who were uncovered. Originally, they were spiritual creatures covered in flesh.

Clothes, now, are a symbol of covering. We wear clothing to demonstrate our need for being covered in the propitiation that God provides and so that we don't loudly squeak when sliding into restaurant booths.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Before the fall, Adam and Eve identified with their Father who was spirit. They understood that they were spirits clothed in flesh.
The fall created an identity connection to their flesh. Instead of it being a vehicle through which man would interact with creation, it became the primary reason for being.

"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate."

This is the manifestation of what John wrote about: "For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world."

So, after they ate this was written:
"Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked."

This was the eyes of their soul. The soul is used to reasonably interact with creation. But a soul properly aligned is in submission to the Spirit of God. Here, in a position of primacy, their souls reckoned themselves to be fleshly creatures who were uncovered. Originally, they were spiritual creatures covered in flesh.

Clothes, now, are a symbol of covering. We wear clothing to demonstrate our need for being covered in the propitiation that God provides and so that we don't loudly squeak when sliding into restaurant booths.

Amen on a practical Level also

the knowledge of good and evil created lust in thier minds where knowledge resides . We wear clothes because it causes us to lust now to look upon nakedness and becomes a temptation.

man wasn’t meant to know good and evil in our mind because it caused this snare and condition in mankind

“For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. …But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:19-21, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we werent supposed to Know evil at all or have that conflict within us of good and evil that’s why the the lord forbid it , the devil encouraged it and we partook

now we need to learn discernment between the two from the gospel and follow the good they were free and fell
Into a trap , we are born in a trap and need to be free

 

[Oblio]

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it’s about his idea that to know what’s good and what is evil is the wrong thing, we should just ignore the difference between good and evil.

it’s an extreme version of Joseph princes doctrine of forgetting right and wrong that we do and pretending it doesn’t matter. If you want to know why he’s saying it read his last thread and comments in it

In that case, it's a doctrine of demons!

 

[Magenta]

Before the fall, Adam and Eve identified with their Father who was spirit. They understood that they were spirits clothed in flesh.

Some people believe that Adam and Eve did not take on a fleshly physical existence until after they sinned, but this overlooks the fact that Adam was formed from the dust of the ground (physical), and Eve was formed from a rib taken from Adam (also physical). The "dust of the ground" contains crucial elements for life on Earth: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur, which comprise more than ninety seven percent of the mass of a human body

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In that case, it's a doctrine of demons!

Which is possibly repeated by a deceived person who needs to hear the truth !

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

 

[Oblio]

I'm nice. If you take advantage of that to mistreat me, I'll be blunt, but truthful. If I act like this, it is because I would rather be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie. I'm treating others the way I want to be treated.
"…5Better an open rebuke than love that is concealed. 6The wounds of a friend are faithful, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."
- Proverbs 27:5,6

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm nice. If you take advantage of that to mistreat me, I'll be blunt, but truthful. If I act like this, it is because I would rather be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie. I'm treating others the way I want to be treated.
"…5Better an open rebuke than love that is concealed. 6The wounds of a friend are faithful, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."
- Proverbs 27:5,6

yes I agree you seem nice and polite and also seem like a faithful Christian who embraces the word

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a battle between deception and truth in this world. Deception leads captive and truth sets free those captives

 

[stilllearning]

If the Spirit or scripture instruct us to be clothed in public why didn't the Spirit or scripture instruct Adam and Eve to be clothed in public in God's most holy presence?

Adam and Eve were created in bodies without sin. I have been on this earth for 50 plus years and wear clothes cause no one should have to see the deterioration of sinful flesh over that age, then be expected to go and try and eat......LOL

 

[Oblio]

The truth will make you miserable, and then it will set you free.

Lord, help me to love those who hate me
Lord, help me to bless those who curse me
Lord, help me to pray for those who mistreat me
Lord, help me to give to those who steal from me

 

[Oblio]

Nice and polite...mean and arrogant...good thing I don't pay too much attention to what people say about me.
I can be kind and I can be mean. I can be humble and I can be arrogant. I am a work in progress.
God is faithful. I hold to a commonwealth of Israel theology.

 

[Diakonos]

If the Spirit or scripture instruct us to be clothed in public why didn't the Spirit or scripture instruct Adam and Eve to be clothed in public in God's most holy presence?

There was no "public" in the garden of Eden; it was just Adam and Eve...who were married.
Nothing wrong with them being naked.

 

[studentoftheword]

Thread Title ---

DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

My answer to that is -----NO ----I don't think so ----it was God the Father -----and it started in Genesis with Adam and Eve -----see scripture below ----

Sin which brings Shame and Guilt instructs us to be clothed in public not God -------The Garden was holy ---it was created by God ---Adam and Ever were holy ----they were naked because they were born of God their hearts and minds were pure and holy ---there was no shame or guilt inbred in them ---just as Baby is born--- it is naked ----there is no shame or guild attached to the babies nakedness as far as the baby is concerned ---the parents cover the Baby's naked body ---

Adam and Eve Sinned ----this affected their hearts and minds creating vulnerability , shame and guilt them and these feelings produced Fear -- ---and fear doesn't come from God ---it comes from Satan who became the god of this world after Adam and eve Sinned ------they tried to cover their shame and guilt with fig leaves ----and God stepped in removed their fig leaves and gave them proper coverings from animal skins ------

So God the Father not the Holy spirit left it necessary to give them proper permanent clothing to live in this Fallen world ------

Genesis 3 says this ----Amp --see verse 10 -----

8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool [afternoon breeze] of the day, so the man and his wife hid and kept themselves hidden from the [d]presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

9 But the Lord God called to Adam, and said to him, “Where are you?”

10 He said, “I heard the sound of You [walking] in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”

11 God said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten [fruit] from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?


I say ---I believe there may be some implication that nakedness is sinful in Scripture in the Old Testament ----


Exodus 20:24-26 NIV ----God the Father speaking here to Moses ----

Idols and Altars

24 “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.

25 If you make an altar of stones for me, do not build it with dressed stones, for you will defile it if you use a tool on it.

26 And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.’



Isaiah 47 NIV ---read verse 3

The Fall of Babylon
47 “Go down, sit in the dust,
Virgin Daughter Babylon;
sit on the ground without a throne,
queen city of the Babylonians.[a]
No more will you be called
tender or delicate.
2 Take millstones and grind flour;
take off your veil.
Lift up your skirts, bare your legs,
and wade through the streams.
3 Your nakedness will be exposed
and your shame uncovered.
I will take vengeance;
I will spare no one.”


I say --So I think God wants His Children to wear clothes in this fallen ---broken --wicked --world -----

Many Worldly people who are away from God will have no shame or guilt in exposing their nakedness to others ---as their hearts and minds are defiled and perverted -----

Satan has them ----

Luke 8:27 ---tells of a man possessed by a demon who lived naked in the tombs ---

 

[Blade]

Gonna be shocked at what we get hung up here that means nothing there. You do notice what your talking about right? Yeah they didn't see this only till they sinned. There eyes were not opened so they could now truly see. You don't see know get close to God by sinning. "My soul will exult in my God; For He has clothed me with garments of salvation, He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland, And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."

Salvation, righteousness... just words huh

 

[NotmebutHim]

Genesis 2:25 says: "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Eating from the tree of knowledge of good & evil and having one's eyes "opened" changed that.