Does God want you to take charge and tell Him what to do?

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Beckie

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You have a rebellious heart, perhaps restless.Try to calm down, try it, and maybe you'll feel differently.:unsure::coffee::giggle:take a time, drink some coffee or tea
Some guy says the devil is just like God.. You say i have a rebellious heart? Coffee thanks
 

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So I'm not actually telling or demanding God Himself do this for me, as I'm not actually speaking to God, but I am more directing his hand by saying what I want done in faith.
And so to my second point, you still have to have faith in the words you just formed and spoke.
Without faith in your own words, they're just empty, idle, inactive, and dead words.
Without God acting on our word, they are, as I said, just inactive, empty, idle, and dead.
WOW some reason i understood a follower of Christ was to have faith in HIM.. This poster has faith in his own words while directing God... this is a guy cults are made of...
Having a life time of Biblical teaching from Sunday School on... i am comfortable and still learning , in the Lord What i ask the powers that be here , the words of know1 are not fitting for a new lamb to be tuning into.
 

know1

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ash so where’s it written that God tells us to take charge and tell him what to do ? I think I missed that part where God obeys mans will
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Ok first, we don't go out of God's will by doing our own, we follow His will by doing what is written, exactly the way it is written. Hense the reason why I observe every word, to the finest of details. If we miss even the smallest of details, then the results will be a failure. And I have had many of those, and some were catastrophic. But I try to learn from my mistakes, get back up, and go at it again, only because I know what I heard the voice tell me, and that I am not wrong. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, or brag in any way, but I know too much to be persuaded otherwise. God has shown and told me too many things in His word for me to believe anything other than what I have been saying. And I can backup everything with scripture, because God showed me.
And as I have been saying, we don't tell God what to do directly, because we are not speaking to God, but in a way, we are indirectly. And again, I say that because, we are not speaking to Him, but simply directing His word, just like Jesus' disciples did, when they cast out devils, healed the sick, raised the dead, and the like.
In a sense, they too were directing the hand of God because, like me, they don't have the ability on their own to even touch a spirit, and even less, to cast one out. And so, I surmised or figured that by doing so, we are in effect telling God what to do, albeit indirectly. That's all.
I wouldn't talk to God that way anyway, because I had an incident where I got mad at an angel, and chewed him out disrespectfully. He told me right then and there that he was not pleased, and let me know that punishment would come within three days. And so, on the third day, I was playing with my children when I got hurt really bad. At the time, I thought I popped or crushed my kidney, because I felt the bar hit my spine from the side. I was in agony for a short while, and then I was okay.
I also had Jesus scream in my ear, actually it sounded like He was right behind me, because I called an anointed man of God, a liar, in my heart. I said it within myself.
And after He was done screaming at me in a language I didn't understand, He then proceeded to speak to me in English, still in an angry tone. It was so loud and clear that I could discerned His voice from others. He corrected me concerning the scripture I used, and thought I knew, by telling me exactly what was written, and what the interpretation was, while stressing or putting emphasis on certain words. He put me in my place that day, and the angel did the same years later, because my attitude was all wrong.
So, I know my place and I'm not going to cross it again, because I don't like getting God or my angel upset with me, as it doesn't go very well for me afterwards.
 

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WOW some reason i understood a follower of Christ was to have faith in HIM.. This poster has faith in his own words while directing God... this is a guy cults are made of...
Having a life time of Biblical teaching from Sunday School on... i am comfortable and still learning , in the Lord What i ask the powers that be here , the words of know1 are not fitting for a new lamb to be tuning into.
Would you mind interpreting Mark 11:23 for me please? Every detail you see and tell me where I missed it.
I don't deal with generalities, but in specifics.
Saying I am what cults are made of, proves nothing. SHOW ME, in scripture, EXACTLY where I missed it, for starters, by using the scripture verses I use to justify my beliefs.
I would rather discuss the word of God, than to cast derogatory insults at someone. The only people you are affecting are the gullible simpletons, and the ignoramuses.
So please, try to PROVE me wrong via the word of God.
 

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Some guy says the devil is just like God.. You say i have a rebellious heart? Coffee thanks
Maybe you don't understand it as deeply as I do. I think anything beyond calm is a rebellion against God's word,so be it.
 

