Does the Bible ever say who is elected or chosen?
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I can only find one bible verse that talks about chosen for salvation:
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Even there you can say that the individuals werent chosen for salvation but the path to salvation which is thru sancticfication of the Spirit and belief in the truth.
I can only find one bible verse that talks about chosen for salvation:
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Even there you can say that the individuals werent chosen for salvation but the path to salvation which is thru sancticfication of the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Not even this one? Or do you not see salvation in it either?
From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Not even this one? Or do you not see salvation in it either?
From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
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I mean that calvinists believe people were chosen for no particular reason, but the foreknowledge of God view is that God gave the plan of salvation and chooses those who cooperate with it, who believe the gospel. God knows beforehand who will do what
I mean that calvinists believe people were chosen for no particular reason, but the foreknowledge of God view is that God gave the plan of salvation and chooses those who cooperate with it, who believe the gospel. God knows beforehand who will do what
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In Ephesians 1, Paul is talking about salvation, and how God chose individuals before creation, not just chose the means of salvation, though that is true too:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Eph 1:3-7 NKJV)
Words such as "having predestined us to adoption as sons," "He has made us accepted in the Beloved," and "we have redemption through His blood" speak of both the means of salvation and the individuals who are saved.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Eph 1:3-7 NKJV)
Words such as "having predestined us to adoption as sons," "He has made us accepted in the Beloved," and "we have redemption through His blood" speak of both the means of salvation and the individuals who are saved.
Sorry brother, Ephesians 1 is not about salvation, but Paul is describing the spiritual blessings found in Christ. He’s talking to already saved people who first trusted in Christ. Btw, you need a KJV. The NKJV leaves out the word “according” at the beginning of verse 4 which takes the context back to verse 3.
I wonder how you see Ephesians 1 as not being about salvation. I agree he is addressing people who have already been saved. He is surely reminding them (and us) of the marvels of salvation. Things he mentions, like adoption as God's sons, being made accepted in the Beloved, redemption and the forgiveness of sins, are part and parcel of salvation.
The NKJV doesn't leave out the Greek word translated in the KJV as "according as;" it translates in as "just as."
The NKJV doesn't leave out the Greek word translated in the KJV as "according as;" it translates in as "just as."
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I do not really get how you can call God's will "no particular reason." Also I am aware of what at least one Calvinist here believes and he is adamant that God does not choose people from eternity past according to what they are going to do in the future... he calls that gazing into a crystal ball and decidedly says that it's not what God does. In fact that would be God basing His choice based on merit... when it is not according to what we do but simply God's will, so Scripture really does kind of shoot down that idea, also. So based on that I'm afraid I can't accept your presentation of what it is that you believe Calvinists believe because it seems to be wrong.
Oh I see i kind of mixed the 2 ideas you were presenting together as if you thought they were both calvinist when you were not saying that so i apologize for that. I'm a little distracted by my laptop not connecting to Christian chat which is telling me that Christian chat has expired and it's parked at go daddy and have no idea what go daddy is and i do not have an account there and I'm trying to figure that out. Anyway I kind of disagree with the no particular reason because obviously God has a reason... So if that is indeed the Calvin view that's just another proof that I am not a calvinist.
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