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Would you mind interpreting Mark 11:23 for me please? Every detail you see and tell me where I missed it.
I don't deal with generalities, but in specifics.
Saying I am what cults are made of, proves nothing. SHOW ME, in scripture, EXACTLY where I missed it, for starters, by using the scripture verses I use to justify my beliefs.
I would rather discuss the word of God, than to cast derogatory insults at someone. The only people you are affecting are the gullible simpletons, and the ignoramuses.
So please, try to PROVE me wrong via the word of God.
Your post prove you. I am not speaking generally but very specific . You said you have faith in your words. For me my faith is in Him. Your post are easy to find and they prove who and what you are.


as for Mark 11 :24 no i will not interpret i wlll post in some context
Mar 11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
 

know1

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LOL you are comparing me to a witch interesting... You are in to deliverances YOU? Why ever would i think Christ is our deliver?


2. Those doing witchcraft, voodoo, and the like are the ones who, not only want to control what people think and do, but actually do control what many people think and do. Let's take you for example. They got you to argue against the word of God, even the teachings of Jesus himself.
How about a prayer of deliverance for me? Speak the words i will be delivered right?
I never said you were a witch, because God didn't show me, but controlled by witchcraft.
Wrong. Only a fool would try to cast something out of a person who enjoys the way they are. Besides, first, you don't see anything wrong with your beliefs and attitude, and second, I would only cast things out being face to face with the person.
 

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I never said you were a witch, because God didn't show me, but controlled by witchcraft.
Wrong. Only a fool would try to cast something out of a person who enjoys the way they are. Besides, first, you don't see anything wrong with your beliefs and attitude, and second, I would only cast things out being face to face with the person.
I did not say you said i was a witch. are you purposefully trying to be misleading?
Again misleading i have not argued against the Word of God .. I have posted against you.
 

know1

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Amen supplication is key

“Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

certainly not demanding or from an entitled position
That is one form, of course, I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm not denying that we should pray to God according to what is written. Only the misinformed or dim witted would think I said otherwise.
 

know1

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I did not say you said i was a witch. are you purposefully trying to be misleading?
Again misleading i have not argued against the Word of God .. I have posted against you.
"you are comparing me to a witch interesting"
To me, the way I interpreted your words, you basically were saying that I called you a witch.
Well I hate to put it this way, but by posting against me, you are posting against the word of God, because I'm just repeating what Jesus said. So in my opinion, you are not fighting me, but against God.
I ask again, would you interpret Mk 11:23 for me please? I'm only saying what is written in that verse and many others like it.
Are you afraid of the truth? Why can't you just interpret a simple verse for me? It is written in plain easy to understand English.
 

Beckie

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"you are comparing me to a witch interesting"
To me, the way I interpreted your words, you basically were saying that I called you a witch.
Well I hate to put it this way, but by posting against me, you are posting against the word of God, because I'm just repeating what Jesus said. So in my opinion, you are not fighting me, but against God.
I ask again, would you interpret Mk 11:23 for me please? I'm only saying what is written in that verse and many others like it.
Are you afraid of the truth? Why can't you just interpret a simple verse for me? It is written in plain easy to understand English.
The Whole of His Word is Truth. .I do not interpret Scripture God says what He says . It is written in plain easy to understand English and i posted it didn't I ?
Apparently you interpret my words as you do the Scripture unknowingly . You are not the Word of God you are a sinner as in all mankind' Why if you are just repeating what Jesus said are you asking me to interpret them? I repeated His words.
The highlighted words above are evidence again of your cultism.
 

know1

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Sometimes if you disagree with someone’s thought they express it’s witchcraft
No, not if you disagree with someone, but if you disagree with the word of God or that which is so plainly said/written that even a toddler can understand it.
When someone perverts what is said and/or written, belittles, mocks, and the like, and has pleasure in doing so, is in my opinion, demonic, to say the least.
Why won't any of you interpret what is written? Could it be that you can't handle the truth, because you are not of the truth?
I don't know, but I certainly do suspect that.
Again, it is written, "... that whosoever shall speak or say unto..., and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith.
 

Cameron143

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No, not if you disagree with someone, but if you disagree with the word of God or that which is so plainly said/written that even a toddler can understand it.
When someone perverts what is said and/or written, belittles, mocks, and the like, and has pleasure in doing so, is in my opinion, demonic, to say the least.
Why won't any of you interpret what is written? Could it be that you can't handle the truth, because you are not of the truth?
I don't know, but I certainly do suspect that.
Again, it is written, "... that whosoever shall speak or say unto..., and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith.
I believe the difference is because there is alot written throughout the Bible concerning prayer.
If the verses you cite were the totality of what God has written concerning prayer, we might all believe as you. But the Bible, of course, has much more to say concerning prayer. To believe as you do, you must ignore other portions of scripture.
Perhaps it would prove helpful if you could write out a prayer that you might pray. This way, we can compare your prayer with the scripture and see how it compares.
 

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The Whole of His Word is Truth. .I do not interpret Scripture God says what He says . It is written in plain easy to understand English and i posted it didn't I ?
Apparently you interpret my words as you do the Scripture unknowingly . You are not the Word of God you are a sinner as in all mankind' Why if you are just repeating what Jesus said are you asking me to interpret them? I repeated His words.
The highlighted words above are evidence again of your cultism.
Those who are of the truth would NOT be dodging and deflecting from God's word, as you have been doing.
It is written,
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

If you can't face the simple truth of God's word, and you hate said truth concerning, words of faith, and you hate me, then you cannot be of God. Which means you have a spirit in you, preventing you from even acknowledging the truth that is right before your eyes.
It's very simple, you just say with your mouth what you believe in your heart. That's all word of faith is, in its simplest form.
But you can't receive that, because that spirit in you, won't let you.
Which means you are or have been in some serious sin, or you are a tare among the wheat. Possibly a witch posing to be a Christian.
Not even having a form of godliness, but certainly, denying the power thereof.
Amazing, you can't even interpret scripture you claim to believe, even refusing to do so.
That's a sad state to be in.
 

know1

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I believe the difference is because there is alot written throughout the Bible concerning prayer.
If the verses you cite were the totality of what God has written concerning prayer, we might all believe as you. But the Bible, of course, has much more to say concerning prayer. To believe as you do, you must ignore other portions of scripture.
Perhaps it would prove helpful if you could write out a prayer that you might pray. This way, we can compare your prayer with the scripture and see how it compares.
I can do that, but not tonight, it's getting late. I will do that sometime tomorrow.
 

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Those who are of the truth would NOT be dodging and deflecting from God's word, as you have been doing.
It is written,
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

If you can't face the simple truth of God's word, and you hate said truth concerning, words of faith, and you hate me, then you cannot be of God. Which means you have a spirit in you, preventing you from even acknowledging the truth that is right before your eyes.
It's very simple, you just say with your mouth what you believe in your heart. That's all word of faith is, in its simplest form.
But you can't receive that, because that spirit in you, won't let you.
Which means you are or have been in some serious sin, or you are a tare among the wheat. Possibly a witch posing to be a Christian.
Not even having a form of godliness, but certainly, denying the power thereof.
Amazing, you can't even interpret scripture you claim to believe, even refusing to do so.
That's a sad state to be in.
you are nuts and so misguided . Go clear out a hospital . Walk in the sun and allowing your shadow to bring on God's healing. I will not be giving you a platform to to preach your self important faith in YOUR WORDS and the devil is just like God . Get some help from a Godly man. Please before all hope is lost. Show me one post where i have denied the power of God. Been a very interesting chat I am thankful to know i am child of God.
 

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I think we need to call this stuff exactly what it is: occult magic. It's certainly not Christianity, even though it wears a Christian mantle. People who follow this teaching don't pray to the Father in Jesus' name, they make "prayer declarations," which is nothing more than magic incantations.

Back in 2019, Kat Kerr declared that hurricane Dorian should move east and not hit the US. Of course Dorian didn't get the message. Kerr makes trips to heaven virtually every day and meets with heavenly beings. Anyone ever hear of astral projection? This is what Kerr practices. She's an occultist plain and simple; and not even a very good one at that.


And how could anyone forget Kenneth Copeland declaring COVID done and over in March 2020.


When it didn't work, he returned in December with another COVID rebuke.


This is occultism plain and simple. People who practice this stuff aren't Christian false prophets; they're not Christians at all, but are occultists in a Christian wrapper.
 

ResidentAlien

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Notice in Copeland's second clip he calls to the "atmosphere." It's not difficult to figure out who he's calling upon.